Should the Taliban....???

[Dawud_uk]

:salamext:

assalaamu alaykum brother,

you are very blinded and unfortunetely you are now just arguing from a position of ignorance of the facts.

not even the enemies of the taliban make the allegations you do, the taliban dismantled the road blocks, and the only allegations of rape against them is when they took some women as slaves after executing their men folk for rebelling against the islamic state and if you accuse them of rape for that you are accuse the sahabah also.

the taliban rose to destroy the warlords, all over afghanistan they moved to destroy those who fought over and destroyed their nation and one of these was ahmad shah masood. yet he was by far not the worst hence why he was offered peace so often but yet he refused.

so yes the killing of ahmad shah masood was justified, the means is a matter of debate but his killing was justified totally and i have no issue with it.

brother, you havent seemed to have read even the posts here nevermind done a more extensive search before trying to debate and as such i will not entertain you any longer by debating with you when you have no intention of even looking up the most basic facts for yourself and looking into this issue.

may Allah swt guide which ever of us is incorrect and keep us all upon the straight path, ameen!

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

 

[MTAFFI]

interesting poll results

 

[Hijrah]

Hijra, you wrote:


Oh, if everyone had your mindset than there would be no "truth" or "fact" left in this entire universe.

Hello al_imaan_786, you wrote:


I assume there were females who were on their side, and what did they do other than not let them go to school to learn how to read or write? The Taliban ran a gender apartheid.

Therfore, if you were living under the Taliban, as a female, you couldn't post here because you would have been not aloud to learn basic qualities of life, only because of your gender.

Hello dawud_uk, you wrote:


Really, does Islam teach that? If so, you have explained a lot.

buddy, i was being sarcasticmg:

 

[Erundur]

assalaamu alaykum brother,

may Allah swt guide which ever of us is incorrect and keep us all upon the straight path, ameen!

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

:salamext:

We both agree to disagree.

 

[Skillganon]

May Allah(s.wt) make us successful agianst from the open enemy to him and save us from the evil that comes from us. May Allah(s.w.t) make us successful against them and be victorious with our "effort", Ameen,
Astigfirullah if I made any mistake.

 

[Al_Imaan]

Originally Posted by Dawud_uk
assalaamu alaykum sister,

ahmad shah masood was undoubtably a brave and cunning commander but one who was killed legitimately, he was offered peace numerous times by the taliban but kept refusing.

:salamext:
The Taliban wanted power...They asked Ahmad Shah Massoud for control over the Afghan troops, government positions, etc., Massoud refused cuz he couldn't just give away what belong to the government. An example of how the Taliban tried to take over Afghanistan is if a person invades your house by the name of the shariah' and controls everything you do, I'm sure no one would like that....They(meaning the afghan channel) were showing 2 women wearing a burqah in a store and one of the Talib's was beating them up in public....They also allowed many of the older women to tell their experiences under the Taliban rule, which was not a pleasant tale.

And I almost forgot, they showed one of the Taliban leaders in an interview with an Afghan host. The Talib had statues and other artifacts brought from Afghanistan. I thought they said that it was haram to keep statues, that's why they blew up the Buddha in Bamiyan....(Maybe he's opening a museum:rollseyes)....when he was asked why he kept the statues and the Buddha statue was brought up, the Talib replied, "It's not like it belongs to your dad, so why do you care?....... If I don't keep them, who will?" (Excuses)

 

[Dawud_uk]

:salamext:
The Taliban wanted power...They asked Ahmad Shah Massoud for control over the Afghan troops, government positions, etc., Massoud refused cuz he couldn't just give away what belong to the government. An example of how the Taliban tried to take over Afghanistan is if a person invades your house by the name of the shariah' and controls everything you do, I'm sure no one would like that....They(meaning the afghan channel) were showing 2 women wearing a burqah in a store and one of the Talib's was beating them up in public....They also allowed many of the older women to tell their experiences under the Taliban rule, which was not a pleasant tale.

