Should the Taliban....???

[Keltoi]

Regardless of "why" the woman was executed in a soccer stadium by an AK-47 to the back of the head, in front of her children, I would hope any civilized human being would denounce this as inhuman.

 

[Al_Imaan]

so this young couple ran away together, but the two tribes being on good terms didnt fall out over it but just went in search of them and found them together in a deralict house nearby and dragged them to the qadi (islamic judge who was a talib) and asked that they be flogged for zina.

the judge asked for their witnesses, saying they needed four witnesses. they said they had over 50 witnesses who had seen them together in the disused house.

the qadi was amazed, and said 'you have over fifty witnesses that saw the pen go in the ink well?'

at this point i think the two tribes elders should have realised they were on a loser, and they denied they had seen them in the act and so therefore the judge gave them all 10 lashes for making a false allegation and freed the couple to marry.

mashallah, now is that not how the shariah should be? is that not only showing the wisdom but also the mercy of shariah as it should be practiced?

the taliban only protected and helped those who were on their side. most of the pashtuns and pathans were on the taliban side, not much of them were harmed. If they had left the country with Ahmah Shah Massoud, he would have done something about Afghanistan following the Islamic shariah for he was a religious man and wanted his country, our country, to be under the influence of the Quran, sunnah and shariah...wait a minute:? ..why would the taliban want that?...they just continued fighting against him, they like their ways of governing under a cultural basis.

 

[Hijrah]

Regardless of "why" the woman was executed in a soccer stadium by an AK-47 to the back of the head, in front of her children, I would hope any civilized human being would denounce this as inhuman.

lol but that's fake just a propaganda video against the taliban haha

the taliban only protected and helped those who were on their side. most of the pashtuns and pathans were on the taliban side, not much of them were harmed. If they had left the country with Ahmah Shah Massoud, he would have done something about Afghanistan following the Islamic shariah for he was a religious man and wanted his country, our country, to be under the influence of the Quran, sunnah and shariah...wait a minute ..why would the taliban want that?...they just continued fighting against him, they like their ways of governing under a cultural basis.

very good point about ahmed shah massoud, i won't aim this at the taliban but some people just wanted dissension for the purpose of getting power, ahmed shah massoud was later killed by a suicide bomber who was sent by none other than a man who was kept safe within afghanistan by the taalibaan. O yes, another thing, I realize that the normal stereotype of the taliban, are some very pious people who sacrifice so much and go live in a cave, that's interesting but one of the taalibaan leaders currently who was on geo tv by the name of anas sharif was being interviewed and his cell phone rang, i don't want to stray from the topic but strangely enough his cell was better than mine (a razor!)

 

[Skillganon]

As I mentioned the current direction of the Afghan goverment and their alliance with their lords and protectors is against The Quran and the Sunnah.

When I said before refer to your argument & dispute to the Quran and the sunnah, than it is very clear on those who persist in holding to the way of of desbelievers. The Quran is littered with warning and admonishment, advice and guidance.
People do not take heed.

 

[Malaikah]

Regardless of "why" the woman was executed in a soccer stadium by an AK-47 to the back of the head, in front of her children, I would hope any civilized human being would denounce this as inhuman.

I'm curious, how old were the kids, and did they choose to be there? Or were they forced to watch?:?

 

[rav]

Hijra, you wrote:

lol but that's fake just a propaganda video against the taliban haha

Oh, if everyone had your mindset than there would be no "truth" or "fact" left in this entire universe.

Hello al_imaan_786, you wrote:

the taliban only protected and helped those who were on their side.

I assume there were females who were on their side, and what did they do other than not let them go to school to learn how to read or write? The Taliban ran a gender apartheid.

Therfore, if you were living under the Taliban, as a female, you couldn't post here because you would have been not aloud to learn basic qualities of life, only because of your gender.

Hello dawud_uk, you wrote:

i do not know the full circumstances, but as the sources is RAWA, a kufr supporting organisation then i would not take anything they say as reliable, if they told me it was daytime i would look out of the window to check and expect it to be black outside.

Really, does Islam teach that? If so, you have explained a lot.

 

[Skillganon]

I assume there were females who were on their side, and what did they do other than not let them go to school to learn how to read or write? The Taliban ran a gender apartheid.

