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Are the Taliban the right choice for Afghanistan?


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no...his clam is not completely false...is this why they burned down the schools and later pages of the Quran were found....did the Prophet(saw) force people to become muslim or follow the religion?....everything that the Taliban did was by force...

What Schools did they burn down? Bring me one piece of Evidence that supports your claim. If you knew Your history on the situation in Afghanistan you wouldn't be talking so deeply about the educational system.

How can you have an educational system setup in less than 5 years when the world does not care about you, nor does the world give you anything? Do you expect Afghanistan to have the most perfect education in less than 5 years? Do you even know that people could not leave they're homes, females and young children were not able to leave their homes because of the stressful situation before the taliban. You start speaking about education? Sister, what talk is this? Where is your Support, even if our brothers and sisters did have errors, it is our JOBS as Muslims to ally ourselves with them rather than the kuffar. Did Muhammad sws align himself with jews before the Muslims? No he was constantly staying with the Muslims before any other group.

What do you people who bash against the Taliban do not understand?

Do you not see that women and children were not even able to leave their homes because of the danger of the situation in Afghanistan before the Taliban had arrived.

Where is your Iman? No other country attempted to Establish a Sharia like Afghanistan did by the taliban, yet you expect it to happen in less than 5 years? You expect education and everything else to flourish when no one seems to care? except for 3 states in the whole of the Muslim countries in this world?

These brothers and sisters live their life on the Sunnah and the Quran, I do not expect any Kafir to understand this because that is why they are a Kafir, the Kuffar will always have enmity against the Muslims.

Also, your claim is competely refuted again because in the center of Kandahar there were sikhs living under the Taliban regime who were not forced to become Muslim.

It took all these other superpowers Years to develop, yet everyone expects Afghanistan to develop in 5 years? From 10 years of war and 5 years of civil war? I did not even get into the planted land mines in the school grounds issue, nor the book issues of being torn.
 
What Schools did they burn down? Bring me one piece of Evidence that supports your claim.

MAZAR-I-SHARIF, Afghanistan -- Unable to combat the rash of arson attacks across the country, the government is enlisting the public's help to safeguard schools and children.

Mohammad Gul used to dream of becoming a teacher. The 13-year-old attended a high school in the Maarja district, in the troubled southern province of Helmand. He worked hard to get good grades so that he would be able to go to university.

That was before his school burned down last year - torched by insurgents seeking to undermine the provincial authorities.

"I do not think I will fulfill my dream," Mohammad said. "If the government rebuilds the school, the Taliban will just burn it down again. That is how we all feel. The government has provided tents for the school, but we are afraid that we will be burned along with the tents."

Mohammad Gul is just one of thousands of children whose futures are being jeopardized by the rising tide of attacks on schools in Afghanistan.

Over the past year, more than 100 schools have been burned down. This threatens to reverse one of the key achievements of President Hamid Karzai's administration.

Throughout the country, but especially in the southern provinces, schools that opened to great fanfare after the fall of the Taliban are being quietly closed because parents and pupils fear retribution from armed insurgents.

Most people blame the Taliban, citing the fundamentalists' opposition to secular schooling, especially for girls. In statements made by various spokesmen, the Taliban have denied carrying out these attacks.
http://www.metimes.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20070124-021435-4304r

Islamic extremists burned down a school for girls south of the capital and distributed letters threatening to kill anyone working for the U.S.-backed Afghan government, a senior Afghan military official said Friday.

The Abu Sofian school, which was housed in a tent, was torched on Wednesday night in Logar province, 30 miles south of Kabul, said Gen. Hatiqulluh Luddin, a regional military commander. The school was closed for a monthlong holiday at the time and nobody was hurt.
He said authorities were still investigating the incident but blamed unnamed extremists in nearby villages.

Luddin said that another tented girls' school was burned down in a neighboring district two weeks ago.

The Abu Sofian school, which has about 250 students, will reopen as planned on Saturday. Schools across the country have been closed because of hot weather.

The former Taliban regime prohibited girls from attending school as part of its drive to establish a "pure" Islamic state, before it was ousted by a U.S.-led military force in late 2001. There is still opposition among some in Afghanistan's Pashtun ethnic majority to education for girls.

Taliban remnants and their allies have recently stepped up attacks on government targets - particularly in eastern and southern Afghanistan - in an apparent drive to undermine the administration of President Harmid Karzai.

Luddin said that in the past week, authorities in Logar have found 30 fliers - sometimes distributed by different extremist groups - threatening anyone who cooperates with his government.
One letter, claiming to be from the Taliban, said that the group was active all over the country and did not want girls' schools. It threatened to kill anyone who worked with the government.

Another letter from a group calling itself Mujahedeen Message said: "Nobody should work with the Americans. It is an infidel government, whose workings should die." Luddin echoed frequent claims made in Afghanistan and abroad that Taliban fugitives have found a haven in neighboring Pakistan, which backed the regime until the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=21457&Disp=4
KANDAHAR, AFGHANISTAN – Just after midnight on Jan. 8, four armed men jumped over the wall of the Kabael Primary School in Loyawala, just outside of Kandahar, and began to spread 40 liters of kerosene inside the classrooms that regularly host 1,350 students.

The caretakers, who were unarmed, could do nothing but watch, and shiver in the night. The masked men waited just long enough for the fires to engulf the primary school, and then they left, bringing yet another bit of terror to the lives of Afghan villagers here.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0202/p06s01-wosc.html

In a new report, “Lessons in Terror: Attacks on Education in Afghanistan,” Human Rights Watch estimates that in 2005 and the first half of 2006 there were more than 204 attacks on teachers, students and schools, mostly in the south but also in previously secure areas of northern provinces. Threatening “night letters,” warning girls against attending school, are distributed in mosques, schools and along routes taken by students and teachers. “Girls not educated today are the missing teachers, administrators and policymakers of tomorrow,” concludes the Human Rights Watch report.
http://msmagazine.com/fall2006/schoolsout.asp

More reading:
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21005248-1702,00.html
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\01\29\story_29-1-2006_pg7_45


It seems you are clueless of the situation!
 
