Guru Nanak Dev Ji a Muslim....?

Hi ultimate.


Is the Guru Granth Sahib revelation from God in the sight of sikhis?

Avar, what are saints? :)
 
Thanks. My question was what the role of saints is in Sikhism? :) And yeah i'd like to see some proof for the claim that it's God's words. :)


Regards.
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
Thanks. My question was what the role of saints is in Sikhism? :) And yeah i'd like to see some proof for the claim that it's God's words. :)


Regards.
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These saints had the Word of God delivered to them. They were enlightened with the verses of God. The truth which was revealed through those spiritual people is in collected.

ਜੈਸੀ ਮੈ ਆਵੈ ਖਸਮ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਤੈਸੜਾ ਕਰੀ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਵੇ ਲਾਲੋ ॥

1 - As the Word of the Forgiving Lord comes to me, so do I express it, O Lalo.

(P. 722, SGGS)

2 - The Word of the True Guru's Bani is the embodiment of Truth; through Gurbani, one becomes perfect.

(P. 304, SGGS)

Guru Nanak declared that he sings and composes only what God Himself tells him. He did not, as some others claim to have done, write words dictated by some angel etc. The Gurus collected and recorded all the Gurbani themselves. They put it in music, so that it will be sung. There is no other such writing


Whatever the Gurus said was as if it came from God's own mouth. Those who ignore it knowingly are in fact, committing a sin. A true test of God's Word, and the Messiah who conveys it, is whether this message joins us with God, whether it makes us realize God's love for us. On the other hand, if a message promotes arguments and fights while trying to make us follow some person or even God, on the basis of punishment or a reward, then, it is not from God - Gurbani achieves the former.

A true religion teaches a sane life, a life that is lived being spiritually in touch with reality. Any teaching that lacks this is, simply, fooling us with false promises that are, sadly, exposed after we die. Often, such teaching is the result of our own misinterpretation of the stories that were invented to coerce us into a religious life. It is time to grow above those stories. Guru Nanak taught that God is the only reality and God is the only one who is eternal. The invisible, God, is the source of life while the visible world represents a constant flow towards death. A true religion teaches a mystical, inner connection with God through a constant Remembrance and Gratitude, called Simran.
 
No particular religion has a monopoly over God's Word. A mere label or a verbal declaration of our faith is of little value. God does not crave praise, nor does He covet slavery of humans. These are only human characteristics. God's religion demands only correct inner intentions, and acts that would manifest God's love for everyone, making others follow your example. Gurbani, in Sri Guru Granth Sahib, declares this. We need to accomplish it before death, not after.

true religion does not depend upon some prior covenant that God is said to have made with a certain nation. God does not favor a special era in the past, a certain nation, or a geographic location. Such stories are rejected because they are not in agreement with truth, that God loves everyone equally. He sends His messengers all the time, in all areas of the world. Some are widely known while others are not. Gurbani does not promote any Messiah as the only one or the last one, etc. We find that Gurbani is busy stressing upon an inner spiritual relationship with God and teaching us how to restore it. Gurbani is not filled with worldly wisdom.
 
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Ok from what I've read so far, I understand that according to the Sikhi's the soul merges into God. Am I right so far?

I also read that the person's soul only enters God when it is pure.

Moreover, we all know that human beings have faults, be it emotional, physical, psychological any kind of fault, but humans are faulty in general. Although we strive for excellence in front of god, we are still faulty and we commit sins.

What we don't know is the time of our death.

You and I know that no person can be sinless at any point in time. Sometimes we commit sins purposely and sometimes unconsciously, so if we die right now while still having sins, how will be 'Merge' with god?

Sorry if I have said anything offensive.
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
Hey.


I said:





Please. :)
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lol i did

ਜੈਸੀ ਮੈ ਆਵੈ ਖਸਮ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਤੈਸੜਾ ਕਰੀ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਵੇ ਲਾਲੋ ॥

1 - As the Word of the Forgiving Lord comes to me, so do I express it, O Lalo.

