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Are the Taliban the right choice for Afghanistan?

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Why is it that virtually every Afghan that I've ever discussed this issue with feel the Taliban were an oppressive and abusive regime, but all the Westernized Muslim adolescent males hold them up to be the pinnacle of virtue? I think this also goes back to another thread on this forum about radicalism amongst Muslim youth in the West.
 
salamualikum.
people can we like talk in a poliet manner please inshallah, where not going to get nowhere if your gonna acusse one another of liers hence stop piking on brother 'Mahdi..', it will be great if you can bring forward 'evidence' if not then inshallah just briefly some up your saying && then say 'opinion' next to it then so we know it's what you think && there's no evidence because am getting confused here :embarrassfear your lord people
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Keltoi said:
Why is it that virtually every Afghan that I've ever discussed this issue with feel the Taliban were an oppressive and abusive regime, but all the Westernized Muslim adolescent males hold them up to be the pinnacle of virtue? I think this also goes back to another thread on this forum about radicalism amongst Muslim youth in the West.
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Lol This is funny i Am An Afghan yet i am not a young male that is Westernized, so what does this make me?
 
yes keltoi, I am afghan....an afghan who cares about my religion as well as my homeland...
 
al_imaan_786 said:
yes keltoi, I am afghan....an afghan who cares about my religion as well as my homeland...
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I understand. It would seem some people will defend any group or any action as long as it is supposedly done in the name of Islam.
 
mahdisoldier19 said:
What Actions? What have the Taliban done wrong to this world? Who have they harmed? Which Nation did they attack? 9/11 was even suspected to be done by OBL, Suspected remember with no evidence except for a Videotape, in which that Videotape was clearly rebutted by those who have seen it and met with OBL.

The taliban even offered OBL to the US government in an ISLAMIC Court provided that the USA bring evidence, yet they ordered the Taliban to offer OBL. The taliban never attacked anyone, they condemned the attacks of 9/11, who did they attack? If you know your politics of the United Nations, No Government is allowed to attack a State Government provided that there is no Terrorists groups running the State Government. Taliban did not have anything to do with Al Qaeda, they're is no such thing as Al Qaeda. It is Just Arab Mujahideen and a few other incriments of Different brothers from other parts of the world, that united to create a Global Islamic front to Establish Sharia.
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When the Taliban were content to blow up a few Budhist statues, suppress a few million Afghani women, stone a few alleged adulterers and saw off a few hands in the soccer stadium....ehhh...big deal.

When they conspired to ally themselves with the nihilist, Al Quaeda international murderers, they committed a very serious strategic error. Oh well. Too bad for the Taliban. Their main problem is they were born in the wrong century..or better, the wrong millenium.
 
al_imaan_786 said:
your just sayin that to make urself happy....in this case...the talibans r the oppressor and the afghans are being oppressed.
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Yep we all got it. Taliban's are the oppressors and Bush and theire allies (current gov) are the liberators.:rolleyes:

Anyway brother Mahdisoldier19. What happened to all the oppressorss before taliban?
 
Skillganon said:
Yep we all got it. Taliban's are the oppressors and Bush and theire allies (current gov) are the liberators.:rolleyes:

Anyway brother Mahdisoldier19. What happened to all the oppressorss before taliban?
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I don't think she said anything about Bush, she stated her opinion as an Afghan on the Taliban regime. Think about this honestly. Would you have rather lived in Afghanistan under the Taliban or Great Britain? Do try to answer truthfully.
 
Keltoi said:
I don't think she said anything about Bush, she stated her opinion as an Afghan on the Taliban regime. Think about this honestly. Would you have rather lived in Afghanistan under the Taliban or Great Britain? Do try to answer truthfully.
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It's her opinion and not neccessarily right.

I mean someone might even say that the rightly guided caliphate was oppressive for implementing shariah.
Secondly I really do not take everything from the new's or some muslims say about each other.

Secondly she is glad that the allied has got rid of Taliban or anyone fighting for Islam and implementing Shariah. You might of tell me your are glad of the western goverment is killing muslims in other worlds, (and don't say it is different.)

It is not good to take glee in seeing a group that she may have "think" oppressive, but was actually trying to implement Islam.

For seeing a supposedly a group that is oppressive fail by taking the way of debelief is not actually being a genious in sight of Allah(sw.t).

First she has to establish it from the Quran and the sunnah. All the action against the taliban and all the methods they implement they use against them.

It's like embracing debelief to see a group that "they think" is oppressive. e.g. It's like the way media potrays Hijaab as oppressive.

Muslim are rather required to support the believers than the desbelievers, and no amount of saying I am an afghani can help.

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Next strategically it is stupid to make Afghan as another kuffar client regime.

So I support the taliban, or anyone who is sincere and are trying to fight for Islam in afghan even though the desbelievers will label them with name's that supports their interest.

I frankly find any muslims who support the desbelievers and their cohorts lacking in intellect and short sighted.
 
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Skillganon said:
It's her opinion and not neccessarily right.

I mean someone might even say that the rightly guided caliphate was oppressive for implementing shariah.
Secondly I really do not take everything from the new's or some muslims say about each other.

Secondly she is glad that the allied has got rid of Taliban or anyone fighting for Islam and implementing Shariah. You might of tell me your are glad of the western goverment is killing muslims in other worlds, (and don't say it is different.)

It is not good to take glee in seeing a group that she may have "think" oppressive, but was actually trying to implement Islam.

