Things in Islam I am curious about...

[Hemoo]

and about the music here is a good small lecture Download it

A lecture about music status in Islamic laws by Mohammad Abd ElHakim
​

 

[snakelegs]

If lying is a sin, but lying in this situation would be permissable, aren't we really saying that it is the situation not the lie which determines whether something is a sin or not?

i would agree with the above. i think lying is ok if a life is in danger.
i think some christians call thie "situational morality". personally, i believe in it and the above would be a good example.

 

[Woodrow]

I would agree with that assessment, thought that does keep people from acting like they can hide things from God.




I'm not saying it is a sin. Though I think some types of hiding are so deceptive as to be the equivalent of lying.

Is lying a sin? Use the very situation you created: Say , a riot is going on between Christians & Muslims .......so , if some group is going though the city looking for members of the other religion that they are going to take hold of, torture, perhaps even kill. And then say that the persecuted group comes to your house asking your to hide them, can a you lie to protect them?

If lying is a sin, but lying in this situation would be permissable, aren't we really saying that it is the situation not the lie which determines whether something is a sin or not?

This is a topic that has been ongoing for many generations. Does the end justify the means? I think it all boils down to how each one of us will act as an individual if we are ever faced with such a situation. (There I go, even trying to explain, I'm putting in into terms of situation)

Perhaps we need to look at what laws we are being asked to obey or to violate. We know we are forbidden to steal and we know we are to obey our parents. So would a son be justified in disobeying his father if his father told him to steal?

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

when prophet abrahim (peace be upon him) said that his wife is his sister he wasn't lying

-- Regarding Bible , Sarah (ra) was his step-sister. This story is not in Quran . So, we don't know really what happened there :blind:

 

[MustafaMc]

-- Regarding Bible , Sarah (ra) was his step-sister. This story is not in Quran . So, we don't know really what happened there :blind:

It seems that this is the first time the point was made in this thread that this story about Abraham is not in the Quran. For that matter, there are no stories in the Quran that portray a Prophet of Allah as immoral or sinful. Contrast this to the many Biblical stories of unspeakable immorality attribute to prophets.

 

[don532]

It seems that this is the first time the point was made in this thread that this story about Abraham is not in the Quran. For that matter, there are no stories in the Quran that portray a Prophet of Allah as immoral or sinful. Contrast this to the many Biblical stories of unspeakable immorality attribute to prophets.

Yes, true. The Bible portrays prophets as human. That's one reason Christians see Jesus(pbuh) as something more.

 

[Grace Seeker]

It seems that this is the first time the point was made in this thread that this story about Abraham is not in the Quran. For that matter, there are no stories in the Quran that portray a Prophet of Allah as immoral or sinful. Contrast this to the many Biblical stories of unspeakable immorality attribute to prophets.

Just to remind people how the issue of Abraham came up. I was commenting not on Abraham at all, I know the story and that he and Sarah were not just husband and wife, but also half-siblings. Whether it is in the Qur'an, the Bible, or even its truth/falsehood is not relevant to the original discussion. It was used merely as an illustration by which another asked me a hypothetical question. The actual topic under discussion was not an accusation with respect to anyone sinning (though situational ethics does fit the present topic under discussion), but about why young Muslims seem so hesitant to openly declare their faith.

The over whelming response has been, they are timid.

I understand the answer. I can understand where such timidity would come from. I just don't get it, and probably never will, because for me, to have faith is to let it show. I know that most mature Muslims certainly do in fact let there faith show. And there seems to be a willingness to not have to expectation of those who are less mature in their faith. I guess it is because in becoming a Christian this is usually the first step, not a later one, that I don't get it. It's OK. I don't have to get everything. I don't suggest that one is right and one is wrong. To me it is just unusual and out of character for a person of faith. But perhaps there is wisdom in allowing people to develop at their own rate of speed. I don't know.

 

[MustafaMc]

The actual topic under discussion was ... about why young Muslims seem so hesitant openly declare their faith.

The over whelming response has been, they are timid.