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A War on Schoolgirls

Unable to win on the battlefield, the Taliban are fighting to prevent half the country's children from getting an education.


Zalmai for Newsweek
Up in Flames: Taliban torched this school to stop girls from learning

By Ron Moreau and Sami Yousafzai
Newsweek


June 26, 2006 issue - Summer vacation has only begun, but as far as 12-year-old Nooria is concerned, the best thing is knowing she has a school to go back to in the fall. She couldn't be sure the place would stay open four months ago, after the Taliban tried to burn it down. Late one February night, more than a dozen masked gunmen burst into the 10-room girls' school in Nooria's village, Mandrawar, about 100 miles east of Kabul. They tied up and beat the night watchman, soaked the principal's office and the library with gasoline, set it on fire and escaped into the darkness. The townspeople, who doused the blaze before it could spread, later found written messages from the gunmen promising to cut off the nose and ears of any teacher or student who dared to return.

The threats didn't work. Within days, most of the school's 650 pupils were back to their studies. Classes were held under a grove of trees in the courtyard for several weeks, despite the winter chill, until repairs inside the one-story structure were complete. Nearby schools replaced at least some of the library's books. But the hate mail kept coming, with threats to shave the teachers' heads as well as mutilate their faces. Earlier this month, NEWSWEEK visited and talked to students and faculty on the last day of classes. Nooria, who dreams of becoming a teacher herself, expressed her determination to finish school. "I'm not afraid of getting my nose and ears cut off," she said, all dressed up in a long purple dress and headscarf. "I want to keep studying."

Schoolgirls need that kind of courage in Afghanistan. Unable to win on the battlefield, the Taliban are trying to discredit the Kabul government by blocking its efforts to raise Afghanistan out of its long dark age. They particularly want to undo one of the biggest changes of the past four years: the resumption of education for girls, which the Taliban outlawed soon after taking power in 1996. "The extremists want to show the people that the government and the international community cannot keep their promises," says Ahmad Nader Nadery of the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission (AIHRC). Today the Ministry of Education says the country has 1,350 girls' schools, along with 2,900 other institutions that hold split sessions, with girls-only classes in the afternoon. (Coeducation is still forbidden.) More than a third of Afghanistan's 5 million schoolchildren are now girls, compared with practically none in early 1992. In the last six months, however, Taliban attacks and threats of attacks have disrupted or shut down more than 300 of those schools.

Most of the closures have been in the far south, where the Taliban are strongest, but schools are also getting hit in areas that used to be relatively safe, like the fertile river valleys of Laghman province. The rock-walled compound where Nooria attends classes is one of six schools for girls in the province that have been torched so far this year. The damage at two of them was so bad that they remain closed. In nearby Logar province, arsonists have struck 10 sister schools—all within 50 miles of Kabul. "People are extremely frightened," says Palwasha Shaheed Kakar, the AIHRC representative in neighboring Nangarhar province, where at least eight other schools have burned. "These extremists need to attack only one or two schools to send a strong message."

The girls' school in Haider Khani village, just up the main road from Mandrawar, has suffered a sharp drop in attendance since January, when masked gunmen forced their way in and torched the place. Before the attack, up to 80 percent of the families in Haider Khani were sending their daughters to school, according to the principal, Fazal Rabi. An American military Provincial Reconstruction Team quickly repaired the damage and reopened the school. Even so, the principal reckons that only 40 percent of the village's preteen girls came back, and only 10 percent of the teenagers. Parents dread what might happen on the walk to school. Teachers get scared, too. Since the Mandrawar attack, Nooria's teacher, Farida, has traveled to and from school every day wearing a burqa and escorted by a male relative. "Otherwise I fear my nose and hair will be cut off," she told NEWSWEEK.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13392086/site/newsweek/
 
Where is your Support, even if our brothers and sisters did have errors, it is our JOBS as Muslims to ally ourselves with them rather than the kuffar. Did Muhammad sws align himself with jews before the Muslims? No he was constantly staying with the Muslims before any other group.


These brothers and sisters live their life on the Sunnah and the Quran, I do not expect any Kafir to understand this because that is why they are a Kafir, the Kuffar will always have enmity against the Muslims.

Tell me, who are the Kuffar to you? The people who do not believe in God or the people that are not Muslim?
 
Wow..Lavikor. I would say you pretty convincingly refuted his claim. Of course, it is possbile the night watchman fell asleep and burned the school down with his cigarette...then tied himself up just to cover his tracks.



Mahdisoldier:


Here is hoping you weren't singed too badly in Lavikor's barrage.
 
What Schools did they burn down? Bring me one piece of Evidence that supports your claim.

Insurgents torch newly-built refugee school
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21005248-1702,00.html

Taliban burn down three Afghan schools
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\01\29\story_29-1-2006_pg7_45

Afghan schools face torch
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0202/p06s01-wosc.html

Taliban use beheadings and beatings to keep Afghanistan's schools closed
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article1171369.ece

Taliban Burn Girls' School
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/020656.htm

Afghanistan: Militants Are Targeting Schools
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/02/162380e9-affd-47a2-8410-4ff416d865f3.html

Afghanistan's hidden war
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5220514.stm

Taliban continue to sow fear
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/28/news/kabul.php

Taliban's efforts to get girls out of school
http://www.ungei.org/infobycountry/index_828.html
 
Assalam Alaikam

Ya Ahu Al Ladeena Amanu, again the kuffar attempt to Lie against your fellow Mujahideen.

Afghan schools face torch
Attackers tried to burn a girls' school Monday in the latest attack on education.
By Scott Baldauf | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
KANDAHAR, AFGHANISTAN – Just after midnight on Jan. 8, four armed men jumped over the wall of the Kabael Primary School in Loyawala, just outside of Kandahar, and began to spread 40 liters of kerosene inside the classrooms that regularly host 1,350 students.

The caretakers, who were unarmed, could do nothing but watch, and shiver in the night. The masked men waited just long enough for the fires to engulf the primary school, and then they left, bringing yet another bit of terror to the lives of Afghan villagers here.
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"For 30 years ,we have been burned by these flames, this fighting," says one of the caretakers, Mohammad Sadeq, himself a former resistance fighter against the Soviets. "But this is our country; these children are from our soil. If we don't help them learn, who will?"

Across southern Afghanistan, night raids like the one in Loyawala are eroding one of the few solid gains that Afghanistan has made since the fall of the Taliban: education. By threatening or killing teachers and principals, and burning down schools, insurgents have found a method for bringing the war home to ordinary Afghans, and to weaken their faith in a government that appears unable to protect them and their children. The repercussions are just now being felt.

"The reason they attack schools is that they are a soft target," says Engineer Abdul Quadar Noorzai, regional manager of the Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission in Kandahar. "They get a lot of attention when they burn a school. The news goes up to the sky. The sad thing is that we didn't have good schools before this happened. Now it is like putting salt in our wounds."

Kandahar is certainly not the only Afghan province where such tactics are being used. Monday night, six armed people tried to burn a girls school in Laghman Province, but the village awoke and the attackers fled. Three primary schools were burned in Helmand Province on Friday.

But with eight schools burned in the current school year, Kandahar is the center of antigovernment activity. Government officials blame the Taliban for the attacks, something that Taliban spokesmen deny. But no matter who the culprit is, the government is struggling to stop the burnings.

"All over the world, there is no protective police force for schools," says Gov. Asadullah Khalid, the new governor of Kandahar. "This is an easy target for them. We have taken some measures, but I can tell you we expect the people to feel responsible and to take further steps themselves" to protect their schools.

Hayatullah Rifiqi, the education chief for Kandahar Province, says that Kabul has been cooperative in adding police to districts where attacks have taken place. Currently, his main task is getting the far-flung district of Maruf to open up its 42 schools, which currently remain shut because of threats.

"Before and after Eid [an Islamic feast day in January], some schools were burned, some leaflets were distributed in schools, some principals were killed, guards and caretakers were killed, and people have been threatened," says Mr. Rifiqi. "But even now, in remote districts, teachers are teaching. They tell me 'The only thing that will take Afghanistan out of its troubles is education, and whatever price we pay, we have to do it.' "

Taliban spokesman Mohammad Hanif denies that the Taliban are behind the attacks on schools.

"The Taliban are supporters of education and learning," says Dr. Hanif, speaking to the Monitor by mobile phone from an undisclosed location in Afghanistan. "The people who are doing this are enemies of Islam, and we condemn them. Burning schools is not allowed under Islam."

New Afghan plan

In a five-year blueprint released Wednesday, Afghanistan - working with foreign donors - pledged to:

• Reduce the number of people living on less than $1 per day by 3% each year.

• Shut down all armed militias by 2007.

• Provide electricity to 25% of rural homes and 65% of urban homes.

• Reduce infant and maternal mortality by 20% and 15% respectively by 2010.

Source: The Associated Press

In the village of Loyawala, the burned school has gotten a fresh coat of paint, and new chairs and desks for the students. UNICEF has donated large tents for classrooms to replace the tents burned by the insurgents.

Some teachers in Loyawala say they doubt the Taliban were behind the attack. Instead, they blame the government of Pakistan for taking advantage of Afghanistan's weakness.

Noting that the arsonists didn't allow caretakers to take copies of the Koran out of the classrooms before burning them, Loyawala principal Abdul Nazir says, "I don't think this was the Taliban, they don't burn Koran. Actually you have a lot of Pakistanis arrested with explosives these days. This is what they do. It's not coming from anywhere else but from Pakistan."

Abdul Aziz, the headmaster, agrees. "Pakistan doesn't want Afghanistan's education to go higher," he says, arguing that Pakistan relies on Afghans as laborers and consumers. "They want us to remain poor, illiterate, and dependent."

In the Arghandab district, east of Kandahar city, six schools have been burnt and two of these remain shut down because of insecurity. But the district head of education, Maiwand Khan, says that he is working with tribal elders to reopen the schools, and to get villagers to take more responsibility.

"It's difficult even if the government helps us out," says Mr. Khan. "But unless we persuade the people in the village that they should send their children to school, and that teachers should go back to work, and the villagers need to protect the schools themselves, then no student and no teacher will dare to go there."

Again the Kaffir who posted information that the taliban deny education by stating it was men "MASKED", First of all the taliban do not wear masks.




Layeha (book of rules) for the MujahideenFrom the highest leader of the Islamic Emirates of Afghanistan.

Every Mujahid must abide by the following rules:

1) A Taliban commander is permitted to extend an invitation to all Afghans who support infidels so that they may convert to the true Islam.

2) We guarantee to any man who turns his back on infidels, personal security and the security of his possessions. But if he becomes involved in a dispute, or someone accuses him of something, he must submit to our judiciary.

3) Mujahideen who protect new Taliban recruits must inform their commander.

4) A convert to the Taliban, who does not behave loyally and becomes a traitor, forfeits our protection. He will be given no second chance.

5) A Mujahid who kills a new Taliban recruit forfeits our protection and will be punished according to Islamic law.

6) If a Taliban fighter wants to move to another district, he is permitted to do so, but he must first acquire the permission of his group leader.

7) A Mujahid who takes a foreign infidel as prisoner with the consent of a group leader may not exchange him for other prisoners or money.