Do not assume one is talking on behalf of Islamic Jurispudence.
Gender aparthied? That is a new one term to use against Islam. lol.
Their is nothing against Islam if their is segregation and it is well known by the muslim members here what that entails in accordance to Islam.

Therfore, if you were living under the Taliban, as a female, you couldn't post here because you would have been not aloud to learn basic qualities of life, only because of your gender.

That is an assumption based on no fact nor does it has credibility.

 

[rav]

Gender aparthied? That is a new one term to use against Islam. lol.

The term is not meant to be used against Islam. Islam in my understanding ofthe religion does not say women should be forbiden from learning to read or write.

Therefore, the term is not anti-islam at all, but anti-taliban.

That is an assumption based on no fact nor does it has credibility.

Oh really? Well here is the situation with schools:

AFGHANISTAN'S Taliban Islamic movement announced the closure of all female private schools and vocational centres yesterday, accusing them of being un-Islamic.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19980617/ai_n14151583

Taliban Ignorance Regarding Female Education

According to the recent reports a girls' school was set on fire by the Taliban rebels in Logar Province. This inhumane action is a big enmity against education and female students. Taliban who claim to be good Muslims are committing crimes which are against the Islamic thoughts because in the Islam religion it is an assumption that men and women seek knowledge, and burning schools are the biggest ignorance of the Taliban. It is their own thoughts and it is not related to the Islam religion at all. Our country needs educated males and females in order to rebuild our country. We need educated females in different life processes. We need female doctors, engineers, teachers in order to treat, teach and rebuild our country because females form half of our society and they have equal rights like males.

Some non-Muslim people think that in the Islamic religion the female education is forbidden, which is completely wrong. The Taliban follow an old culture which is not related to Islam. Taliban doesn't follow some instructions of Islam religion. For example, in the Islam religion there is freedom of speech for everyone, knowledge for males and females; Islam prohibits the killing of innocent people from any religion like Muslim, Christian, Hindu. Islam says if you save the life of a person it means you saved the lives of whole humanity and if you kill someone it means you killed the humanity. But the Taliban and Al Qaeda still kill pro-government civilians and aid workers which is completely wrong. In my opinion there is a specific organization behind this that wants to bring illiteracy to Afghan society.

http://afghanwarrior.blogspot.com/2005/11/taliban-ignorance-regarding-female.html


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[SIZE=+3][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]By Afghanistan correspondent Kate Clark[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=+3][FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=+1]Six schools run by a Turkish Islamic group have been shut down in Afghanistan. In a country where the state education system is suffering from a chronic lack of resources, the Turkish schools were rare centres of educational excellence. The group said problems emerged when the Taleban demanded control of their finances. Some 2,000 pupils attended the six Turkish schools, which were free. They had a curriculum which was strong in science and languages as well as religion and they were well resourced.[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE]​

[SIZE=+3][FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=+1]Lack of resources [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE]​

[SIZE=+3][FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=+1]Almost uniquely in Afghanistan, each school had a laboratory and a library. A representative for the schools said they had been ready to accept many of the Taleban's demands - that teachers should grow long beards, for example, and pupils wear turbans - but he said they could not agree to hand over their budget to the Taleban. He said the Taleban had wanted all the Turkish teachers to leave the country, leaving just one official who would hand the budget over to the Taleban education ministry for it to distribute. The representatives said they were faced with no choice but to close the schools. The Taleban may try to keep them running using Afghan teachers. But without proper resources they are likely to deteriorate to the level of the rest of the state education system. Parents and teachers there complain that there is hardly any funding for salaries or books and that each year the curriculum becomes more and more weighed down by religious subjects. [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE]​

[SIZE=+3][FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=+1]Expense for poor [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE]​

[SIZE=+3][FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=+1]The Taleban has also ordered all students in private English and computer courses to wear turbans, the headdress that the Taleban says is an Islamic tradition. At the start of the year, they ordered all state sector pupils beyond grade three to wear turbans, a considerable expense for poorer families. Computer and English students in Kabul said the religious police had visited their classrooms, threatening to expel students and close down any school which defied the order. [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE]​

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[Skillganon]

The term is not meant to be used against Islam. Islam in my understanding ofthe religion does not say women should be forbiden from learning to read or write.