And I almost forgot, they showed one of the Taliban leaders in an interview with an Afghan host. The Talib had statues and other artifacts brought from Afghanistan. I thought they said that it was haram to keep statues, that's why they blew up the Buddha in Bamiyan....(Maybe he's opening a museum:rollseyes)....when he was asked why he kept the statues and the Buddha statue was brought up, the Talib replied, "It's not like it belongs to your dad, so why do you care?....... If I don't keep them, who will?" (Excuses)

assalaamu alaykum sister,

one talib goes a bit wrong and keeps a statue and you blame the whole movement? what about the thousands raped by the militia of ahmad shah masood?

why do you even call them a government army? does a militia become an army just because it now puts on a uniform one day? seems they are just the same as the afghan army today, both are responsible for setting up road blocks and robbing passerby, once this becomes common worse crimes at the road blocks and in towns and cities will be committed as they have been doing and before you know it even the non taliban afghanis will be calling for them to return and bring back shariah.

look, examine your deen in more depth, and not from the wishy washy scholars being promoted in america, i mean the real deen as taught by the companions of the prophet Muhammad saws, examine those religious movements throughout islamic history and you will see that none of them were perfect, all make mistakes.

yet the overall movement was correct in its aims, and some of them succeeded and some failed. insha'allah this one will succeed because it is certain they will not stop fighting until they do.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

 

[hayaa__786]

I was thinking that many people are happy that the Taliban were driven out of Afghanistan while many other think the Taliban can bring peace there.
I'm Afghan-American and from my point of view, I'm happy that the Taliban are no longer there. The afghans went through enough torture.

What does everyone here think?

tat is so true sister.. i know wat u mean... n i love u...

 

[Al_Imaan]

Dawud_uk
what about the thousands raped by the militia of ahmad shah masood?

proof?

yet the overall movement was correct in its aims, and some of them succeeded and some failed. insha'allah this one will succeed because it is certain they will not stop fighting until they do.

Allah doesn't let the dhalim succeed.

hayaa__786
tat is so true sister.. i know wat u mean... n i love u...

what a place to say it (u could have called me up), lol....i luv u too

 

[Skillganon]

Allah doesn't let the dhalim succeed

Assalamu alaikum sis and other brothers and sisters.

As a note:
First success & failure is decided by Allah(s.w.t), wheter they are dhalil or not.
Secondly how may battle the believers have failed? they have failed and succeeded throughtout Islamic History even during the prophet time. Victory and Failure is evident in the Quran, this is something that is decided by Allah(s.w.t).
The difference between a believer failing and those who desbelieve is one is in the hell fire and the other is in Heaven regardless of them failing and thus dying.

Secondly one must note that one cannot support and give alliance to something that is contradictory Islam especially when it is apparent. This should be a reason enough to oppose it unless I got it wrong and one wan't to tell me that afghanistan is the land of mushrikoon and should be ruled by as such.

 

[Akil]

The Taliban ruthlessly murder fellow Muslims who disagree with their politics and their fake sharia even today. I am sad for Islam that so many seem to believe these butchers should pickup their brutal repression and domination of Afghanistan where they left off.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

The Taliban ruthlessly murder fellow Muslims who disagree with their politics and their fake sharia even today. I am sad for Islam that so many seem to believe these butchers should pickup their brutal repression and domination of Afghanistan where they left off.

im sorry but ive heard a lot about them and i really dont think thats true. Some evidence might change my mind..

 

[Akil]

Any “evidence” I give you over the internet can be easily dismissed as information from biased sources. What I know I know from people on the ground.

How teachers and students and anyone who is from or influenced by the west or doesn’t believe in the convoluted ideology of the Taliban is under siege and threat of death regardless of whether or not they are Muslim, especially in the outlaying areas not controlled by the US or the Afghani forces.

The Taliban (what is left of it) are thugs masking themselves with a pseudo-Islamic ideology. Divide and dominate, propagate ignorance and poverty and no one will have the means to resist you, survival of the fittest, that is what lies in the core beliefs of this so called Muslim group.

 

[Al_Imaan]

im sorry but ive heard a lot about them and i really dont think thats true. Some evidence might change my mind..

what evidence would that be that can change your mind?...

 

[Erundur]

Secondly one must note that one cannot support and give alliance to something that is contradictory Islam especially when it is apparent.

:salamext:

Agreed, so I do not give alliance to the Talibs nor do I give alliance to the current government.

 

[Al_Imaan]

^^I agree.

 

[guyabano]

Are the Taliban the right choice for Afghanistan ?

Definetely NO

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

I hate propaganda! this is definitly the right thread to make this statement in!

 

[mahdisoldier19]

I was thinking that many people are happy that the Taliban were driven out of Afghanistan while many other think the Taliban can bring peace there.
I'm Afghan-American and from my point of view, I'm happy that the Taliban are no longer there. The afghans went through enough torture.

