Do you hate Americans?

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Join the club. Even the republicans hate him and that is saying something. I can't wait till '08!!!

Umm...not really. Since I know something of Bush due to his public profile, I have decided I like Bush, but blindly hate the other 299,999,999 Americans. After all, how many dinner parties have you been to where you have to sit next to someone you have never met and they slurp their soup or something of the sort, so you can't stand them after 5 minutes.

I woulod like to thank the discussants for helping me to formulate my hatred of Americans. Thanks :happy:
 
Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi
wabarakaathu

people should not discrimimate others on the basis of cast,religion,colour,etc.
I have read it is not allowed for a person to hate another unless u see him do an evil or kafir deed.
I personally feel that nobody has the right to hate anybody because he is a muslim or nonmuslim.A muslim should not hate a person because he is a nonmuslim because as long as he is alive he can convert to a muslim and seek Allah forgiveness.And as for a muslim he is not allowed to hate another muslim or nonmuslim.

PRAY FOR ALL.
 
well before i say something i would to make all muslims confirm with the authentication of ALLAH:-

"O Mankind, we created you from a single pair of a male and a female, and made you in to " tribes and nations " so that you may know each other (not that you despise each other). Verily, the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is he who is most righteous of you." (Al-Quran, Chapter 49, Verse 13)

so what about the muslims if they are born in AMERICA OR ISRAEL OR BRITAIN is that your mistake ofcourse Allah the greatest created them and made them born in the land where he wishes.So if your in middleeast the land of arabia then your a good muslim,if you keep this kind of thinking then it means you are not a complete muslim,it means you lack knowledge of islam and talk about islam.

see brothers and sisters there are humans in every country who are good and who are bad,there are mulims also and there are kafirs also,Allah created all of us i mean the muslims as well as kafirs equally in every land.But Allah and his messenger gave us the path of how to stay in the land with peace and harmony with the brothers and sisters as well as with the kafirs.

everything is Allah's why sould we hate the land of his beautiful creation:offended: .Its the "badpeople" who are bad who want trouble in the land .

109- The Disbelievers (Al-Kaaferoon)

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In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

[109:1] Say, "O you disbelievers.

[109:2] "I do not worship what you worship.

[109:3] "Nor do you worship what I worship.

[109:4] "Nor will I ever worship what you worship.

[109:5] "Nor will you ever worship what I worship.

[109:6] "To you is your religion, and to me is my religion."

114- People (Al-Naas)

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In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

[114:1] Say, "I seek refuge in the Lord of the people.

[114:2] "The King of the people.

[114:3] "The god of the people.

[114:4] "From the evils of sneaky whisperers.

[114:5] "Who whisper into the chests of the people.

[114:6] "Be they of the jinns, or the people."

SO THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT HATING .ITS THE PEOPLE WHO" WANT WAR"THEY ARE THE ONES BAD.THEY CREATE TROUBLE NOT THE INNOCENT.THEY ARE BAD WHO even knowing and intensinally VOTE FOR BAD.THEY ARE THE ONES WHO WANT WAR AND THEY ARE ONES TO BE HATED.AND NO DOUBT THEY ARE THE ONES BAD.

“Verily, the Mujrimoon (criminals, sinners, disbelievers) will be in the torment of Hell to abide therein forever.

(The torment) will not be lightened for them, and they will be plunged into destruction with deep regrets, sorrows and in despair therein.

We wronged them not, but they were the Zaalimoon (polytheists, wrongdoers).

And they will cry: ‘O Malik (Keeper of Hell)! Let your Lord make an end of us.” He will say: “Verily, you shall abide forever.’

Indeed We have brought the truth (Muhammad with the Qur’aan) to you, but most of you have a hatred for the truth”

[al-Zukhruf 43:74]

SO NO DOUBT WETHER YOU BORN IN ANY COUNTRY ITS ALLAH'S WISH AND NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO GO AGAINST ALLAH “Allaah is the Creator of all things” [al-Ra’d 13:16]

“Verily, We have created man from Nutfah (drops) of mixed semen (sexual discharge of man and woman), in order to try him, so We made him hearer and seer.

Verily, We showed him the way, whether he be grateful or ungrateful” [al-Insaan 76:2]

“Who has created death and life that He may test you which of you is best in deed”

[al-Mulk 67:2]

jazakllahallahkhair.
 
Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi
wabarakaathu

people should not discrimimate others on the basis of cast,religion,colour,etc.
I have read it is not allowed for a person to hate another unless u see him do an evil or kafir deed.
I personally feel that nobody has the right to hate anybody because he is a muslim or nonmuslim.A muslim should not hate a person because he is a nonmuslim because as long as he is alive he can convert to a muslim and seek Allah forgiveness.And as for a muslim he is not allowed to hate another muslim or nonmuslim.

PRAY FOR ALL.

Thank you Manu. A very sensible philosphy. The only problem I have with your statement is the mildy offensive notion that a non-Muslim only has worth because he might convert to Islam later. I don't think you meant it to be offensive, however. :happy:

Why don't you run for something..so you can speak out publicly as a moderate and caliming voice? :shade:
 
tomtomsmom

are you some form of ultra liberal? I keep reading your posts and it is like you have no pride in your country. Have you forgotten the attacks on NYC? The thousands that died in those towers because of a radical group that was angry because we helped a country he didnt want us to, who belongs to one of the same groups that are the root of the violence in Iraq today. I do not always agree with what Bush does but I will say this, I would rather live with him as a leader than some Islamic ruler who wants to run the country or world rather under Islamic Law. Many of these people are absolute barbarians, they have lived in tents, caves, mudhouses or whatever much of their lives and then come out firing rockets and setting off bombs after training in a desert camp for a year. Do you not think that there is a war out there to fight? Do you not think if we left all these countries that our embassies and country wouldnt be attacked again? Look at the last 20 years and you will see this isnt the case. You may want to consider who you align yourself with, take a look at Zukliflim he sees an American and goes the other way, I see a Muslim and treat him as I would anyone else no matter what some of his people may have done to mine.

Also I notice you hate Republicans, so are you a democrat, let look at the two:

Republic
Pro Life (no abortion)
No Gay Marriage
Believe all should be equal
Stop illegal immigration
Less mudslinging
Good for the Rich
Strong leadership (in most cases)

Democrat
Pro Choice (for abortion)
Support Gay Marriage
Believe in breaks for minorities
Want to make the illegals legal
Mudsling like crazy (will do or say anything to get in office)
Good for the poor
Weak leadership (mostly cowards and idiots)


No I have not forgotten what happened on 9/11. That day will be burned into my brain untill the day I die. I can tell you exactly what I was doing when Katie Courick came in the tv saying the tower was on fire and I sat and watched the second plane fly into the towers. That was and always will be a terrible day in US history and my heart goes out to everyone who lost someone dear to them becasue of it. But the actions taken after the attack in my opinion were wrong. There has to have been a better way to handle it. To go to start a fruitless war with two countries is counter productive. This war has not helped. If anything it has made foreign relations worse. There is a bigger hatred for America now more than ever. Does that make us safer?? I align myself with people who want peace in this world. If that makes me an ultra liberal then so be it.

As for me hating republicans that is not true. Every one is intitled to their own oppinion. Just because I don't agree with them doesn't mean that I hate them. Hate is the reason this world is in the state is is now.

On your republican vs democrat I notice you put republicans are against gay marriage yet want everyone to be equal. A bit contradicting if you ask me. And yes they are good for the rich. Perhaps if I was rich I might find that as a good thing. But considering I fit into the category of too rich to be poor and too poor to be rich then their policies do me no good.
And yes, under certain circumstances I think abortion should be legal. This is supposed to be the land of the free. And if a woman wants to marry a woman then that is their business. Though I don't personally agree with it it is their choice on how to live their lives. And as for imagrants I think Carlos Menciea has the right idea. If we kick them all out then there goes the work force. You may not like the idea of making them legal but they do provide valuable services to this country. And even if we do kick them out, they will come back. Why not make them legal so they have to pay taxes just like the rest of us? And the republicans have had their fair share of mudslinging and weak leadership.
 
I agree with Islamway, and I think that was a great post. As an American, I find this discussion to be kind of offensive. I thought one of the "unwritten" rules of this board was that we don't pass judgements on large, diverse groups of people based on the actions of a few?
 
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Umm...not really. Since I know something of Bush due to his public profile, I have decided I like Bush, but blindly hate the other 299,999,999 Americans. After all, how many dinner parties have you been to where you have to sit next to someone you have never met and they slurp their soup or something of the sort, so you can't stand them after 5 minutes.