For seeing a supposedly a group that is oppressive fail by taking the way of debelief is not actually being a genious in sight of Allah(sw.t).

First she has to establish it from the Quran and the sunnah. All the action against the taliban and all the methods they implement they use against them.

It's like embracing debelief to see a group that "they think" is oppressive. e.g. It's like the way media potrays Hijaab as oppressive.

Muslim are rather required to support the believers than the desbelievers, and no amount of saying I am an afghani can help.
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What makes your opinion more valuable than hers?
 
Skillganon said:
Yep we all got it. Taliban's are the oppressors and Bush and theire allies (current gov) are the liberators.:rolleyes:

Anyway brother Mahdisoldier19. What happened to all the oppressorss before taliban?
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ur saying it as if im glad that Americans are in Afghanistan rite now....im not....look at all the salons they have opened and all the women are worrying about how they look in public....the afghans use their freedom wrongly...but torture isnt any better than wats going on now...the people in Afghanistan today prefer what is going on now with all the freedom than being tortured by the Taliban....but i dont accept any of them....afghans should be governed by the correct form of shariah, which excludes abusive acts and is not associated with any cultural beliefs...
 
al_imaan_786 said:
ur saying it as if im glad that Americans are in Afghanistan rite now....im not....look at all the salons they have opened and all the women are worrying about how they look in public....the afghans use their freedom wrongly...but torture isnt any better than wats going on now...the people in Afghanistan today prefer what is going on now with all the freedom than being tortured by the Taliban....but i dont accept any of them....afghans should be governed by the correct form of shariah, which excludes abusive acts and is not associated with any cultural beliefs...
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You should be careful of all the information that comes out. I can make a monkey jump hoops and make these people believe it was a talibans.

Let's give a name to a new group (does not hold to mistakes of talibans) because it has been tarnished.
Let's call it "The muslim who believe in Islam" they srive for Islam. They fight the american allied troops out of afghan as they are commanded by Allah(s.w.t) they try to establish a shariah based rule as they are commanded.

What you will naturally expect again is the same words, they are oppressive, they are extremist. You will hear story of this group bombing innocent people e.t.c if they can somehow arrange it or get away with the story e.t.c
(Do you know why? Because I will do the same thing if I was a them, it is a good strategy)


Sis one cannot expect a shariah rule to be implemented straight away without hurdles and misshaps on the way or some mistake.

I apologies if I made you seem the other way, but strategically it's a big mistake and the kafiroon, will use it to it's advantage. You can see the result now. They are laughing at your face, and they only needed to use your voice to justify it.
 
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al_imaan_786 said:
ur saying it as if im glad that Americans are in Afghanistan rite now....im not....look at all the salons they have opened and all the women are worrying about how they look in public....the afghans use their freedom wrongly...but torture isnt any better than wats going on now...the people in Afghanistan today prefer what is going on now with all the freedom than being tortured by the Taliban....but i dont accept any of them....afghans should be governed by the correct form of shariah, which excludes abusive acts and is not associated with any cultural beliefs...
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What People? Find me these people, And please do not bring up Kabul or any Northern Areas of Afghanistan. The land of the Northern Alliance and the land of Munafiqeen.

And what is the correct form of Shariah may i ask you? Are you a Scholar? No, Do you know any Scholars that support the Taliban? If Not, Ive heard of 3 of them in Infact LEGITMATE Scholars who support the Taliban.

Sheikh. Hamud Ibn Uqla Ash-Shu”aybi
Sheikh. Sulayam Ibn Nasir Al-Ulwan
Sheikh. Ali Ibn Khudhayr Al-Khudhayr

Who all Issued Fatwas Regarding That they established True Sharia.
 
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al_imaan_786 said:
yes keltoi, I am afghan....an afghan who cares about my religion as well as my homeland...
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As was mentioned before if under the Taliban you lived, you would not be speaking to us because since your a women, the Taliban felt it was against islam or there way of life for you to learn how to write. They just wanted you like a robot who would take commands
 
lavikor201 said:
As was mentioned before if under the Taliban you lived, you would not be speaking to us because since your a women, the Taliban felt it was against islam or there way of life for you to learn how to write. They just wanted you like a robot who would take commands
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I know plenty of people who have relatives who are female that were being education and teaching in certain medical areas in Southern Afghanistan. Your Claim is Completely False.
 
mahdisoldier19 said:
I know plenty of people who have relatives who are female that were being education and teaching in certain medical areas in Southern Afghanistan. Your Claim is Completely False.
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no...his clam is not completely false...is this why they burned down the schools and later pages of the Quran were found....did the Prophet(saw) force people to become muslim or follow the religion?....everything that the Taliban did was by force...
 
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al_imaan_786 said:
no...his clam is not completely false...is this why they burned down the schools and later pages of the Quran were found....did the Prophet(saw) force people to become muslim or follow the religion?....everything that the Taliban did was by force...
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learn your deen sister,

go ask a scholar of hanafi fiqh, is it permissable to force a women to cover herself?

you will find the answer is yes,

is it permissable to force men to pray in jammat or place them under house arrest?

you will find the answer is yes according to hanafi fiqh,

ask it is allowable to force cinemas to close and stop the selling of haram items or items used for haram and you will find the answer is yes.

yes the taliban were a little harsh sometimes where necessary, but check your facts before accusing them of not following shariah.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
 
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