Why do muslims use the bible if they don't 'believe' in it?

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Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

ACC said:
Maybe we have a thread for this, not sure. Why did God have Jesus be born of a Virgin and not experience death but mohamed was born normally and died (or am I wrong here, he was raised to Heaven too, wast he?)?
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The same can be said about Prophet Adam though, how come God created him without a father or a mother? :) So you see that God does whatever He wills, out of His eternal wisdom.

We also know that Jesus son of Mary never died, rather he was raised upto God. Why? Because he will come down again, since he is the Messiah - and he will slay the anti christ. If he died and then came to slay the anti-christ, that would mean that someone who's died has come back to this world, which doesn't make sense, since once someone dies - they leave this world and they cannot enter this world again. That's what death represents.

So by Jesus actually not being killed, he will return to this world since his mission isn't fulfilled yet. Then once his mission is fulfilled, he will marry and have children, then he will die a natural death and then be raised infront of His Lord on the Day of Judgement. And he will be a dweller of God's paradise in God's Mercy.


Muhammad (peace be upon him) fulfilled his mission, and therefore he died a natural death. He will also be raised up on the day of Judgement and we know without a doubt that the prophets of God will be rewarded for their good. Because God is the Most Just, and who is truer to His word than Allaah? No-one. If we obey the Messengers of God and submit to God by accepting all the prophets, we hope to be of those who will gain God's Mercy and pleasure, and we hope our final abode is the true home of Paradise.



And Allaah knows best.


Regards. :)

 
fi sabilah, what "anti islamic" articles are you talking about? i havent posted any links to anything smh

secondly, look at how lengthy that "explanation" was, the Qu'ran is said to be very clear and direct as to cause no confusion, yet the different accounts of man's creation stated in the Qu'ran are clearly cause for confusion hence the necessary in-depth explanation you provided
You say that all the different quotes i posted are just "stages" in which man was created, i.e how a pizza is made from flour, dough etc. The metaphorical description of God making man out of the dust or clay of the earth is ancient and predates the Qur'an by thousands of years; it is found in the Bible in Genesis 2:7.

Surah 86:6
He is created from a drop emitted-
Khuliqa min ma-in dafiqin

86:7 Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:
Yakhruju min bayni alssulbi waalttara-ibi

86:8 Surely (Allah) is able to bring him back (to life)

^ this passage claims that the "ejected liquid" i.e sperm originates from between the spine and the ribs. what is your "explanation" for that? semen is created in a region far below the ribs, at least in humans it is.
 
Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

Fi_Sabilillah said:



We also know that Jesus son of Mary never died, rather he was raised upto God.
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who is we? and biblical and actual historical accounts of Jesus' crucifixion are wrong i suppose...
 
Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

westcoast said:
who is we? and biblical and actual historical accounts of Jesus' crucifixion are wrong i suppose...
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I like that you didnt refer to the Bible as a Historical Account. That's nice, rather that theres a Biblical account and a Historical.

Well, it would be impressive if there was hardcore historical evidence of the death of Jesus, why? because then people couldn't deny his existance. If such hardcore evidence existed then people wouldnt be able to or even think about denying existance of the person that is Jesus.
 
Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

Al Habeshi said:
So let me ask you, within the 5 books of Moses there is no other prophecy yea?
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Uh, the thought of Moses only prophecy being that of the quoted Deutoronomy verse is pretty sad. this being said, a close examination of Moses' other prophecies clearly deal with different matters, as can be seen/read in books such as Deutoronomy and Leviticus

peace
 
Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

westcoast said:
Uh, the thought of Moses only prophecy being that of the quoted Deutoronomy verse is pretty sad. this being said, a close examination of Moses' other prophecies clearly deal with different matters, as can be seen/read in books such as Deutoronomy and Leviticus

peace
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So in the books of Moses the author only prophecies about Jesus once?
 
Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

Al Habeshi said:
I like that you didnt refer to the Bible as a Historical Account. That's nice, rather that theres a Biblical account and a Historical.

Well, it would be impressive if there was hardcore historical evidence of the death of Jesus, why? because then people couldn't deny his existance. If such hardcore evidence existed then people wouldnt be able to or even think about denying existance of the person that is Jesus.
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I dont think a religious text can ever be widely accepted as "actual" historical evidence(except for its followers), for the very reason that both Islam and Christianity both disagree on the events that happened. you cant convince me otherwise and vice versa
 
It's kinda sad since you ignored all my other points, however - here's the explanation to that:

Where does the semen spring from during coitus?

During coitus semen is ejaculated from the two storage areas called the seminal vesicles, and NOT FROM THE TESTICLES.

[FONT=&quot]Let man look at (and bear in mind) the substance he is created from! (He is) created from the surging fluid, which springs from between the spine and the ribs! 86:5-7[/FONT]

What is definitely excluded is the scrotal pouch, which is below the spine! Semen does not spring from there during coitus!

Also excluded is the thorax, since it is not between the ribcage and the spine, but is rather inside the ribcage.

The area not excluded is the abdomen and the pelvic cavity! The Quran is 100% correct. Semen is stored in the seminal vesicles to be ejaculated during coitus.

The exact words of the Quran

The exact Arabic words: Bain usSulbe watTaraib

Sulb = backbone, loin, lower back; Taraib = ribs, breastbone, chest.

Bain = between, among, amidst

It is a phrase in Arabic that is similar to the English phrase, “somewhere between the front and the back”

It would mean that the semen springs from “somewhere between the front and the back” of the body. In other words, somewhere from inside the body!

If one was to insist upon the literal meaning, one would still find that the Quran is 100% correct literally, too. The seminal vesicles are anterior to the sacrum and coccyx (lower back, loin) and the ribs are anterior to the seminal vesicles.