I understand the answer. I can understand where such timidity would come from. I just don't get it, and probably never will, because for me, to have faith is to let it show. ... To me it is just unusual and out of character for a person of faith. But perhaps there is wisdom in allowing people to develop at their own rate of speed. I don't know.

I can understand your perplexity.

I would have to say that a key element to understanding is the personal balance between faith in God with a focus on the hereafter as opposed to reliance on social & family ties with a fear of wordly (cordial family relations, social standing, job, marriage, life, etc) loss.

Again I encourage tolerance and restraint from being too judmental.

Imagine the situation if one was born to a Muslim family in a more Islamicly conservative Muslim countries and that he/she converted to Christianity while attending the university. I would imagine that you would choose to be "fed to the lions" rather than forsake your faith, but not everyone has that level of faith to endure the trial.

 

[YusufNoor]

It seems that this is the first time the point was made in this thread that this story about Abraham is not in the Quran. For that matter, there are no stories in the Quran that portray a Prophet of Allah as immoral or sinful. Contrast this to the many Biblical stories of unspeakable immorality attribute to prophets.

A`udhu Billahi mina Shaytanir Rajeem,

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Assalamu alaykum wa'rahma-tullahi, wa'barakatahu

from Sahih Muslim, iirrc:


Chapter 38: THE MERITS OF IBRAHIM, THE FRIEND OF ALLAH (PEACE BE UPON HIM)


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Book 030, Number 5841:
Anas b. Malik reported that a person came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: O, the best of creation; thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He is Ibrahim (peace be upon him).


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Book 030, Number 5842:
This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Anas through a different chain of transmitters.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Book 030, Number 5843:
Anas reported a hadith like this from Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) through another chain of transmitters.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Book 030, Number 5844:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) having said that Ibrahim circumcised himself with the help of adz when he was eiclhty years old.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Book 030, Number 5845:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: We have more claim to doubt than Ibrahim (peace be upon him) when he said, My Lord, show me how thou wilt quicken the dead. He said: Believeth thou not? He said: Yes, but that my heart rest at ease (the Holy Qur'an. 260). May Lord have mercy on Lot that he wanted a strong support and had I stayed in the prison as long as Yusuf stayed I would have responded to him who invited me.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Book 030, Number 5846:
This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Zuhri through another chain of transmitters.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Book 030, Number 5847:
This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira through another chain of transmitters but with a slight variation of wording.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Book 030, Number 5848:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying Prophet Ibrahim (peace be upon him) never told a lie but only thrice: two times for the sake of Allah (for example, his words):" I am sick," and his words:" But it was the big one amongst them which has done that" and because of Sara (his wife). He had come in a land inhabited by haughty and cruel men along with Sara. She was very good-looking amongst the people, so he said to her: If these were to know that you are my wife they would snatch you away from me, so if they ask you tell that you are my sister and in fact you are my sister in Islam, and I do not know of any other Muslim in this land besides I and you. And when they entered that land the tyrants came to see her and said to him (the king): 'there comes to your land a woman, whom you alone deserve to possess, so he (the kings sent someone (towards her) and she was brought and Ibrahim (peace be upon him) stood in preyer, and when she visited him (the tyrant king came) he could help but stretch his hand towards her and his hand was tied up. He said: Supplicate Allah so that He may release my hand and I will do no harm to you. She did that and the man repeated (the same highhandedness) and his hand was again tied up more tightly than on the first occasion and he said to her like that and she again did that (supplicated), but he repeated (the same highhandedness and his hands were tied up more tightly than on the previous occasion). He then again said: Supplicate your Lord so that He may set my hand free; by. @ llah I shall do no harm to you. She did and his hand was freed. Then he called the person who had brought her and said to him: You have brought to me the satan and you have not brought to me a human being, so turn them out from my land, and he gave Hajira as a gift to her. She returned (along with Hajira) and when Ibrahim (peace be upon him) saw her, he said: How have you returned? She said: With full safety (have I returned). Allah held the hand of that debauch and he gave me a maid-servant. Abu Hiaraira said: O sons of the rain of the sky, she is your mother.

 

[Malaikah]

Grace Seeker,

If a new Christian came to you, and lets say, was originally a Muslim, and you told her that she has to tell her family asap and endure the hardship, and then she takes your advice, and the hardship is so great on her that she leaves Christianity because of it... would consider yourself at fault? Would you give the same advice to the next Muslim girl who comes to you, wanting to convert?

Yes, true. The Bible portrays prophets as human. That's one reason Christians see Jesus(pbuh) as something more.

And in some cases, committing crimes that even ordinary, non-prophets won't dream of doing.:rollseyes

Muslims believe that God only gives the status of Prophethood to those who are good enough to carry it... they sin, of course, they wouldn't be human if they didn't... but their sins are only minor and they immediately regret it and repent from it, and they do not return to it.

 

[nonelse]

I think music is not about a 'black' or 'white'...halal or haram, it's a 'grey' ... it can't be halal 100% or haram 100%, depend on many things...and Allah know the Most. I myself...like very much nasheed..some times I can cry..while listening a beautiful nasheed without music, but I also like rhytm of music..i can't deny it...like pop music..but I never cry while listening pop music even it's a sad song..I know it's wrong..Allah know us..so..why we become so sad like there's no hope. That's me. We realize that music is a worldwide thing, sometime it lead us to do the haram things, and sometimes it doesn't.

 

[MustafaMc]

from Sahih Muslim, iirrc:


Chapter 38: THE MERITS OF IBRAHIM, THE FRIEND OF ALLAH (PEACE BE UPON HIM) ...
Book 030, Number 5848:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying Prophet Ibrahim (peace be upon him) never told a lie but only thrice: two times for the sake of Allah (for example, his words):" I am sick," and his words:" But it was the big one amongst them which has done that" and because of Sara (his wife). He had come in a land inhabited by haughty and cruel men along with Sara. She was very good-looking amongst the people, so he said to her: If these were to know that you are my wife they would snatch you away from me, so if they ask you tell that you are my sister and in fact you are my sister in Islam,

Thank you, brother. The authentic hadith (Muslim and Bukhari, for example) are certainly valid sources of Islamic knowledge.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Grace Seeker,

If a new Christian came to you, and lets say, was originally a Muslim, and you told her that she has to tell her family asap and endure the hardship, and then she takes your advice, and the hardship is so great on her that she leaves Christianity because of it... would consider yourself at fault? Would you give the same advice to the next Muslim girl who comes to you, wanting to convert?

At fault, No. But I probably would regret that I had given that advice and might change it the next time.

Muslims believe that God only gives the status of Prophethood to those who are good enough to carry it... they sin, of course, they wouldn't be human if they didn't... but their sins are only minor and they immediately regret it and repent from it, and they do not return to it.

Off topic, but I'll briefly join in.
Though from a human understanding I see some sins as more abominable than others, in my Christian understanding there really are no big and little sins. All sin is sin and results in the same punishment --spiritual death and separation from God. That is why we must depend on Jesus' righteousness rather than our own to gain access to the Father.

 

[Woodrow]

At fault, No. But I probably would regret that I had given that advice and might change it the next time.



Off topic, but I'll briefly join in.
Though from a human understanding I see some sins as more abominable than others, in my Christian understanding there really are no big and little sins. All sin is sin and results in the same punishment --spiritual death and separation from God. That is why we must depend on Jesus' righteousness rather than our own to gain access to the Father.

Greetings Grace seeker,

Oddly if a Christian were to rewrite their beliefs and replace Jesus(as) with Allah(swt) it would be very similar to what a Muslim believes.

We would have very little disagreement with this:

Off topic, but I'll briefly join in.
Though from a human understanding I see some sins as more abominable than others, in my Muslim understanding there really are no big and little sins. All sin is sin and results in the same punishment --spiritual death and separation from Allah(swt). That is why we must depend on Allah's (swt) righteousness rather than our own to gain access to Him(swt).

 

[Grace Seeker]

Greetings Grace seeker,

Oddly if a Christian were to rewrite their beliefs and replace Jesus(as) with Allah(swt) it would be very similar to what a Muslim believes.

We would have very little disagreement with this:

Might that possibly be because when we worship, we worship God in and through Jesus, the anointed one of God? (Not as an associate nor a partner of God.)
As long as we are off topic, just another thought to add to the mix.

 

[samah12]

and about the music here is a good small lecture Download it

A lecture about music status in Islamic laws by Mohammad Abd ElHakim
​

Brother thanks for the music lecture. It takes 50 minutes to listen to but it is worth it.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

Brother thanks for the music lecture. It takes 50 minutes to listen to but it is worth it.

---what was the conclusion ???? Is it halal or haram ?

 

[samah12]

Salaam/peace;


---what was the conclusion ???? Is it halal or haram ?

OMG listened to the first half then went to make coffee. I had been so impressed by what I had heard so far I put the above post. Then I went back to continue listening and it went blank. Have tried 3 times now but it always goes blank after a while, still running but no voice. So I still don't know the answer Arrrggggg :raging: :raging:

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace,

OMG listened to the first half then went to make coffee. I had been so impressed by what I had heard so far I put the above post. Then I went back to continue listening and it went blank. Have tried 3 times now but it always goes blank after a while, still running but no voice. So I still don't know the answer Arrrggggg :raging: :raging:

hehe :giggling:

lesson learnt : don't go for coffee till the audio ends kay:

u may try for tea next time :rollseyes

 

[Hemoo]

i am sorry sister but this lecture is not complete ,the file seems to be corrupted ,i tried to search for it but all links is the same file..

but actually if you have concentrated in what he said so far ,it is clearly obvious that he says it is Haram ,the lecturer him self used to study and practice music but he has left it for the sake of ALLAH

any way i have lisened to many arabic lectures for many muslims schoolars

and besides the hadith is so clear :

So lets see what are the laws of Islam saying about the musical instruments …..

008.020
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him when ye hear (him speak).

And​

003.031
PICKTHAL: Say, (O Muhammad, to mankind): If ye love Allah, follow me; Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
003.032
PICKTHAL: Say: Obey Allah and the messenger. But if they turn away, lo! Allah loveth not the disbelievers (in His guidance).

So here is what the prophets(p.b.u.h) said …..

in the book of sahih bukhary there is this hadeeth:-

Volume 007, Book 069, Hadith Number 494B.
------------------------------------------
Narrated By Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari : That he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection."

And in sahih muslim :-

Book 024, Hadith Number 5279.
------------------------------
Chapter: Disapproval of setting out on a journey along with a dog and bells.

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The bell is the musical instrument of the Satan.


In a book named "alzwager 3an ektraf alkaba`er" its by ibn hagar alhaytamy and he is in mazhab of imam shaafi3i he mentioned 6 serious misdeed which are :-

From the kabaaer (serious misdeed) to play a mezmaar (pipe or flute) or listen to it and to play a qoba (drum) and listen to it and also play a watar (string or chord ) and listen to it.

and there is another hadeeth that i will try to translate as good as i can that says "there will be in this nation khasf (means collapse or falling down inside the ground or cleave the earth under them) and qazf (means striking or throw something on) and maskh (means transformation or metamorphose) and all of this thing will appear if they are drinking of alcoholic drinks and had women singing and played on the musical instruments."
and this hadeeth is in the book of the truthful hadeeth by shiekh naser aldeen alalbany (rahimahu allah(


And Abo bakr alsedeeq (rady allah anho) said "the singing and instruments playing is the musical instrument of the Satan"

And there is so many companions which whom have said things like that.

And in Abu Dawud.
Book 36. General Behavior.
This story about ibn umar but i don't know if it's true or not.

Book 036, Hadith Number 4906.
------------------------------
Chapter: Not known.

Narrated By Abdullah ibn Umar : Nafi' said: Ibn Umar heard a pipe, put his fingers in his ears and went away from the road. He said to me: Are you hearing anything? I said: No. He said: He then took his fingers out of his ears and said: I was with the Prophet (pbuh), and he heard like this and he did like this. AbuAli al-Lu'lu said: I heard AbuDawud say: This is a rejected tradition.


And the four well-known imams of the four mazhab ( ahmed ibn hanbal , malek ibn anas , mohamed idrees alshaafe`y and abo haneefa) they all said that the singing and music are haram (forbidden) and so had said ebn taymia and imam alshawkany and ibn alqayem and many others.

And from the contemporary schoolars who says that the music is haram the following:-
shiekh ibn baz and ibn oathaymeen and abd allah ebn gabreen and alshiekh alalbany and mohamed saleh almounaged and mohamed alareefy and `aed alkarany and abo issac alheweny and many others.

After all of those hadeeth we all as Muslims should obey Allah our creator and our lord and stop listening to music and we should be annoyed at least in our hearts when we hear them.

And there is another hadeeth in bukhary in book no. 15 called "The Two Festivals (Eids)"
Those hadeeth give us exception case and it’s the only allowed case by the Islamic law.

Volumn 002, Book 015, Hadith Number 070.
-----------------------------------------
Narrated By 'Aisha : Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) came to my house while two girls were singing beside me the songs of Buath (a story about the war between the two tribes of the Ansar, the Khazraj and the Aus, before Islam). The Prophet (p.b.u.h) lay down and turned his face to the other side. Then Abu Bakr came and spoke to me harshly saying, "Musical instruments of Satan near the Prophet (p.b.u.h) ?" Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) turned his face towards him and said, "Leave them." When Abu Bakr became inattentive, I signalled to those girls to go out and they left. It was the day of 'Id, and the Black people were playing with shields and spears; so either I requested the Prophet (p.b.u.h) or he asked me whether I would like to see the display. I replied in the affirmative. Then the Prophet (p.b.u.h) made me stand behind him and my cheek was touching his cheek and he was saying, "Carry on! O Bani Arfida," till I got tired. The Prophet (p.b.u.h) asked me, "Are you satisfied (Is that sufficient for you)?" I replied in the affirmative and he told me to leave.

And

Volumn 002, Book 015, Hadith Number 072.
-----------------------------------------
Narated By 'Aisha : Abu Bakr came to my house while two small Ansari girls were singing beside me the stories of the Ansar concerning the Day of Buath. And they were not singers. Abu Bakr said protestingly, "Musical instruments of Satan in the house of Allah's Apostle !" It happened on the 'Id day and Allah's Apostle said, "O Abu Bakr! There is an 'Id for every nation and this is our 'Id."

And

Volumn 002, Book 015, Hadith Number 103.
-----------------------------------------
Narated By 'Urwa : On the authority of 'Aisha. On the days of Mina, (11th, 12th, and 13th of Dhul-Hijjah) Abu Bakr came to her while two young girls were beating the tambourine and the Prophet was lying covered with his clothes. Abu Bakr scolded them and the Prophet uncovered his face and said to Abu Bakr, "Leave them, for these days are the days of 'Id and the days of Mina." 'Aisha further said, "Once the Prophet was screening me and I was watching the display of black slaves in the Mosque and ('Umar) scolded them. The Prophet said, 'Leave them. O Bani Arfida! (carry on), you are safe (protected)'."


After you have read the above hadeeths you will see that Abu Bakr has protested on what he saw and heard and that is because he knows earlier that the music is forbidden but the prophet has said to him to leave them and indicated the reason which are because it’s a festival day .

So there is only one exceptional case which we can use musical instrument and there are some conditions which are :-
1-only in the times of marriage and Muslims festivals .
2-the musical instrument that can be used is called Dhuff (its like the tambourine) .
3-this instrument is only allowed to be used by women only and not for men.

There is another important thing which is :-
* Its not right to have men with women in the time of festivals in what is called by mingling so we must avoid that as much as we can.

* what I also know and heard from many Islamic scholars is that the men mustn't listen to any musical instruments in any case.


And finally I hope all the Muslims do what pleases Allah , Ameen


i also wanted to talk about shiekh yusuf alQaradawy (may Allah guide me and him),he has many Fatwas that contradicts with the Prophet's Hadith so be carfull while listening to him.

wa assalam​