Therefore, the term is not anti-islam at all, but anti-taliban.

and who said they forbid earning, reading and writing about Islam?

Nor does that give an excuse to invade and hunt them down in the pursuit of worldy/political gain and by means of everything that is forbidden and against Islam.

 

[rav]

and who said they forbid earning, reading and writing about Islam?

Nor does that give an excuse to invade and hunt them down in the pursuit of worlfy gaib and by means of everything that is forbidden, against Islam.

The Taliban said that.

<H2>Taliban Ignorance Regarding Female Education

According to the recent reports a girls' school was set on fire by the Taliban rebels in Logar Province. This inhumane action is a big enmity against education and female students. Taliban who claim to be good Muslims are committing crimes which are against the Islamic thoughts because in the Islam religion it is an assumption that men and women seek knowledge, and burning schools are the biggest ignorance of the Taliban. It is their own thoughts and it is not related to the Islam religion at all. Our country needs educated males and females in order to rebuild our country. We need educated females in different life processes. We need female doctors, engineers, teachers in order to treat, teach and rebuild our country because females form half of our society and they have equal rights like males.

Some non-Muslim people think that in the Islamic religion the female education is forbidden, which is completely wrong. The Taliban follow an old culture which is not related to Islam. Taliban doesn't follow some instructions of Islam religion. For example, in the Islam religion there is freedom of speech for everyone, knowledge for males and females; Islam prohibits the killing of innocent people from any religion like Muslim, Christian, Hindu. Islam says if you save the life of a person it means you saved the lives of whole humanity and if you kill someone it means you killed the humanity. But the Taliban and Al Qaeda still kill pro-government civilians and aid workers which is completely wrong. In my opinion there is a specific organization behind this that wants to bring illiteracy to Afghan society.

# posted by Waheed @ 13:26

http://afghanwarrior.blogspot.com/2005/11/taliban-ignorance-regarding-female.html

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[rav]

and who said they forbid earning, reading and writing about Islam?

Nor does that give an excuse to invade and hunt them down in the pursuit of worlfy gaib and by means of everything that is forbidden, against Islam

Your Taliban said this!!!!


A War on Schoolgirls

Unable to win on the battlefield, the Taliban are fighting to prevent half the country's children from getting an education.

Zalmai for Newsweek
Up in Flames: Taliban torched this school to stop girls from learning
By Ron Moreau and Sami Yousafzai
Newsweek


June 26, 2006 issue - Summer vacation has only begun, but as far as 12-year-old Nooria is concerned, the best thing is knowing she has a school to go back to in the fall. She couldn't be sure the place would stay open four months ago, after the Taliban tried to burn it down. Late one February night, more than a dozen masked gunmen burst into the 10-room girls' school in Nooria's village, Mandrawar, about 100 miles east of Kabul. They tied up and beat the night watchman, soaked the principal's office and the library with gasoline, set it on fire and escaped into the darkness. The townspeople, who doused the blaze before it could spread, later found written messages from the gunmen promising to cut off the nose and ears of any teacher or student who dared to return.

The threats didn't work. Within days, most of the school's 650 pupils were back to their studies. Classes were held under a grove of trees in the courtyard for several weeks, despite the winter chill, until repairs inside the one-story structure were complete. Nearby schools replaced at least some of the library's books. But the hate mail kept coming, with threats to shave the teachers' heads as well as mutilate their faces. Earlier this month, NEWSWEEK visited and talked to students and faculty on the last day of classes. Nooria, who dreams of becoming a teacher herself, expressed her determination to finish school. "I'm not afraid of getting my nose and ears cut off," she said, all dressed up in a long purple dress and headscarf. "I want to keep studying."

Schoolgirls need that kind of courage in Afghanistan. Unable to win on the battlefield, the Taliban are trying to discredit the Kabul government by blocking its efforts to raise Afghanistan out of its long dark age. They particularly want to undo one of the biggest changes of the past four years: the resumption of education for girls, which the Taliban outlawed soon after taking power in 1996. "The extremists want to show the people that the government and the international community cannot keep their promises," says Ahmad Nader Nadery of the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission (AIHRC). Today the Ministry of Education says the country has 1,350 girls' schools, along with 2,900 other institutions that hold split sessions, with girls-only classes in the afternoon. (Coeducation is still forbidden.) More than a third of Afghanistan's 5 million schoolchildren are now girls, compared with practically none in early 1992. In the last six months, however, Taliban attacks and threats of attacks have disrupted or shut down more than 300 of those schools.

