Is this a good Refutation? 'Was Islam Spread by the Sword?'

[wilberhum]

It's not me who's thinking. And I do have more than a clue about who the Banu Qurayza were. They agreed to aid the Meccans in their attack on Medina. That's asking to be slaughtered.

I think this is the 3 time.
My point has nothing to do with who or why there were executed.
It only has to do with those that were not executed and why.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Which u keep ignoring, btw. Shall i repeat it step by step like this?:
The Bani Qurayza.
broke the Treaty they signed.
which was supposed too protect.
the people of Madina.
so they can attack.
the Muslims...Comprende? or am i going too fast?

 

[wilberhum]

Which u keep ignoring, btw. Shall i repeat it step by step like this?:
The Bani Qurayza
broke the Treaty they signed
which was supposed too protect
the people of Madina.
so they can attack
the Muslims...Comprende?

Totally.
Do you have any comprende about those that did not die and why?

 

[Snowflake]

I think this is the 3 time.
My point has nothing to do with who or why there were executed.
It only has to do with those that were not executed and why.

lol

I haven't read the previous posts.. so have no idea who you mean?

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Because when you revert to Islam, your past sins are forgiven. They didnt continue killing like the rest. Those that continued to do it were not Muslim.
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E? Im definitely gunna get beat down for this LOL.

 

[Snowflake]

Oh now am on track ;D

 

[wilberhum]

lol

I haven't read the previous posts.. so have no idea who you mean?

Then why don't you read prior post instad of joining in when you don't know what is being addressed. :rant: :rant:

I see you are on track now. Good.

 

[wilberhum]

Because when you revert to Islam, your past sins are forgiven. They didnt continue killing like the rest. Those that continued to do it were not Muslim.
C
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P
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E? Im definitely gunna get beat down for this LOL.

So, they converted to Islam to be spaired the Sword. Kinda my point!

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

NO! man u dont get it. If it was the other way around like they were killed after reverting, you'd be saying how unjust it is. So either way ur view wouldnt change.

 

[Snowflake]

Then why don't you read prior post instad of joining in when you don't know what is being addressed. :rant: :rant:

lol I started from when u replied me, that didn't include previous posts. Are u really angry?

 

[wilberhum]

Well duh!! If u get the concept! which is MY point.

I have always understood your concept. Do you understand mine?

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Sorry i changed that, i realized what u said. And yes i do, which is incorrect for the bazillionth time! If u did understand it, you wouldnt be asking the same thing over and over. I only gave u bits and peices. How can u understand me when u didnt understand the people who gave u ALL of the info?

Anyways im out, i sense someone watching me :X

Peace

 

[brenton]

It is one thing to offer death or money or food (when you are starving) in exchange for conversion.
It is different for someone to convert for gain--avoid taxes or negative incentives, to rise in ranks, financial partnerships, etc.
Different things.

This thread is not titled: has anyone ever been compelled to convert to Islam. I am sure there are cases--I've read about them, and that is just what corrupt humans do sometimes.

Instead, the thread is titled: "Was Islam Spread by the Sword?" "Sword" is symbollic for a systematic forced conversion experience. If you take the phrase literally, yes, Islam was spread that way because along with the politics and war and empire building of early and later Islam, people converted. But I don't think the corelation is necessarily direct.

 

[Maidah]

So, they converted to Islam to be spaired the Sword. Kinda my point!

Firts of all i would say that boi you aint getting the point. To me it seems like you've already made up your mind about not wanting to understand the point. Like many people have already told you that they were beheaded because of their transgression. If islam really was spread by the sword than why would there still be so many disbeleivers even at that time. We could have had everyone being converted to islam using the sword. Even today there would be no point in dawah, we could just follow the actions of that time and use teh sword. Look at spain, muslim ruled it for so long, if we had really used the sword wouldn't spain be a muslim country today, like malaysia. No one went there with a sword. And even today so many people are converting to islam in US, who has got a sword on their head. Think about it now when there is so much going on in the media, people in US could easily choose not to convert as they may get into trouble. I'm not saying the sword wasn't there but not for the reason you think it was. I really think you should litsen to Dr.Zakir Naik and kinda try to get this thing the right way around you.

It may have been a bit repetitive or off the topic but i really hope you get the point.

May Allah forgive me for saying or referring to something incorrect.

 

[wilberhum]

they were beheaded because of their transgression.

I think I stated 4 times that it had nothing to do with why they were executed.

If islam really was spread by the sword than why would there still be so many disbeleivers

Well one would have to be totally ignorant and stuped to think that Islam was only spread by the sword. I think I made that point in my first post.
Did you not read it, or did you just forget.

spain, muslim ruled it for so long, if we had really used the sword wouldn't spain be a muslim country today

Well who would ever think that converersion by the sword would last? If the conversions were real then Spain would be a Muslim country.

This as in all things, when you say or imply all, you are always wrong.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

This as in all things, when you say or imply all, you are always wrong.

Speak for yourself mate.

 

[wilberhum]

Speak for yourself mate.

I only speak for myself. I can speak for no one else and no one else can speak for me.

Who do you speak for?

 

[Maidah]

This as in all things, when you say or imply all, you are always wrong.[/QUOTE]

You know what ya we're not wrong, it's just as an agnostic your job is to doubt the truth of religion to find the truth. You have all right to question and but the fact that our statements aint satisfying to you is your problem, not us being wrong. A lot of ppl have provided reference to their explantion, why dont't you provide an explanation to why there is still people converting to islam today?

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

If the conversions were fake, then why did the Christian rulers feel the need to force Muslims to convert? Or are u gunna say thats fake too

 

[- Qatada -]

:salamext:

No worries, he gets the point but doesn't want to accept it. The law is in the governments hands and they apply the law according to their beliefs. The same way the nations do today. They release who they feel they should, and they kill whoever they want. Atleast the muslims stuck to their part of the treaty.

By the way the Banu Quraydha actually payed the jizya, thats how they stayed in Medina for a while. Until the treason occured.



Anyway thread closed.