I woulod like to thank the discussants for helping me to formulate my hatred of Americans. Thanks :happy:

I did not mean that ALL republicans are against Bush. But he has lost the backing of alot of people in his party.
 
"I only created jinn and man to worship Me" (Surat adh-Dhariyat, 56).

ONE HAS TO ASK QUESTION TO HIMSELF OR HERSELF WETHER YOU BORN IN ANY COUNRY YOU ARE BORN FOR A PURPOSE.

Make a metaphor for them of the life of this world. It is like water that We send down from the sky; the plants of the ground combine with it, but then become dry chaff scattered by the winds. Allah has absolute power over everything. Wealth and sons are the embellishment of the life of this world. But, in your Lord's sight, right actions that are lasting bring a better reward and are a better basis for hope. (Surat al-Kahf, 45-46)

Say: "Shall I inform you of the greatest losers in their actions? People whose efforts in the life of this world are misguided while they suppose that they are doing good." Those are the people who reject their Lord's Signs and the meeting with Him. Their actions will come to nothing and, on the Day of Resurrection, We will not assign them any weight. (Surat al-Kahf, 103-5)

We did not give any human being before you immortality. And if you die, will they then be immortal? Every person will taste death. We test you with both good and evil as a trial. And you will be returned to Us. (Surat al-Anbiya', 34-35)

JAZAKALLAHKHAIR.
 
I agree with Islamway, and I think that was a great post. As an American, I find this discussion to be kind of offensive. I thought one of the "unwritten" rules of this board was that we don't pass judgements on large, diverse groups of people based on the actions of a few?

I am sorry that you find this thread offensive. It started from another thread where there was a brother that said he hated all americans. I simply wanted to find out why he hated ALL americans and not just the bad ones. This is a thread to discuss that and hopefully show that not all americans are bad people. Once again sister I am sorry to have offended you.
 
No I have not forgotten what happened on 9/11. That day will be burned into my brain untill the day I die. I can tell you exactly what I was doing when Katie Courick came in the tv saying the tower was on fire and I sat and watched the second plane fly into the towers. That was and always will be a terrible day in US history and my heart goes out to everyone who lost someone dear to them becasue of it. But the actions taken after the attack in my opinion were wrong. There has to have been a better way to handle it. To go to start a fruitless war with two countries is counter productive. This war has not helped. If anything it has made foreign relations worse. There is a bigger hatred for America now more than ever. Does that make us safer?? I align myself with people who want peace in this world. If that makes me an ultra liberal then so be it.

And do you think that the people who want to take over Iraq or afghanistan would make our country safer. By simply preventing certain groups from coming to power it makes our country safer. There hasnt been another attack on US soil has there? Not that I know of, I actually feel safer flying on planes now than I did before 9/11, why you might ask? Because this has been going on a lot longer than 9/11.. Bill Clinton (a worthless democrat) could have taken bin Laden out long before 9/11 but didnt because he didnt want to stir the pot, so what happened someone else did it for him only he wasnt lucky enough to be in office. Tell me what would you have done if you were Bush and this all happened on your clock?

As for me hating republicans that is not true. Every one is intitled to their own oppinion. Just because I don't agree with them doesn't mean that I hate them. Hate is the reason this world is in the state is is now.

agreed

On your republican vs democrat I notice you put republicans are against gay marriage yet want everyone to be equal. A bit contradicting if you ask me. And yes they are good for the rich. Perhaps if I was rich I might find that as a good thing. But considering I fit into the category of too rich to be poor and too poor to be rich then their policies do me no good.
And yes, under certain circumstances I think abortion should be legal. This is supposed to be the land of the free. And if a woman wants to marry a woman then that is their business. Though I don't personally agree with it it is their choice on how to live their lives. And as for imagrants I think Carlos Menciea has the right idea. If we kick them all out then there goes the work force. You may not like the idea of making them legal but they do provide valuable services to this country. And even if we do kick them out, they will come back. Why not make them legal so they have to pay taxes just like the rest of us? And the republicans have had their fair share of mudslinging and weak leadership.