Most of the closures have been in the far south, where the Taliban are strongest, but schools are also getting hit in areas that used to be relatively safe, like the fertile river valleys of Laghman province. The rock-walled compound where Nooria attends classes is one of six schools for girls in the province that have been torched so far this year. The damage at two of them was so bad that they remain closed. In nearby Logar province, arsonists have struck 10 sister schools—all within 50 miles of Kabul. "People are extremely frightened," says Palwasha Shaheed Kakar, the AIHRC representative in neighboring Nangarhar province, where at least eight other schools have burned. "These extremists need to attack only one or two schools to send a strong message."

The girls' school in Haider Khani village, just up the main road from Mandrawar, has suffered a sharp drop in attendance since January, when masked gunmen forced their way in and torched the place. Before the attack, up to 80 percent of the families in Haider Khani were sending their daughters to school, according to the principal, Fazal Rabi. An American military Provincial Reconstruction Team quickly repaired the damage and reopened the school. Even so, the principal reckons that only 40 percent of the village's preteen girls came back, and only 10 percent of the teenagers. Parents dread what might happen on the walk to school. Teachers get scared, too. Since the Mandrawar attack, Nooria's teacher, Farida, has traveled to and from school every day wearing a burqa and escorted by a male relative. "Otherwise I fear my nose and hair will be cut off," she told NEWSWEEK.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13392086/site/newsweek/

 

[Skillganon]

The Taliban said that.

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I don't believe everything that is attributed to the taliban, nor I take it as sure knowledge, nor I take it as any legitimacy of a war against them.

 

[rav]

I don't believe everything that is attributed to the taliban, nor I take it as sure knowledge, nor I take it as any legitimacy of a war against them.

Alright buddy, everything ll the proof, all your fellow muslim sisters saying the Taliban wouldnt let them learn how to read are liars... your always right... :rollseyes :rollseyes :rollseyes :rollseyes :rollseyes :rollseyes

 

[Skillganon]

Alright buddy, everything ll the proof, all your fellow muslim sisters saying the Taliban wouldnt let them learn how to read are liars... your always right... :rollseyes :rollseyes :rollseyes :rollseyes :rollseyes :rollseyes

I think you do not get the point. Taking the means that is against the Quran and the sunnah regardless if you are for or not for taliban is a seriouse crime.

So bringing in tidbit information on how bad was the taliban and how good now is they way of kufr does not have and credibility in Islam or amongts muslims upon the sunnah.
Nor bringing in their past blundars and not mentioning the cultural and social aspect as well as past regime.

Now if anyone goes to afghanistan and oppose the current goverment and their allies in this war, will be deemed taliban. So I give them my support aslong as it is against open kufr.

 

[rav]

So bringing in tidbit information on how bad was the taliban and how good now is they way of kufr does not have and credibility in Islam or amongts muslims upon the sunnah.

Alright, so I am not a Muslim so in your opinion I have no credibility. How about the muslim girl who says she wants to go to school but the Taliban said no because of her gender?

More conspiracies?

 

[Skillganon]

Alright, so I am not a Muslim so in your opinion I have no credibility. How about the muslim girl who says she wants to go to school but the Taliban said no because of her gender?

More conspiracies?

and how about another person from the taliban say yes?

Secondly even if they said no, I really do not know why exactly the said is it related to the time, circumstance, safety and social condition?

Other thing to note is their is no exact infra-structure for education and schools. Considering the many wars and past regime they went through e.t.c

Importantly the invasion of the west in afghanistan is nothing got to do with women in afghanistan. e.t.c it is for their own political, strategical gain.

Ultimately they fear if the taliban is successful than in time they will be successful of becoming a state that is in governance of full shariah and a one that will not be so compliance towards western powers.

I really do not think that a full governance that applies Islam (shariah law which is part of it) will not come without mistakes and blundars and hardship considering many thing and most importantly ignorance or culture.

Next taking the way of the current goverment and their Lords and Protectors is against Islam. That should be enough to oppose them even if some muslims love to see anything (any governance) other than the way of Islam succeeding. They are clearly in the wrong.