If one was to draw a line from the tip of the coccyx, to the upper portion of the seminal vesicle _ either one of the two_ and extend the line forward it will catch the ribcage.

The seminal vesicles from which the semen spurts out during coitus, lies between the ribs and the coccyx!

[FONT=&quot](He is) created from the surging fluid! Which springs from between the spine and the ribs! 86:6-7[/FONT]

Why does the Quran simply not say, Abdominal cavity?

Only a creator of the universe can reveal words that remain precise and accurate for thousands of years even in this changing world. Every generation feels as if the Quran was revealed specifically for them, and only yesterday.

That is the miracle of the Quran! Its words seem always to be in agreement with what science has observed and determined with certainty.​
 
Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

westcoast said:
I dont think a religious text can ever be widely accepted as "actual" historical evidence(except for its followers), for the very reason that both Islam and Christianity both disagree on the events that happened. you cant convince me otherwise and vice versa
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Well as history goes unless someone believes the Qu'ran to be from God then it'd be illogical to look at it for the historical account of Jesus' life.

But the Qu'ran could be used as historical source to look at the time of Muhammad, where there is any biographical speech refering to Muhammad then the Qu'ran could become a source. This is of course for those who understand that the Qu'ran has not changed.
 
Peace,

theres no need to use the bible at all. Calling to islam is enough but its still a bit amazing that people dont see the flaws in the bible. I'll mention a few if you would like.

Theres incest in it (judah...), a man was ordered to kill his wife for saving his father.

this is all too strange...
 
Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

Al Habeshi said:
So in the books of Moses the author only prophecies about Jesus once?
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No, and i'm sure you'd know this, as you'd probably consider them prophecies about Muhammad, correct?
anyway, here's another, if u care:
"Genesis 49:10
The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs[1] and the obedience of the nations is his. "

prophecy that The Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah, which is reiterated again in Luke 3:23-34

peace
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
Peace,

theres no need to use the bible at all. Calling to islam is enough but its still a bit amazing that people dont see the flaws in the bible. I'll mention a few if you would like.

Theres incest in it (judah...), a man was ordered to kill his wife for saving his father.

this is all too strange...
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yes, there isnt a need to use the Bible; and please dont get into incest, or any kind of sexual related topics, that is by far the easiest accusations against Muhamad that i've seen utilized.
 
Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

Al Habeshi said:

Well as history goes unless someone believes the Qu'ran to be from God then it'd be illogical to look at it for the historical account of Jesus' life.

But the Qu'ran could be used as historical source to look at the time of Muhammad, where there is any biographical speech refering to Muhammad then the Qu'ran could become a source. This is of course for those who understand that the Qu'ran has not changed.
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aside from the Qu'ran, what proof is there that Muhammad existed? Seriously speaking now;
 
Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

westcoast said:
aside from the Qu'ran, what proof is there that Muhammad existed? Seriously speaking now;
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Do you know how to distinguish and ascertain excistance from evidences?
 
Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

westcoast said:
aside from the Qu'ran, what proof is there that Muhammad existed? Seriously speaking now;
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aside from the NT what proof is there that Jesus existed? seriously speaking also... And I use the NT only since Jews don't believe in Jesus as a son or a messenger!
 
Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

westcoast said:
No, and i'm sure you'd know this, as you'd probably consider them prophecies about Muhammad, correct?
anyway, here's another, if u care:
"Genesis 49:10
The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs[1] and the obedience of the nations is his. "

prophecy that The Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah, which is reiterated again in Luke 3:23-34

peace
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And peace be upon you also.

Thanks, well if thats the case then Jesus when he said what he is reported to have said by John could be reffering to this.

You just assume he is reffering to Deuteronomy 18.
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
Westcoast, we actually have a whole science on hadith [the prophetic way, his manners, his character, his life, the lives of his companions etc.] It's all recorded and authenticated etc. so we actually believe with proof instead of doubt.

You can read about the sciences from here:
http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic-sources/37234-rules-governing-criticism-hadeeth.html


I also urge you to read this:
http://www.islamicboard.com/587743-post147.html



Regards.
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okay^
However, it is important to point out that many hadiths are taken as 2nd closest to the Qu'ran in terms of official texts in which Muslims should believe/behave live their lives etc. My friend told me that most Muslims accept these hadiths, but his family does not and turn to only the Qu'ran for their beliefs.
Hadiths were written many years after Muhammad died and many offer grandiose accounts of Muhammad's existence, often times fabricating events to make him look great n what not
examples of this are accounts of "miracles" he supposedly created, which are refuted by the Qu'ran itself. disbelievers questioned muhammad's authenticity, and he said ""Glory to my Lord! Am I aught but a man,- a messenger?" Surah 17:93 along with many other Quranic passages stating that Muhammad was JUST a messenger of the word.
 
If you've actually looked at the link you'll understand the sciences of it, i can make a statement too - but if i don't look at the proofs, then that's just blind following. And by the way - ask your friend how they pray, you learn it from the prophetic way.


All the Messengers of God were humans, yet God gave them miracles by His will. So there is nothing confusing about that because the miracles performed by the prophets can't be replicated by no-one except a true prophet of Allaah. So there is no confusion.
 
^i think i addressed the topic of the prayers in another thread, but i'll repeat it here

where in the Qu'ran does it specifically state that muslims must pray exactly 5 times a day? i'm not saying its not in there, i'm asking because i've looked for it and haven't found it in the Qu'ran itself. if the Qu'ran is the word of Allah, then Muslims must follow what it says, and since they specifically state that prayers = 5 times daily, then it must be in the Qu'ran.

peace
 

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