8) A provincial, district or regional commander may not sign a contract to work for anon-governmental organization or accept money from an NGO. The Shura (the highest Taliban council) alone may determine all dealings with NGOs.

9) Taliban may not use Jihad equipment or property for personal ends.

10) Every Talib is accountable to his superiors in matters of money spending and equipment usage.

11) Mujadideen may not sell equipment, unless the provincial commander permits him to do so.

12) A group of Mujahideen may not take in Mujahideen from another group to increase their own power. This is only allowed when there are good reasons for it, such as a lack of fighters in one particular group. Then written permission must be given and the weapons of the new members must stay with their old group.

13) Weapons and equipment taken from infidels or their allies must be fairly distributed among the Mujahideen.

14) If someone who works with infidels wants to cooperate with Mujahideen, he should not be killed. If he is killed, his murderer must stand before an Islamic court.

15) A Mujahid or leader who torments an innocent person [I would like to see their definition of "innocence"; I'll wager it's pretty narrow--P] must be warned by his superiors. If he does not change his behaviour he must be thrown out of the Taliban movement.

16) It is strictly forbidden to search houses or confiscate weapons without the permission of a district or provincial commander.

17) Mujahideen have no right to confiscate money or personal possessions of civilians.

18) Mujahideen should refrain from smoking cigarettes.

19) Mujahideen are not allowed to take young boys with no facial hair onto the battlefield or into their private quarters [No mention of goats? Why is this rule necessary? Is the practice so widespread? Rather confirms some stereotypes--P].

20) If members of the opposition or the civil government wish to be loyal to the Taliban, we may take their conditions into consideration. A final decision must be made by the military council.

21) Anyone with a bad reputation or who has killed civilians during the Jihad may not be accepted into the Taliban movement. If the highest leader has personally forgiven him, he will remain at home in the future.

22) If a Mujahid is found guilty of a crime and his commander has barred him from the group, no other group may take him in. If he wishes to resume contact with the Taliban, he must ask forgiveness from his former group.

23) If a Mujahid is faced with a problem that is not described in this book, his commander must find a solution in consultation with the group.

24) It is forbidden to work as a teacher under the current puppet regime, because this strengthens the system of the infidels. True Muslims should apply to study with a religiously trained teacher and study in a Mosque or similar institution. Textbooks must come from the period of the Jihad or from the Taliban regime.

25) Anyone who works as a teacher for the current puppet regime must recieve a warning. If he nevertheless refuses to give up his job, he must be beaten. If the teacher still continues to instruct contrary to the principles of Islam, the district commander or a group leader must kill him.

26) Those NGOs that come to the country under the rule of the infidels must be treated as the government is treated. They have come under the guise of helping people but in fact are part of the regime. Thus we tolerate none of their activities, whether it be building of streets, bridges, clinics, schools, madrases (schools for Koran study) or other works. If a school fails to heed a warning to close, it must be burned. But all religious books must be secured beforehand.

27) As long as a person has not been convicted of espionage and punished for it, no one may take up the issue on their own. Only the district commander is in charge. Witnesses who testify in a procedure must be in good psychological condition, possess an untarnished religious reputation, and not have committed any major crime. The punishment may take place only after the conclusion of the trial.

28) No lower-level commander may interfere with contention among the populace. If an argument cannot be resolved, the district or regional commander must step in to handle the matter. The case should be discussed by religious experts (Ulema) or a council of elders (Jirga). If they find no solution, the case must be referred to well-known religious authorities.

29) Every Mujahid must post a watch, day and night.

30) The above 29 rules are obligatory. Anyone who offends this code must be judged according to the laws of the Islamic Emirates.

This Book of Rules is intended for the Mujahideen who dedicate their lives to Islam and the almighty Allah. This is a complete guidebook for the progress of Jihad, and every Mujahid must keep these rules; it is the duty of every Jihadist and true believer.Signed by the highest leader of the Islamic Emirates of Afghanistan (Editor's note: this Book of Rules was distributed initially to the 33 members of the Shura, the highest Taliban council, at their meeting during Ramadan 2006.)

That is what the Taliban do.

Taliban Says it Will Open Schools in Afghanistan
21 January 2007 | 13:58 | FOCUS News Agency
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Kandahar. The Taliban movement said Sunday it will open schools in areas under its control, despite waging an insurgency that last year saw scores of attacks on Afghanistan's students.
A spokesman told AFP the schools would open this year and follow a curriculum used during the 1996-2001 rule of the Taliban government.
"From March to July this year, the Taliban movement will open all the schools in the districts under their control," the man identifying himself as Taliban political spokesman Abdul Hai Mutmayn said in a statement read over the telephone.
"In the schools, all the textbooks and subjects which were being taught under the Taliban government will be taught. This will cost one million dollars and the Taliban movement will pay for that."
The spokesman did not say which districts were involved. "There are lots of districts in southern and southeastern Afghanistan where the government has no presence and we are in control," he said.
Taliban claims to control certain far-flung areas of Afghanistan are dismissed by military officials, who say they are only able to assert a presence for brief periods before being removed.
The movement regularly uses propaganda and threats in its campaign.
The Taliban government destroyed Afghanistan's already war-shattered education system.
It prevented girls from going to school and women from working, which meant most teachers had to give up their jobs.
Lessons were focused on the Taliban's extremist version of Islam.
Since it was toppled, the group has launched scores of bomb and arson attacks on schools, destroying many.
Education Minister Mohammad Hanif Atmar said in August suspected Taliban attacks had killed at least 41 teachers and students in the previous 12 months, and security concerns had forced 208 schools to close.
Educating Afghanistan's mostly illiterate population is a priority for the new government, but not for many rural Afghans struggling to get by, especially where girls are concerned.


Look at a Mujahids view of this war,

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ogfXlp3Gf0Q&mode=related&search=

Also what about the President Hamid Karzai in which his brother who is the biggest drug dealer in southern Afghanistan.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=b2F6FxOV2VI&mode=related&search=
( The truth about the Who really burn the Schools, burned by Karzais Government in which he states the Mujahideen do not burn schools)
 
What do you people who bash against the Taliban do not understand?

Do you not see that women and children were not even able to leave their homes because of the danger of the situation in Afghanistan before the Taliban had arrived.
So, the Taliban were advocates of women's rights and girls right to an education I guess.

again the kuffar attempt to Lie against your fellow Mujahideen
Actually, the reports most often are the accounts of afghan witnesses.
Don't like the news reports? Ok.
You seem to elude to the conspiracy theory that it is all an elaborate propaganda scheme against the taliban to maintain support for the ousting of the taliban.
So let's look at the Taliban through the eyes of women of Afghanistan.

Take note that the date of this writing is March 20, 2001, this evidence that the women were not happy before the taliban was ran off, and before the western media would have been engaged in any hypothetical anti-taliban propaganda.

'The Taliban do not accept women as a part of society'

The members of the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA) are struggling against vast odds, often risking their own lives for a democratic, non-fundamentalist and women-friendly regime in Afghanistan. In an exclusive interview with V K Shashikumar, Mehmooda of RAWA talks about the almost pathological misogyny of the Taliban, and of RAWA's struggle to survive

Women's rights have moved rapidly backwards into the unknown in Afghanistan under the Taliban militia's horrifically stringent rule. The ravages of three decades of continuous conflict, drought and disease has turned this hardy land into a nation of refugees, single mothers and orphans. Together, they make up a large portion of the country's considerable refugee population.

Women and children comprise a large percentage of the estimated 170,000 refugees who have poured into the poorly-equipped and overcrowded refugee camps in neighbouring Pakistan, since September last year. RAWA, based in Quetta, has been in the forefront of the women's movement in Afghanistan. It calls itself the only feminist anti-fundamentalist organisation of Afghan women".

Mehmooda outlines the reasons behind the almost pathological misogyny that underlies much of the Taliban's actions. "Most of the Taliban (cadres) have experienced sexual abuses by their seniors during their youth in the religious schools (madrasas). It may have created a kind of complex in them, which has made them so bestial towards women. It must be clear that these vale “Champions of Islam” are accustomed to raping young boys to satisfy their criminal lust."

What are the living conditions of women and children in Afghanistan today?

Life for women under fundamentalist regimes like the Taliban is terrible. The fundamentalists do not accept women as a part of society. Afghanistan is now a ghost country, and due to the heavy fighting and rising crime rates, women in the country are little more than zombies. They are not allowed to go for treatment, get education, or enjoy any entertainment. They are lashed on the streets for the strangest reasons and their hands and feet are cut off if they were to steal a loaf of bread.
The extremists have formed a state were women are seen as subhuman creatures, whose role is to satisfy men's sexual needs, procreate, and handle domestic affairs. Women are altogether deprived of an education, the right to work, and cannot leave the house without a male escort (usually a close relative). No woman can be treated or operated on by a male physician. They are forced to wear shapeless bags called burqas, in pale colours only, to completely cover their bodies. Not even their ankles or wrists may show. No make-up, heels that make a clicking sound, singing or laughing aloud is tolerated. These restrictions are imposed, because anything female is seen as tempting a man to depart from his duties to God. In their extreme dishonouring of Islam, even the windows of all homes have been painted, so that women cannot be seen from the outside. Women are not allowed to be photographed or filmed or printed in newspapers. These are just a rundown of their despotic limitations.

Women and female children are being killed in the name of honour, sold as cattle, forced into marriage, dying because of lack of basic healthcare, and doomed to a life of humiliation, servitude, ignorance and misery. Their potential is withering away in this dismal state. Quite frankly, instead of creating a pure, religious state, the Taliban is turning the people of Afghanistan into beggars.
How different were the lives of Afghan women before Taliban came to power?

In our opinion, there is not a big difference between the living conditions of women before and after the Taliban rule, and this is because of the fanatic and misogynistic nature of both the jihadis and the Taliban. All of them are enemies of women, democracy, education and progress. After the tragedy of April 28,1992, when the jihadi beasts perpetrated their aggression on Kabul and other cities, their depravity focused on raping women, girls and children. Leaders of different warring factions appear to treat the rape of women from vanquished populace as reward for their own "Islamic" soldiers. Some armed guards target women from ethnic minorities they regard as enemies. Several Afghan women have committed suicide to avoid being raped. Scores of Afghan women have been abducted and detained by Mujahideen groups and commanders and then used for sexual purposes or sold into prostitution. Young girls have suffered the same fate. Women and girls were not safe.
Why does the Taliban want to suppress and oppress women?

They think that by brutal treatment and intimidation, they can get rid of half our population. The Taliban are mostly illiterate. They are not taught social and natural sciences in religious schools. They only know how to exploit the verses of the Koran to justify their terrible atrocities. They are awfully backward, uncultured, uncivilised and completely alien to the good norms, values and achievements of the present era.

Most of the Taliban have experienced sexual abuses by their seniors during their youth in the religious schools. It may have created a kind of complex in them, which have made them so bestial towards women. It should be added that homosexuality is very much common among these "champions of Islam".

If religion is the cover for their suppression and oppression, then does Islam really sanction this?

The criminal Taliban and jihadis have their own interpretation of the tenets of Islam and, therefore, they could simply cover their brutalities by their desirable propagation of religion, which may not be sanctioned in Islam. (basically, islam does not support this)

If Islam does not sanction Taliban's brutal behaviour, could you please highlight the progressive ideas on women and their emancipation in Islam?

Religion should be regarded as a private and personal issue. Those who try to seek the resolution of everything, especially complicated social problems, through religion, are, in fact, misusing religion for their political end.

No doubt, there are many issues in Islam, particularly in connection with women, that are quite controversial. This may not make ordinary Muslims convert from Islam to any other religion. But when fundamentalists want to make laws on those points and then impose the laws through force and sword, people will resist it. It should be said here that in no time in their history have the Afghans been so disillusioned of religion since the coming to power of the criminal jihadis and Taliban.

The Taliban venomously attacks the image of modern woman. Just to disprove their point, name 10 highly successful women of Afghanistan, who have left a mark on your nation's contemporary history.

Meena, the founding leader of RAWA is the first conscious woman of Afghanistan who laid down her life for her ideals. Obviously, she is our inspiring heroine. Apart from some schoolgirls who were killed by the pro-Soviet puppet regime, there are many women in our ranks, who despite hardships have not given up and are staunchly fighting against all types of fundamentalists, for democracy…in my opinion, there are many who have left a mark, though not very visible, on our contemporary history. However, they are busy with anti-fundamentalist politics and it would not be safe to name them.

After all, men across all religions and in all countries and communities use scriptures, sacred texts and traditions to suppress women's empowerment. Why are the Talibs afraid of allowing women their rights? Do you think that the Talib are afraid that the women will be able to bring about a consciousness in the society to fight the evils of fundamentalism, which might then affect their rule?

That is right. The Taliban know that by suppressing and silencing women, they will get rid of half our population. Yes, the Taliban are afraid that our women will make miraculous initiatives if they are unchained.

We can also easily gauge the fundamentalists' fear of women's struggle from their cheap, vulgar and ridiculous attacks on RAWA. They cannot come up with any other ''reasoning'' towards us except reiterating that "RAWA is Maoist", "a group of prostitutes", "anti-Islam" and so on.

They have declared all RAWA members as enemies of the "Islamic emirate" and to be arrested wherever found out. Anybody found with (a copy of) Payam-e-Zan (Women's Message, a publication of RAWA) is enough for the conviction of the person, and she or he will be severely persecuted and will undergo torture

How has RAWA helped organise women in Afghanistan?

As an underground organisation struggling under the most barbaric fundamentalist regime in the world, RAWA is forced to further all its activities to raise political awareness of the women and get them organised, secretly. Even our social work is not open in Afghanistan. But as most of our women have experienced the bloody oppression of the jihadis and the Taliban, they understand our message easily; and despite harsh conditions, they are willing to resist. However, one of the greatest obstacles in their way is their terrible economic situation, which diminishes their burning will to fight.

The Taliban have drawn lessons from the fascist and criminal experiences of the KHAD (the Afghan secret service under the Soviet puppet regime), as well as jihadis, regarding suppression and controlling people. Therefore, fighting them is not an easy task, especially for the women.

Nevertheless, we are proud to be the only women's organisation that has not given up its engagement in organising our bereaved women.

What are the activities of RAWA inside and outside Afghanistan?

During the Soviet occupation, we were distributing anti-Soviet and anti-puppets leaflets, staging demonstrations and strikes in schools and universities, instigating the women to contribute in resistance war in any possible way, despite opposition from fundamentalists, running schools, a hospital, etcetera, for refugees, publishing and distributing Payam-e-Zan and so on.

It was in the course of such activities that a number of our activists were arrested in Kabul and underwent horrible tortures and some of them languished for about eight years in notorious prisons. Our founding leader, Meena, and her two aides were murdered at the hands of the KHAD agents and their fundamentalist accomplices in 1987.

After the fall of the puppet government and the invasion of the fundamentalist bands into Kabul, RAWA's focus has increasingly been on women's rights, human rights and exposition of the fundamentalists barbaric actions. (see RAWA activities: anti-fundamentalist defiance)

How is RAWA funded? Do expatriate Afghans help by giving donations?

The membership fee of our members, and donations from supporters in and outside Afghanistan is a major source of finance. We also generate some funds through selling carpets and other traditional handicrafts. The income from our publications, cassettes etc is also a source of income. In short, as an organisation deprived of any help from any government or non-governmental organisations (NGOs), RAWA is in a critical financial situation. The donation we have so far received is nothing in comparison to the great need for funds in and outside Afghanistan to run our projects in education, healthcare and income-generation fields.

How does RAWA generate public opinion in influential countries in the West?

Thanks to the Internet, we have succeeded to build a rather vast network in many Western countries and are very proud of our supporters in North America, Europe, and Australia, who are making a wonderful contribution to our cause.

We have also made trips to the USA, some European and South Asian countries to spread the word and talk about the crimes committed by the jihadis and Taliban.

What has the role of Pakistan been in helping Taliban?

It is an open secret that Taliban are a creation of Pakistan and the US, just as the jihadis are dependent on Russia, Central Asian Republics (CAR), Iran and India. However, we have always concentrated on exposing the real nature of all these fundamentalist bands that, in fact, have invited foreign powers to interfere and keep them alive. When there is a government based on democratic values in Kabul, no country will dare interfere.

What do the Pakistani women think of the Pakistani government's covert and overt help to Pakistan?


As far as our limited contacts show, almost all women are very critical of the Pakistani government's help to the fundamentalists in Afghanistan.

How do you involve Pakistani women in your programmes and activities, in order to pressurise the government of Pakistan?


We have been trying our best to keep in touch with Pakistani women's organisations, invite them to our events and participate in theirs. But, unfortunately, they are not in a position to pressurise the government of Pakistan to change its policies. They have their own colossal problems. They are victims of "honour killing", as the women of India are suffering from being killed for dowry. We understand their difficulties.

Are there any prominent Pakistani personalities who support your endeavours?

Fortunately, there are several Pakistani personalities, who support our endeavours among them: Asma Jehangir, Hina Jelani, Professor Mubarak Ali, Ahmed Bashir, Afrasiab Khattak, Marshal Asghar Khan, Syeda Abida Hussain, Mariana Babar, Neghat Said Khan, Mahnaz Rafi, to name some.

Despite the Taliban restrictions, RAWA still manages to run schools and bakeries and help in the upliftment of women. How do you manage to do that?


As an organisation with over 20 years of experience of underground work, RAWA is quite able to run its numerous home-based classes, literacy courses, some mobile teams, income generation projects, etc, in Afghanistan. The fascist conditions prevailing, especially in the recent two decades, have educated us to live and continue the hard struggle, even under a theocratic rule more criminal than, say, the terrorist regime of Iran.

How can Indian women's groups help RAWA's activities?

First and foremost, their uncompromising fight against their own fundamentalist forces would be a great help to RAWA. But specifically, they should create and strengthen their relationships with us, invite our representatives for speaking tours, cover our activities, write about the horrible situation in our country, collect funds and supplies for us. More importantly, they should try to pressurise the Indian government to withdraw its shameful recognition of the Rabbani-Masood and Co "government".

Any country claiming to be democratic should by no means support a handful of criminals, who were the starters of the religious fascist domination after the fall of the puppet regime.

Do you envisage at any point in time, the return of democracy and a unified government in Afghanistan?

It'll be difficult to predict something exactly. However, we have no doubt that Taliban's days are numbered. And if their foreign masters do not install their jihadi brothers, Afghanistan will have no option but to resort to democracy.

How have the women of Afghanistan ensured that the Taliban gets the message that there are pockets of courageous women who are resisting their efforts to reduce women to a status "worse than that of animals"?

I think they get the message through our voice in Pakistan and the world printing and electronic media, Payam-e-Zan and other publications, as well as our awareness efforts among the women. Also as mentioned, when we see wild and childish attacks on RAWA in the Taliban's newspapers (The Shariat and others), we know that they have heard RAWA's message.

http://www.rawa.org/tehelka.htm

and due to the heavy fighting and rising crime rates
Remember, this was under the taliban's rule. Wasn't it supposed to be better?
 
Lifting The Veil On Taliban Sex Slavery


Widow Shah Jan sits in an icy room with mud walls in a snowfield on the edge of Kabul. She wipes her tears with the edge of her grimy sweater as she recalls the day in August 1999 when the Taliban set fire to her home in the vineyards of the Shomali Plain and kidnapped her best friend, Nafiza. "The Taliban burst in with their guns and torches," says Shah Jan. "None of us even had time to put on our veils."

With the women stripped of their burkas, it was a simple task for the Taliban invaders to cull the young beauties. Nafiza was one of them. Green-eyed, with raven-black hair that grazed her waist, Nafiza had rushed to help Shah Jan get her three kids out of the burning house. A Taliban fighter spotted the woman with the emerald eyes. She was his prize. With the butt of his AK-47 rifle, he slammed Nafiza into the dust and dragged her, crying and pleading, to the highway. There, Arabs and Pakistanis of al-Qaeda joined the Taliban to sort out the young women from the other villagers. One girl preferred suicide to slavery; she threw herself down a well. Nafiza and women from surrounding villages, numbering in the hundreds, were herded into trucks and buses. They were never seen again.

Only now, two months after the Taliban's fall, are the dirtiest secrets of their persecution of Afghan women coming to light. The Taliban often argued that the brutal restrictions they placed on women were actually a way of revering and protecting the opposite sex. The behavior of the Taliban during the six years they expanded their rule in Afghanistan made a mockery of that claim. The United Nations and relief agencies picked up warning signals of these abuses from women refugees fleeing the conquering Taliban. Now it is clear from the testimony of witnesses and officials of the new government that the ruling clerics systematically abducted women from the Tajik, Uzbek, Hazara and other ethnic minorities they defeated. Stolen women were a reward for victorious battle. And in the cities of Kabul, Mazar-i-Sharif, Jalalabad and Khost, women victims tell of being forced to wed Taliban soldiers and Pakistani and Arab fighters of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network, who later abandoned them. These marriages were tantamount to legalized rape. "They sold these girls," says Ahmad Jan, the Kabul police chief. "The girls were dishonored and then discarded."

In the mud-fortress villages above the Shomali vineyards, more than 600 women vanished in the 1999 Taliban offensive. Yet these abductions are considered such a great dishonor that the victims' families almost never mention them. Says Qadria Yasdon Parast, leader of Freedom Messengers, a Kabul women's rights group: "If you ask about the missing, they'll say, 'Our daughter's dead,' or that she's off married in Pakistan." Many of the women probably did end up in Pakistan--but were sold to brothels or kept as virtual slaves inside homes, say officials from relief agencies. None have come back. Even if they could escape, these women would probably calculate that their families would no longer welcome them.

The trail of the missing Shomali women leads to Jalalabad, not far from the Pakistan border. There, according to eyewitnesses, the women were penned up inside Sar Shahi camp in the desert. The more desirable among them were selected and taken away. Some were trucked to Peshawar with the apparent complicity of Pakistani border guards. Others were taken to Khost, where bin Laden had several training camps. The al-Qaeda Arabs had a hard time finding voluntary brides among the Afghan women, but they did have money. One Arab in Khost spent $10,000 on a teenage Afghan beauty, says Ahmad Jan, but abandoned her a week later, when the U.S. air strikes began.

Orders to abduct women came from the Taliban leaders, say the Kabul police, but not all commanders obeyed. In the Shomali Plain, Taliban commander Nuruludah says, he saw women being forced onto trucks by Pakistani members of al-Qaeda, so he gathered 10 men, ambushed the trucks and released the women. In Jalalabad too, a few local Taliban eventually stormed the camp and freed the women who remained there. These were the heroic exceptions. For others, apparently, the profound degradation of women seemed perfectly tolerable.

With reporting by Hannah Bloch/Islamabad

http://www.rawa.org/time.htm

The last paragraph shows that there were some heroic exceptions in the taliban that opposed this behaviour.
 
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What has the role of Pakistan been in helping Taliban?

It is an open secret that Taliban are a creation of Pakistan and the US, just as the jihadis are dependent on Russia, Central Asian Republics (CAR), Iran and India.



This information is wrong
Pakistani people do supported them and some still do
but Pakistan Government or people didn't created Taliban
Yes i can say that people helped them when whole world left them alone
but they didn't created them

:w:
 
silent observer,

RAWA, means revolutionary association of the women of afghanistan.

they are a maoist organisation aiming to bring in a strict maoist state to afghanistan and are almost entirely made up of women who lost their western privilages when the communists lost power or their newer recruits who have been recruited to their kuffar idiology.

they lie repeatedly, for example you know the pictures of the women being wheeled out of hospital and stories of women being thrown out of mixed wards? that came from RAWA. the truth was they were being moved to newer single sex hospitals but heay why let the truth get in the way of a good story.

these people are liars, not even worthy to be taken as slaves, clear open apostates who deny the law of Allah and so should be executed when they are found unless they repent and then should be monitored and watched, not trusted more than a snake because they are far less trustworthy than snakes.

Abu Abdullah
 
silent observer,

RAWA, means revolutionary association of the women of afghanistan.

they are a maoist organisation aiming to bring in a strict maoist state to afghanistan and are almost entirely made up of women who lost their western privilages when the communists lost power or their newer recruits who have been recruited to their kuffar idiology.

they lie repeatedly, for example you know the pictures of the women being wheeled out of hospital and stories of women being thrown out of mixed wards? that came from RAWA. the truth was they were being moved to newer single sex hospitals but heay why let the truth get in the way of a good story.

these people are liars, not even worthy to be taken as slaves, clear open apostates who deny the law of Allah and so should be executed when they are found unless they repent and then should be monitored and watched, not trusted more than a snake because they are far less trustworthy than snakes.

Abu Abdullah

funny how these women are liars but if you post an american doing this to someone it is automatically the truth and americans are the bad guys... interesting how one sided a group of people can be

http://www.islamicboard.com/world-affairs/36137-americans-have-raped-me-like-cwies-9.html
 
peace be upon those who follow righteous guidence,

mtaffi,

it wasnt their allegations of taking slaves after a town refused to accept islamic law and rule that i disputed, i know that happened in afghanistan and is in accordance with islamic law.

but many of their other allegations are either untrue or exagerations at best.

i am pointing out they lie and have lied many times so everything they say should be varified to establish the truth. someone from RAWA tells me it is day i would look out of the window expecting it to be dark and be suprised if it wasnt.

peace,
Abu Abdullah
 
peace be upon those who follow righteous guidence,

but many of their other allegations are either untrue or exagerations at best.

peace,
Abu Abdullah

i could say the same of many islamic militant groups
 
i could say the same of many islamic militant groups

you could indeed, and if you ever do i will ask you to prove your allegations.

but in this particular case i now i am right, as i have made an extensive research on this topic and almost all anti taliban stories used in the west come from RAWA and their credability is zero in my eyes.

Abu Abdullah
 
again i could say the same of islamic militant groups, what makes RAWA's credibility so bad? Have you met these women personally?

they promote kufr, disbelief. look at their own english website. they believe in secular democracy, or say they do. maoists will tend to say anything until they get in power and then they differ very little from other communists.

Allah tells the believers in the Quran, that if a open sinner comes to you with news to varify it.

now too many muslims have accepted the lies of RAWA without question but they are certainly Fasiq's, open sinners because their whole idiology is disbelief in Islam and seeking to neuter islam as a way of life.

so this is why to me their credibility is so bad, even if several of their lies hadnt been pointed out to me in the past, still i would question them.

Abu Abdullah
 
Ya Muslims , These kafirs who bring these Allegations have no basis and have no true knowledge of who the Taliban are. Do not debate over senseless topics because whether or not you present the truth they will not believe you. They dont believe the Quran so how can they believe the Sharia?
 
silent observer,

RAWA, means revolutionary association of the women of afghanistan.

they are a maoist organisation aiming to bring in a strict maoist state to afghanistan and are almost entirely made up of women who lost their western privilages when the communists lost power or their newer recruits who have been recruited to their kuffar idiology.

they lie repeatedly, for example you know the pictures of the women being wheeled out of hospital and stories of women being thrown out of mixed wards? that came from RAWA. the truth was they were being moved to newer single sex hospitals but heay why let the truth get in the way of a good story.

these people are liars, not even worthy to be taken as slaves, clear open apostates who deny the law of Allah and so should be executed when they are found unless they repent and then should be monitored and watched, not trusted more than a snake because they are far less trustworthy than snakes.

Abu Abdullah

Proof please. At this point there is no reason to believe what you say. Personally I think it is a lie to cover for the taliban.

you could indeed, and if you ever do i will ask you to prove your allegations.
By your own words. Proof please.
 
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they promote kufr, disbelief. look at their own english website. they believe in secular democracy, or say they do. maoists will tend to say anything until they get in power and then they differ very little from other communists.

Allah tells the believers in the Quran, that if a open sinner comes to you with news to varify it.

now too many muslims have accepted the lies of RAWA without question but they are certainly Fasiq's, open sinners because their whole idiology is disbelief in Islam and seeking to neuter islam as a way of life.

so this is why to me their credibility is so bad, even if several of their lies hadnt been pointed out to me in the past, still i would question them.

Abu Abdullah

It is taught in islam to never say that a person that claims to be muslim is not a muslim.
 
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