Gays are not equal and they choose not to be when they choose to be with the same sex. Abortion is wrong no matter how you cut it, especially since there are so many that cant have children that would gladly adopt someone's "would be" murdered baby. Carlos Mencia is hilarious but not someone I would quote or consult with on immigration. This is because the illegals want to stay but they still wouldnt be paying taxes, which is the main problem, yeah they work and do dirty jobs, but it isnt like people werent here doing it before they were, and believe me America could survive without them. You know I saw some people on the news the other day killed by a drunk illegal mexican with no insurance or driver license, and left a family devastated with no route to take for justice.. why because you need someone to clean the toilets and cut the grass. I say send them home and let them apply for citizenship just like everyone else. Illegal is illegal
 
And do you think that the people who want to take over Iraq or afghanistan would make our country safer. By simply preventing certain groups from coming to power it makes our country safer. There hasnt been another attack on US soil has there? Not that I know of, I actually feel safer flying on planes now than I did before 9/11, why you might ask? Because this has been going on a lot longer than 9/11.. Bill Clinton (a worthless democrat) could have taken bin Laden out long before 9/11 but didnt because he didnt want to stir the pot, so what happened someone else did it for him only he wasnt lucky enough to be in office. Tell me what would you have done if you were Bush and this all happened on your clock?



agreed



Gays are not equal and they choose not to be when they choose to be with the same sex. Abortion is wrong no matter how you cut it, especially since there are so many that cant have children that would gladly adopt someone's "would be" murdered baby. Carlos Mencia is hilarious but not someone I would quote or consult with on immigration. This is because the illegals want to stay but they still wouldnt be paying taxes, which is the main problem, yeah they work and do dirty jobs, but it isnt like people werent here doing it before they were, and believe me America could survive without them. You know I saw some people on the news the other day killed by a drunk illegal mexican with no insurance or driver license, and left a family devastated with no route to take for justice.. why because you need someone to clean the toilets and cut the grass. I say send them home and let them apply for citizenship just like everyone else. Illegal is illegal

What would I have done- Not sure, but I wouldn't have announced that I was coming for them. That only gave them a chance to run.

Homosexuals-They are people just like anyone else. Just because they are different does not make them less human.

Abortion-Yes there are many people who cannot have children and that is very sad. There are also thousands of children is the foster care system already that need good homes. I said under certain circumstances abortion should be legal. If you are some stupid girl who sleeps around and gets knocked up then that is your fault. But if you are raped and then get pregnant from that I don't think that the woman/girl should be forced to have that baby. She did not have the choice to have sex but she should have the choice on if she should have to give birth to her rapists baby.
 
What would I have done- Not sure, but I wouldn't have announced that I was coming for them. That only gave them a chance to run.
I wouldnt have announced it either but it seems everything has to be put past someone anymore, he couldnt just invade he had to declare war

Homosexuals-They are people just like anyone else. Just because they are different does not make them less human.
It makes them nasty humans

Abortion-Yes there are many people who cannot have children and that is very sad. There are also thousands of children is the foster care system already that need good homes. I said under certain circumstances abortion should be legal. If you are some stupid girl who sleeps around and gets knocked up then that is your fault. But if you are raped and then get pregnant from that I don't think that the woman/girl should be forced to have that baby. She did not have the choice to have sex but she should have the choice on if she should have to give birth to her rapists baby.

The rape instance is the only instance where I could partially agree, but only partially because it still isnt the babies fault that it was conceived, so why should its life be ended so soon? That is a discussion for somewhere else though, but I can understand your point
 
What is Islam?
The Arabic word 'Islam' stands for 'Submission' or 'Peace'. In a religious context, it implies the peace that reaches out to one when one completely submits oneself to the will of Almighty God. This is achieved only when the individual acts in accordance with the direction of his Creator in all spheres of life.


Who is Muslim?
The word 'Muslim' means one who has submitted oneself to the Omnipotent Creator. A true Muslim is one who has disciplined his life in accordance with the instructions conveyed by God through His messengers. A person becomes a Muslim not by birth alone, but by his faith and deeds.

"We have not sent thee but as a (Messenger) to all mankind, giving them glad tidings, and warning them (against sin), but most men know not." Holy Qur'an 37:15

How are the societies that have been conceived by Islaam?
"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other not that may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things)."

Islaam teaches that all men are the creations of the One and Only God and that they exist under His protection. It is from a single matter, the essence of clay, that everyone has been created. The origin of all humanity is from the first parents - Adam and Eve. The distinctions that men have created have absolutely no place before the Almighty who created them. The worship offered only to One True God is the source of strength that can unite mankind. Narrow mindedness and shriveled outlook disappear when one prostrates before the almighty. When one realizes that faith and good deeds alone are what makes a man noble in the presence of God, all hastiness and arrogance fostered by pride and vanity and he becomes humble and pious. With the realization that there is only one God, and that all men are His servants, with no distinction between the rich and the poor, the native and the foreigner, the fair and the dark, the elite and the lowly, the master and the slave, they prostrate only before him, the Almighty, the Merciful. This is the picture of the society that has been conceived by Islam, a society without narrow boundaries.