What does everyone here think?

You talk like you knew sister the situation of Afghanistan before the Taliban had arrived. I apologize brothers and sisters for being so late. For those of you on this board who bashed against my brothers and sisters who defended the Taliban, Bring your proof against me. I have lived in Afghanistan, i have seen the Areas before and after the Taliban.

Now lets see how you people fair against Someone who has been there.

First of All, The Taliban were the only government of this current time period to Execute TRUE Sharia based on the Quran and the Sunnah.

For the Keltoi person who worried about the Historical Treasures. The taliban repeatedly ask the Entire World for Aid, for you people to preserve their statues. Yet no country cared. Then Mullah Muhammad Omar Amir Al Mumineen Decided that these statues are Idiolatry and should be destroyed. And btw it was Saudi Arab and UAE engineers who helped destroy them.

Also for those who claim about that Ahmed Shah Masood was a Lion, May Allah swt guide you to the right path or May He Punish you severely for such a Blasphemous statement. He was a commander who sought money and help from Europe against the Sharia of Allah swt. Anyone who engages Muslims who are attempting to Establish Sharia, should be dealt with Appropriately.

And the brother who confused Ahmed Shah Masood with Dostum, And the sister who asked for Proof. My relatives were butchered under Dostums commands who led an alliance with Ahmed Shah Masood. I know Plenty and accounted many of Dostums soldiers who stated that they were ordered to rape the women and children so that they would be embarrassed and leave the land to neighboring Pakistan so the Northern Alliance can gain territory. And the Northern Alliance butchery of over 5,000 Taliban.

Back to the Statues, dont worry Keltoi im not finished with you yet. Do you care about the children of Afghanistan? No obviously not since your concerned about the statues. Look at what happened currently in Iraq, all the treasures of Baghdad lost, WHERE IS THE WORLD OUTCRY? Yet when statues are destroyed in Afghanistan, the world condemns a group for executing a group of Muslims establishing Allah swt deen.

No Brother or sister or Non-Muslims On this Board has the RIGHT or the AUDACITY to Bash or Disrespect the Taliban especially the ones that have never entered Afghanistan.

Many afghans were upset over the Invasion of Afghanistan, You think the Afghans are happy of the USA? The thousands of women and children killed because of USA Bombing that is ok? What about when the USA sent missiles to Afghanistan in 1998 that killed 19 women and children? The taliban did not attack. 1 Mumeen is worth more to me than All of the kafirs in this world.

And some say this is the punishment of Allah swt against the Taliban, La Illah a Ilallah wa Muhammadu Rasoolilah, Because of this war. The taliban now have been cleansed of their false members and now Al Hamdulillah because of this war the taliban have now realized who are true to establishing the Deen.

Where are those who bash the Taliban? Where are you hiding? Do not think you can hasten your attacks against the Taliban, Now you will recieve JUST Answers that are the truth.

Yes, A women was shot in the Soccer Stadium. Why? For killing her husband and sleeping with her son.

Yes, women were beaten in public, only a few instances and that is where women did not take specific precautions for completely clothing themselves.
Yet when one talib executes a law the kafirs and some muslims blame the Taliban? What is this? When a NYPD Officer shoots a man 50 times, Does the world know and blame the Whole United States Police force?

Yes, The Sharia of Afghanistan was set in Afghanistan. Perhaps it wasnt technologically developed, why? Because only 3 nations recognized the Taliban, and the rest of the world did not care about the women children and men butchered before the taliban had arrived. They had no money from the world, they put their trust in Allah swt. And in that trust, suddenly education started to appear for BOTH WOMEN AND MEN AND GIRLS AND BOYS, those of who say it wasnt for women BRING YOUR EVIDENCE, MY relatives who are females were being taught AND TEACHING. The taliban are not against education, they only want Sharia Education


Do Any of you people know what Afghanistan was like before the Taliban?

I kid you not, but those of you who say the Taliban are wrong for Afghanistan, May Allah swt guide you to the right path or send you to Hellfire because that is your eternal home for rejecting the Command of Allah swt to establish Sharia.

Salam Alaikam Rahmatullah Wabaraktu

And btw to any brother or sister or Kafir on this board who bash the Taliban, Ask me anything and i will refute your claims.

 

[SilentObserver]

The Taliban were oppressive and it is good that they are no longer in power. Now the only thing preventing the country from seeing things get better faster is the Taliban.