(P. 722, SGGS)

2 - The Word of the True Guru's Bani is the embodiment of Truth; through Gurbani, one becomes perfect.

(P. 304, SGGS)

"I myself know not what to say; all I speak is what the Lord commands."
(Ang 763)
 
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Honestly I've read through this thread with an open-mind.
I do have more questions I want to ask, but please answer my previous post, so I can ask more questions.
 
noodles said:
Ok from what I've read so far, I understand that according to the Sikhi's the soul merges into God. Am I right so far?

I also read that the person's soul only enters God when it is pure.

Moreover, we all know that human beings have faults, be it emotional, physical, psychological any kind of fault, but humans are faulty in general. Although we strive for excellence in front of god, we are still faulty and we commit sins.

What we don't know is the time of our death.

You and I know that no person can be sinless at any point in time. Sometimes we commit sins purposely and sometimes unconsciously, so if we die right now while still having sins, how will be 'Merge' with god?

Sorry if I have said anything offensive.
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Note Guru here is referred to God and not human


Guru Amar Das Ji tells unequivocally how to obtain liberation and ultimately salvation.

Siree Raag, Third Mehla:

You may torment your body with extremes of self-discipline, practice intensive meditation and hang upside-down, but your ego will not be eliminated from within.

You may perform religious rituals, and still never obtain the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

Through the Word of the Guru's Shabad, remain dead while yet alive, and the Name of the Lord shall come to dwell within the mind. ||1||
Listen, O my mind: hurry to the Protection of the Guru's Sanctuary.
By Guru's Grace you shall be saved. Through the Word of the Guru's Shabad, you shall cross over the terrifying world-ocean of poison. ||1||Pause||

Everything under the influence of the three qualities shall perish; the love of duality is corrupting.

The Pandits, the religious scholars, read the scriptures, but they are trapped in the bondage of emotional attachment. In love with evil, they do not understand.


Meeting the Guru, the bondage of the three qualities is cut away, and in the fourth state, the Door of Liberation is attained. ||2||
Through the Guru, the Path is found, and the darkness of emotional attachment is dispelled.

If one dies through the Shabad, then salvation is obtained, and one finds the Door of Liberation.
By Guru's Grace, one remains blended with the True Name of the Creator. ||3||

This mind is very powerful; we cannot escape it just by trying.
In the love of duality, people suffer in pain, condemned to terrible punishment.

O Nanak, those who are attached to the Naam are saved; through the Shabad, their ego is banished. ||4||18||51||

Shabad is by Guru Amar Daas Ji in Siree Raag on Pannaa 33
 
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. 'Abdullah ibn Mas'ud reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "No one who has an atom's weight of pride in his heart will enter the Garden." A man said, "And if the man likes his clothes to be good and his sandals to be good?" He said, "Allah is Beautiful and loves beauty. Pride means to renounce the truth and abase people."

[Sahih Muslim]​
 
Yes, I do agree with what Fi_si is saying.

The very act of being sinless isn't possible in this world. If you do happen to be in that state, you would be consumed by pride. It is why in our religion it is said to 'Repent, Repent and REPENT!!'. Having constant remembrance of our sins brings us closer to Allah. However, we cannot be foolish enough to think that we will be sinless in future. You cannot predict your future, neither will you know the amount of sins you will commit in your future.

I refuse to believe that such a person exists.

If you do happen to have an example of a person, I will gladly look into his past and determine it myself.
 
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noodles said:
Yes, I do agree with what Fi_si is saying.

The very act of being sinless isn't possible in this world. If you do happen to be in that state, you would be consumed by pride. It is why in our religion it is said to 'Repent, Repent and REPENT!!'. Having constant remembrance of our sins brings us closer to Allah. However, we cannot be foolish enough to think that we will be sinless in future. You cannot predict your future, neither will you know the amount of sins you will commit in your future.

I refuse to believe that such a person exists.

If you do happen to have an example of a person, I will gladly look into his past and determine it myself.
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O Nanak, those who are attached to the Naam are saved; through the Shabad, their ego is banished
 
hi AvarAllahNoor

I heard that hindusim believes in reincarnation of souls.do you people also believe in reincarnation? If not then what is ur religion said about life after death?
 
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This is the meeting the believers [in Allaah and His true messengers] will have with Allaah Almighty in paradise.. may Allaah make us of them, ameen.


A Meeting with Allaah...


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life said:
hi AvarAllahNoor

I heard that hindusim believes in reincarnation of souls.do you people also believe in reincarnation? If not then what is ur religion said about life after death?
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Human life is just a stage in the upward march of the soul. The individual has got birth as a human being, after going through lower forms of life. Human life is the final stage in the soul's progress to divinity. It is for us to make the most of this opportunity and thereby end our cycle of transmigration.

Death means the destruction of the physical self. The ashes and bonedust mix with the elements. But the soul which leaves the body, awaits a new dwelling. Just as a person casts off worn-out garments and puts on other that are new, so the subtle soul casts off the worn-out body and dwells in a new form. If there were no continuance of the soul after death, how could it become perfect to merit union with the Almighty?

Sikhism believes in the immortality of the soul. The devotee has no fear of the pangs of death. In fact he welcomes death, because it gives him a chance for the merger into Divinity. The evil person, however, dreads death. For him, it will lead to the unending cycle of birth and death. After death, man comes to the next birth according to what he deserves. If he has been wicked and evil, he takes birth in the lower species. If he has done good deeds, he takes birth in a good family. The cycle of birth and death keeps the soul away from Divinity. It can merge with God, only if the individual, by spiritual effort, has amassed the capital of the Name(the Holy spirit as understood by Christians) and thus lives with the Holy Spirit.


Guru Arjan in the Sukhmani dwells on the sad plight of the soul which is not endowed with the Name. The soul in its lonely march through darkness can only find sustenance in the word of God. Otherwise it feels the weariness and pain of isolation.

The soul, Jiva, is a part of God. It is deathless like Him. Before creation, it lived with God. After Creation it takes bodily forms according to His Will. The soul is, however, nourished by virtue and meditation on "The name" (Guru Granth Sahib). The transmigration of the soul can come to an end by meditation and divine grace.
 
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This is to show tolerance is not uncommon amongs Sikhs and Muslims

Thousands of Sikh devotees arrive in Pakistan for Baisakhi festival

Malaysia Sun
Tuesday 10th April, 2007
(ANI)



Wagah, Apr.10 : Over 3000 Sikh pilgrims from India have arrived in Pakistan by special trains on a ten-day visit to participate in Baisakhi celebrations.

The festival also marks the birth anniversary of the 'Khalsa Panth' or the Sikh order, which was established in 1699 by Guru Gobind Singh, the tenth spiritual leader of Sikhs.

Evacuee Trust Property Board (ETPB) Chairman Lt Gen (Retired) Zulifqar Ali Khan along with senior board officials and Pakistan Sikh Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee (PSGPC) President Sardar Bishen Singh accorded a warm welcome to the devotees on their arrival at the Wagah railway station, the last border railway station with India.

The devotees urged more people-people contact between the two countries.

"We request to the people of both the countries, we request to the rulers to make efforts to bring people closer and closer so that both the countries together, by the grace of God, move towards prosperity," said Manjeet Singh, a Sikh devotee.

"I feel really glad to see a welcoming atmosphere here. I pray to Wahegurujee (Almighty) that we meet each other and be brethren again," said Amarjeet Kaur, a woman devotee.

The Sikh pilgrims are scheduled to attend weeklong celebrations of Baisakhi to be held at Gurdwara Panja Sahib in Hassanabdal. They will also visit Lahore, Nankana Saheb and other religious places, including Gurdwara Kartarpur Saheb.

They will be attending the main function of Baisakhi till 14th of April and later travel to Nankana Saheb, Gurdwara Janam Asthan and Tamboo Saheb to perform religious ceremonies for three days. During their pilgrimage, the devotees will also celebrate the 308th birthday of Guru Gobind Singh.

Around 13,000 Sikhs with 4000 from India, 1000 from Europe, and 8000 Pakistani devotees would participate in one of their largest festivals.
 

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