A muslim's loyalty is towards Allah(s.w.t), his messenger and believers e.t.c not towards anything else.

 

[Dawud_uk]

the taliban only protected and helped those who were on their side. most of the pashtuns and pathans were on the taliban side, not much of them were harmed. If they had left the country with Ahmah Shah Massoud, he would have done something about Afghanistan following the Islamic shariah for he was a religious man and wanted his country, our country, to be under the influence of the Quran, sunnah and shariah...wait a minute:? ..why would the taliban want that?...they just continued fighting against him, they like their ways of governing under a cultural basis.

assalaamu alaykum sister,

ahmad shah masood was undoubtably a brave and cunning commander but one who was killed legitimately, he was offered peace numerous times by the taliban but kept refusing.

you know as far as i am aware he is the only defence minister in the history of the world to flattern whole suburbs of his own capital with artillary fire as he and other warlords fought over power?

he was also the commander of rapists and murderers who terrorised the people. the taliban were fare, if you practiced islam you were protected, even the couple of jews in kabul were protected but if you were a non practicing muslim then yes pressure would be applied to you to confirm.

a man is known by his friends and look at the friends and allies of ahmad shah masood in what the west termed the northern alliance? bandits and rapists, men who were so low like general dostrum who changed sides repeatedly depending on his interest.

ahmad shah masood is also accused by some afghanis of striking a truce with the soviets to allow free movement through the land he controlled in exchange for him and his people being left alone.

all the above are not the actions of a good muslim but a nationalist, as he refused peace and refused to allow afghanistan to be reunited under such circumstances he is a legitimate target no matter what his previous bravery in the early part of the soviet jihad.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

 

[Dawud_uk]

Hello dawud_uk, you wrote:

Quote:
i do not know the full circumstances, but as the sources is RAWA, a kufr supporting organisation then i would not take anything they say as reliable, if they told me it was daytime i would look out of the window to check and expect it to be black outside.

Really, does Islam teach that? If so, you have explained a lot.


peace be upon those who follow righteous guidence,

God commands us in the Quran to varify all information that comes to us from 'Fasiqoon' meaning open evil doers.

RAWA are a maoist organisation who wish to impose their athiest idiology upon the muslim people of afghanistan, i think the taliban were too lenient with them but i have read their english website and it is clear their actions and beliefs are kufr (disbelief), but Allah Alim (God knows best) on their status before him.

peace be upon those who follow righteous guidence,
Abu Abdullah

 

[Dawud_uk]

Alright, so I am not a Muslim so in your opinion I have no credibility. How about the muslim girl who says she wants to go to school but the Taliban said no because of her gender?

More conspiracies?

i wouldnt say you have no credability, you are a person of the book.

salah ud deen when he was liberating palastine from its previous occupation took the word of a christian women against his own muslim soldier and had him executed for rape.

but RAWA and others like them are a different matter.

Abu Abdullah

 

[Erundur]

:salamext:

assalaamu alaykum sister,

ahmad shah masood was undoubtably a brave and cunning commander but one who was killed legitimately, he was offered peace numerous times by the taliban but kept refusing.
So a suicide attempt was a justification for his death?


you know as far as i am aware he is the only defence minister in the history of the world to flattern whole suburbs of his own capital with artillary fire as he and other warlords fought over power?
One of which were the Taliban...

he was also the commander of rapists and murderers who terrorised the people.
Evidence?

the taliban were fare, if you practiced islam you were protected, even the couple of jews in kabul were protected but if you were a non practicing muslim then yes pressure would be applied to you to confirm.
So were Sikhs, Hindus and Buddhists under Massoud. There was more of a trade and daily dealings happening in the North then in the Capitol of Kabul under the Talib rule.

a man is known by his friends and look at the friends and allies of ahmad shah masood in what the west termed the northern alliance? bandits and rapists, men who were so low like general dostrum who changed sides repeatedly depending on his interest.
And the Taliban weren't Bandits and rapists? Dostum was also part of the Taliban he changed later on...

ahmad shah masood is also accused by some afghanis of striking a truce with the soviets to allow free movement through the land he controlled in exchange for him and his people being left alone.
False rumour.


assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah