islamic/Arabic inventions

[iqbal_soofi]

WHY ARE YOU IGNORING MY QUESTONS!

ALL THESE ISLAMIC ACHIEVMENTS WHERE MADE BY PERSIANS! SOME NOT EVEN MUSLIMS

Nasir al-Din Muhammad ibn Muhammad ibn Hasan al-Tusi (Persian: خواجه نصیر طوسی‎ (1201–1274) was a Persian of Shi'a Twelver Islamic belief, born in Tus, Khorasan, Iran. He is known as a philosopher, mathematician, astronomer, theologian, physician, and a prolific writer, i.e., he was a polymath.
K. N. Toosi University of Technology in Iran is named after him.

Well, we should give a lot of credit to Arabs for developing the science subjects. It was about 1000 years ago when the Abassi kalifas thought about developing the knowledge base in Muslims. They made universities (Jamiyats) in which they invited top class scholars from all over the world including Greece, India, Egypt, China and many other places and gave them a very high status. They learnt various subjects from these high class scholars and then further developed those sciences through reaserch and experiments. They not only developed those subjects, but also invented some new subjects too. You're right that the Muslim students who studied in those universities were not only Arabs, they were very non Arabs belonging to different sects. The Abaasi Kahlifas didn't restrict the development of science subject only to Muslims. Many non Muslim students also played their part in the development and research of sciences in these universities.

 

[جوري]

I know but still, there are some pan-arabist saying arabic invenstion even if theyre mostly persian. Then we have islamic inventions, but they are many non muslims.

There are no christian invenstions, galilleo galillei would probably laugh at religion just like al razi if he could. No religion can claim sciense, and sadly many muslims say islamic contributions.

well these scientists who speak "Islamic science" aren't even Muslim.. as I have quoted above an excerpt By Dr. George Salibi... let me share with you an e Book that has small excerpts from the Quran about things that weren't even known during Shakespearean time-- written by a former missionary... Dr. Gary Miller
http://thetruereligion.org/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=90

 

[Sinbad]

All these things you allready knew. Alcohol is bad drugs are bad, you knew evereything! Shakespears time, please euopeans where supressed by the church.

 

[جوري]

I can think of so many things off the top of my head that infleunced western art even like the water clock that marked the hours by dropping bronze balls into a bowl, as mechanical knights — one for each hour — emerged from little doors which shut behind them. The presents were unprecedented in Western Europe and may have influenced Carolingian art. given to Charlemagne by the Khalif Harun Al RAshid (Aaron the Upright)-- it sent Charlemagne's knights afright... they thought it was sorcery... I mean this was unprecedented and all contributions under the Muslim empire which had funds for scholars...

 

[جوري]

All these things you allready knew. Alcohol is bad drugs are bad, you knew evereything! Shakespears time, please euopeans where supressed by the church.

Yes but Muslims weren't suppressed by the Mosques...

Anyhow Sinbad.. I still hope we can learn from you and you from us... but I have to run

peace be with you

 

[The Ruler]

Greetings Sinbad,

AL RAZI AND OTHER ARABIC ISLAMIC SCIENTIST KEEP EXPRESSING THEIR HATE TOWARDS ISLAM.

i do not understand...you said Al Razi was an athiest...then how do you again say 'al Razi and other arabic islamic scientist'?...

BUT STILL THESE ISLAMIC SCIENTIST HATED ISLAM! How can you say muslim contributtion?

a person cannot be of one religion when he'she hates it.

and talking about muslim scientists, was Abul Hasan not distinguished as the inventor of telescope that he described as "tube, to the extrimities of which were attached diopters"? was the pendulum not invented by ibn yunus who lived to be a genius in science? is not mir fatehullah khan historically known as the inventor of gun powder?...how many more examples would you like? i would have no problem giving you more.

Peace.

 

[Keltoi]

Scientific discoveries have been made by every society, race, and religion. Arguing over what race, society, or religion made the most discoveries is a little juvenile. All cultures learn from other cultures and scientists and philosophers learn from other scientists and philosophers.

 

[جوري]

This it isn't about arguing over who made what... this is about giving people their due rights and respect.. The dark ages of Europe weren't called dark because they used extra dense black liner.... It is about time people knew the origins of many of the modern scientific theories -- I don't see anything wrong or juvenile in that!

peace!

 

[iqbal_soofi]

Greetings Sinbad,



i do not understand...you said Al Razi was an athiest...then how do you again say 'al Razi and other arabic islamic scientist'?...



a person cannot be of one religion when he'she hates it.

and talking about muslim scientists, was Abul Hasan not distinguished as the inventor of telescope that he described as "tube, to the extrimities of which were attached diopters"? was the pendulum not invented by ibn yunus who lived to be a genius in science? is not mir fatehullah khan historically known as the inventor of gun powder?...how many more examples would you like? i would have no problem giving you more.

Peace.

We need to study in detail about the life of Al-Razi to know what kind of belief he had. It's not necessary that every child born in a Muslim family to have the same belief as his/her parents all through his/her life. There're chances especially for the scientists to change their beliefs because they observe many new phenominon during the course of their research that are different from the religious or old beliefs.

A scientist is basically is a person who believes in nothing. Only seeing is believing in science. Therefore if somebody is a true scientist, then he's an athiest.

 

[جوري]

A scientist is basically is a person who believes in nothing. Only seeing is believing in science. Therefore if somebody is a true scientist, then he's an athiest.

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read... with the exception of a couple of English teachers and my philosophy professor from under grad-- every person that has taught me something be they with PhD or an MD in both my under grad and grad school with no exception have all had religious affiliations and were observant individuals...My physics, and calculus as well as my organic chemistry professors were from Iran and Algeria respectively and were very religious individuals...and during grad school I have only met with the same-- those of them who didn't follow any organized religion were at least still believers in G-D.. My colleagues with no exceptions whether Muslim or not still believe in G-D--- Pls don't make such sweeping generalization of what it means to be a scientist.. You'll find a few people on this thread with M.D's and PhD's who can't even fathom being an atheist.....

thank you

 

[iqbal_soofi]

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read... with the exception of a couple of English teachers and my philosophy professor from under grad-- every person that has taught me something be they with PhD or an MD in both my under grad and grad school with no exception have all had religious affiliations and were observant individuals...My physics, and calculus as well as my organic chemistry professors were from Iran and Algeria respectively and were very religious individuals...and during grad school I have only met with the same-- those of them who didn't follow any organized religion were at least still believers in G-D.. My colleagues with no exceptions whether Muslim or not still believe in G-D--- Pls don't make such sweeping generalization of what it means to be a scientist.. You'll find a few people on this thread with M.D's and PhD's who can't even fathom being an atheist.....

thank you

I agree with you that most of the science teachers have relgious affiliations to some extnent. Some of them may be more religious too. But I was giving the definition of a true scientist. A true scientist is the one who never believes in something he can't verify with his five senses directly or indirectly thorugh some equipment.

For a scientists either everything in this world is a miracle or nothing is a miracle. Either ever person is a child of God or nobody is the child of God. Either every person is the messenger of Allah or nobody is the messenger of Allah. A scientist goes only by the material proof.

A true scientists is the one who makes no exception to this basic principle of science: SEEING IS BELIEVING

 

[جوري]

I agree with you that most of the science teachers have relgious affiliations to some extnent. Some of them may be more religious too. But I was giving the definition of a true scientist. A true scientist is the one who never believes in something he can't verify with his five senses directly or indirectly thorugh some equipment.

For a scientists either everything in this world is a miracle or nothing is a miracle. Either ever person is a child of God or nobody is the child of God. Either every person is the messenger of Allah or nobody is the messenger of Allah. A scientist goes only by the material proof.

A true scientists is the one who makes no exception to this basic principle of science: SEEING IS BELIEVING

You can't see everything scientifically... I'll have to go on a limb and say most of psychiatry for instance is very theoretically based.... you don't have a definitive test to see certain organic disorders from Schizophrenia to depression or Parkinson or natural bereavement-- but they do develop a diagnostic quots whereby a pt. needs to satisfy certain criterions to be diagnosed with such a malady---and based on that a whole field develops and medications, pts. and clinical trials --- I'll agree with what you have said to a level, that, yes! I have come across people who view everything around them as a miracle -- and they are usually the most delightful bunch -- as they see possibility in things others just don't... Hope isn't something seen--- yet most Doctors will agree that it is not only helpful but necessary for a good prognostic outcome!
peace!

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Ibn Firnas of Islamic Spain invented, constructed and tested a flying machine in the 800's A.D. Roger Bacon learned of flying machines from Arabic references to Ibn Firnas' machine. The latter's invention antedates Bacon by 500 years and Da Vinci by some 700 years.

Glass mirrors were in use in Islamic Spain as early as the 11th century. The Venetians learned of the art of fine glass production from Syrian artisans during the 9th and 10th centuries.

A variety of mechanical clocks were produced by Spanish Muslim engineers, both large and small, and this knowledge was transmitted to Europe through Latin translations of Islamic books on mechanics. These clocks were weight-driven. Designs and illustrations of epi-cyclic and segmental gears were provided. One such clock included a mercury escapement. The latter type was directly copied by Europeans during the 15th century. In addition, during the 9th century, Ibn Firnas of Islamic Spain, according to Will Durant, invented a watch-like device which kept accurate time. The Muslims also constructed a variety of highly accurate astronomical clocks for use in their observatories.

The pendulum was discovered by Ibn Yunus al-Masri during the 10th century, who was the first to study and document its oscillatory motion. Its value for use in clocks was introduced by Muslim physicists during the 15th century.

Trigonometry remained largely a theoretical science among the Greeks. It was developed to a level of modern perfection by Muslim scholars, although the weight of the credit must be given to al-Battani. The words describing the basic functions of this science, sine, cosine and tangent, are all derived from Arabic terms. Thus, original contributions by the Greeks in trigonometry were minimal.


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[iqbal_soofi]

Ibn Firnas of Islamic Spain invented, constructed and tested a flying machine in the 800's A.D. Roger Bacon learned of flying machines from Arabic references to Ibn Firnas' machine. The latter's invention antedates Bacon by 500 years and Da Vinci by some 700 years.

Glass mirrors were in use in Islamic Spain as early as the 11th century. The Venetians learned of the art of fine glass production from Syrian artisans during the 9th and 10th centuries.

A variety of mechanical clocks were produced by Spanish Muslim engineers, both large and small, and this knowledge was transmitted to Europe through Latin translations of Islamic books on mechanics. These clocks were weight-driven. Designs and illustrations of epi-cyclic and segmental gears were provided. One such clock included a mercury escapement. The latter type was directly copied by Europeans during the 15th century. In addition, during the 9th century, Ibn Firnas of Islamic Spain, according to Will Durant, invented a watch-like device which kept accurate time. The Muslims also constructed a variety of highly accurate astronomical clocks for use in their observatories.

The pendulum was discovered by Ibn Yunus al-Masri during the 10th century, who was the first to study and document its oscillatory motion. Its value for use in clocks was introduced by Muslim physicists during the 15th century.

Trigonometry remained largely a theoretical science among the Greeks. It was developed to a level of modern perfection by Muslim scholars, although the weight of the credit must be given to al-Battani. The words describing the basic functions of this science, sine, cosine and tangent, are all derived from Arabic terms. Thus, original contributions by the Greeks in trigonometry were minimal.


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Very good description of some of the achievements of the Muslim scientists.

I admire their work done in the field of mathematics. Mathematics or numerology was a subject in which Indians were leading. Muslims learnt the method of writing the big amounts in digits from Indian mathematicians and then further developed it. Zero was invented by a Muslim mathematician which made the task of writing and memorizing big amount very easy. It futher helped in airthmatical addition, subtractions, divisions and multiplications. Germans used the combination of zero and the decimals to make the decimal system for measurments which made the engieering subject very easy. Then the combination the same zero and digit 1 made it possible to create the basic language for telecommunication which then helped in the invention of computer.

Algebra is another wonderful invention of Muslims. Everyone of you must be knowing about it already.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^Yea, from the root word Al Jabr.

 

[Keltoi]

This it isn't about arguing over who made what... this is about giving people their due rights and respect.. The dark ages of Europe weren't called dark because they used extra dense black liner.... It is about time people knew the origins of many of the modern scientific theories -- I don't see anything wrong or juvenile in that!

peace!

The vast majority of European thought stemmed from classic philosophers like Plato and Aristotle. It would be false to suggest that European knowledge after the Dark Ages was due to Islam. I'm not denying there were contributions of one form or another from that part of world, but the European Enlightenment was much more than numbers. I absolutely agree that there were contributions to modern thought and science that had its roots in Persia and the surrounding area, but to suggest Europe depended upon this for their Enlightenment and social progress is vastly overstated.

 

[iqbal_soofi]

The vast majority of European thought stemmed from classic philosophers like Plato and Aristotle. It would be false to suggest that European knowledge after the Dark Ages was due to Islam. I'm not denying there were contributions of one form or another from that part of world, but the European Enlightenment was much more than numbers. I absolutely agree that there were contributions to modern thought and science that had its roots in Persia and the surrounding area, but to suggest Europe depended upon this for their Enlightenment and social progress is vastly overstated.

That's very true.

Unfortunately, we've narrowed down everything to Islam. We beleive that everything orginated from Islam. There were no civilizations before Islam. And if somehow we admit that there're civilizations without Islam, then we assume that those are kufer or evils which would go to hell. We please ourselves by saying that we're away from any civilization. Then we beg, buy or borrow everything to fulfill our needs from the same civilized world which we blame as kuffer.

 

[جوري]

That's very true.

Unfortunately, we've narrowed down everything to Islam. We beleive that everything orginated from Islam. There were no civilizations before Islam. And if somehow we admit that there're civilizations without Islam, then we assume that those are kufer or evils which would go to hell. We please ourselves by saying that we're away from any civilization. Then we beg, buy or borrow everything to fulfill our needs from the same civilized world which we blame as kuffer.

Ha? I believe the greatest civilizations in the world have come from the east... and I believe that Islamic civilization was the most impressive of them... that is not to deny many break through's that were made by Egyptians and Phoenicians etc etc... it is enough to look and see where 4 of the ancient 7 wonders of the world have come from -- two in Egypt, one in what is known as modern day Iraq and one in Turkey-- Those people have always been progressive and Islam has enhanced that for them--So yes I dare say if the west has seen the mountains it is because they stood on the shoulders of Giants... typical though to bite the hand that fed you ---To call it overstated to me is to admit to selective myopia...


peace!

 

[iqbal_soofi]

Ha? I believe the greatest civilizations in the world have come from the east... and I believe that Islamic civilization was the most impressive of them... that is not to deny many break through's that were made by Egyptians and Phoenicians etc etc... it is enough to look and see where 4 of the ancient 7 wonders of the world have come from -- two in Egypt, one in what is known as modern day Iraq and one in Turkey-- Those people have always been progressive and Islam has enhanced that for them--So yes I dare say if the west has seen the mountains it is because they stood on the shoulders of Giant... To call it overstated to me is to admit to selective myopia...


peace!

The Indus Valley civilization and the Egytian civilization has nothing to do with Islam. They came many thousand years before Islam. We couldn't make any civilization matching any one of these two with Islam.

 

[جوري]

The Egyptians are the same folks in the pagan days as they were Islamic days only more enhanced by the qualities of righteous people ... and undoubtedly what ever talents they have had carried through---
Still don't see how European thought during the dark ages stemmed from Plato or Aristotle?... was their enlightenment the focus of Roger the II crushing the globe handed him by Al Idrisi attesting the earth was flat-- or of having prohibitions on wearing pointy shoes for their immorality by the church and keeping your circumcised organs buried with you so that G-D could put you back together? Please let's get a grip here.... or are we again in the process of reinterpreting history?
peace!