What does Islaam say about the neighbourhood?

I swear in His Name, Who holds my life, no man is a true believer unless he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself.

Know that you are good if your neighbours speak well of you. Know that you are bad if your neighbours speak badly about you. Prophet Muhammed (PBUH)

Just as relationship in a family, Islaam views that the relationship between neighbours ought to be warm and cordial. The Prophet (PBUH) advised decent behaviour to the neighbours without causing any kind of disturbance to them. He taught us to take into account the opinion of the neighbour with regard to one's character and personality. It is clear that the mutual responsibility amongst neighbours is indeed significant, as exemplified by the advice of the Prophet when he said that no true Muslim fills his belly when his neighbour is starving and that should be considered even if one has to dilute the broth by adding a little water.

Can a Muslim be communal?
Islaam teaches that it is not one's birth, but good deeds and faith that determine one's nobility. The Islaamic slogan "One God for one mankind" aims at eliminating all the narrow views, like communalism, casteism, racism etc. Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) declared in plain words that "He who invites to communalism, fights and dies for communalism, not belong to us". The followers of Muhammed (PBUH) therefore can never be communal.

What should be the approach of Muslims towards non-Muslims?
The teachings of Islam states that the Muslim community should coexist in complete harmony and tolerance with people of other religious communities. The Qur'an prescribes that as long as the other communities do not oppress the members of the Muslim community, they ought to coexist in love and tolerance. This has been demonstrated by Muhammed (PBUH) through his life. Even the subjects of a Caliphate have no right to hamper the freedom of faith nor the freedom of worship of the non-Muslim citizens. The ruler is liable for the complete protection of their lives and property. The Prophet (PBUH) has taught that it is an unpardonable sin to be unjust to non-Muslim citizens.

"Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: For Allah loveth those who are just." Holy Qur'an 60:8

How did Islaam spread in the world?
The reason for the rapid spread of Islaam was the attraction that the thinking people developed towards an ideal free from superstition upholding the worship of the 'One and Only God', the Creator and the pursuit of His messengers. It was only natural for those thinking people to be drawn to the practice of a faith that sought the path of 'surrender to God', at a time when their perceptions were fogged by false deities, and their agents who posed as priests. The ideal of 'One God, one humanity', simultaneously put forth by Islaam, uproots the parochial beliefs put up in the name of ones birth. The access to the message of 'one humanity' experienced by those who were being oppressed in the name of religion and caste, further led to the propagation of Islaam. The selfless and sincere lives led by Muslims who migrated different parts of the world for business purposes and the like, also drew the people of those countries to Islaam.

To this day, Islaam, which occupies the mind of man though manifold noble ways, continues to influence the thoughts and deeds of millions of peoples in all continents around the world, with its sterling ideals.
 
No, don't worry TomTomsMom I didn't mean you at all, I understand you just wanted to continue a discussion I just meant the kinds of ideas that were being expressed here...
 
No, don't worry TomTomsMom I didn't mean you at all, I understand you just wanted to continue a discussion I just meant the kinds of ideas that were being expressed here...

In my opinion if negative comments can be brought out into the open and discussed peacefully it opens the door for either the comments to be shown to be false or if true give the offender the chance to see the error.

I can honestly understand why so many non-Americans believe they hate America and Americans. There is as much of a propaganda war taking place to show the evils of America as America perpetrates to show the good of Amarica.

The truth is someplace in between. But, the overall thing that matters is how any individual person is, not where he is from or what he claims to be.

It is up to you and me to be the best we can be and to truly live in accordance with our beliefs beyond that it is up to each of us to see each person we meet as a person and not as a label.
 
Hate is a strong term, I dont hate Americans. On a demonic anti-Islam and anti-Muslim forum there are some really nasty and arrogent Americans as well as people from other countries (they hate Muslims with a passion) but I dont want to generalise. On this forum there are really nice, pleasent Americans. People have different views and America is pretty diverse. They are people like me. Generally I like to think the good in people until proven otherwise.
 
I don't hate Americans. I don't blame the people for the stupidity of certain of their leaders' actions.
 
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