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There are such complicated works on G-d and what happneds for what reason that if you do not study these things then you may really just think that G-d is a very evil thing because you judge G-d's actions without understanding of the world, Judaism and other things.

Someone who falls into this trap we should all view as innocent and hope that one day he leaves the clutches of the evil impulse which has a job basically to push you further from G-d, but it is employed by G-d to see the response.

Someone who views death as worse then not following the Torah will never understand the Torah because they will never understand Judaism in general.
 
What I understood from what you wrote is
1) the Oral Torah and the Talmud are one and the same thing.
2) one does not have the complete Torah without also having the Oral Torah (also known as the Talmud).
3) the Talmud is of equal authority as the Written Torah and is considered to be holy scripture by Jews.
4) some divisions of the Talmud are into the Mishna and the Gemora.
5) there are other commentaries beyond the Gemora that are not considered holy scripture, but that are needed to properly understand the Torah.

Please correct me on any mis-statements I may have made.

1. The Oral Torah is the Mishna. The Gemora are explanations by the great sages of our time. For ever word of the mishna debates between the Rabbi's and explanations of how to 100% follow it are written.

2. Correct.

3. Correct.

4. The Mishna is the Law, Gemora explains the law by analyzing every senetence.

5. Sages then comment on the gemoras analysis.
 
Third is Zionism. I do not know what camp of view you hold lavikor201, but Zionism and the creation of a Jewish state by secular or non-secular means was forbiden. However, we are told that if we commit a forbiden act that we only must undo the act, if it follows Jewish law in doing so. Secular Jews who do not follow the Torah created the state of Israel, and now since it has been done, we must follow what Jewish law says on the matter. Jewish law says that we may break any law of the Torah to save our lives but three laws. We may not kill someone to save our life, rape someone to save our life, or worship an idol/disbelieve to save our life. Jewish law also says that Jewish life must be taken into account. If we disbanded the state of Israel, many Jews would die from Arab attacks because the arabs have become blood thristy because of zionism, therefore it is against Jewish law to disband the state of Israel. The crazy people that march with terrorists because they believe Jews should not have a state should be put into excommunication because they march with people who hate Jews, and have Jewish blood on their hands.

Read this post for more:

http://www.islamicboard.com/679487-post1.html

what you wrote above makes sense to me, but my question is - would this include an obligation not to criticize the state of israel? is it prohibited for example, to speak out against a specific israeli policy toward the palestinians? (for example settlements, road blocks, etc.)
 
What I'm really curious about is what the Jewish members of this forum think would be the best solution for the Israel/Palestine problem (and I hope you do see it as a problem). I know you don't want to talk about it in this thread, so you can post your views in this thread that I made a while ago. Forget what we were talking about there, just start from scratch.
 
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I think we should give an award to lavikor201 for creating the most popular thread in this forum:

For less than a year (18.05.2006 - 06.04.2007)

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A very good example that the Jews can live in a Muslim environment...

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I think we should give an award to lavikor201 for creating the most popular thread in this forum:

For less than a year (18.05.2006 - 06.04.2007)

* 14,545 views
* 1,538 replies
* 103 pages

A very good example that the Jews can live in a Muslim environment...

:thumbs_up :okay:

Definetely! Take some rep, man!!

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I think we should give an award to lavikor201 for creating the most popular thread in this forum:

For less than a year (18.05.2006 - 06.04.2007)

* 14,545 views
* 1,538 replies
* 103 pages

A very good example that the Jews can live in a Muslim environment...

:thumbs_up :okay:

That is only because the Muslims in this board are rather educated and tolerant. The same cannot be said about ordinary Muslims in the ME.
 
what you wrote above makes sense to me, but my question is - would this include an obligation not to criticize the state of israel? is it prohibited for example, to speak out against a specific israeli policy toward the palestinians? (for example settlements, road blocks, etc.)

I cannot answer for him, but I would assume that it would be okay, but if your criticism goes so far to get one angry which could risk a Jewish life, or any life for that matter, then you should not.

However, I completly disagree with his theory on Zionism and we obviously have different hashkafah (views) and interpretations on different things. A Jewish state in my mind is a theological state that has sacrifices etc. Todays state is not a "Jewish state" because sacrifices are not existent, and because it is a western democracy that promotes no Jewish values. His views are obviously very different.

What I'm really curious about is what the Jewish members of this forum think would be the best solution for the Israel/Palestine problem (and I hope you do see it as a problem). I know you don't want to talk about it in this thread, so you can post your views in this thread that I made a while ago. Forget what we were talking about there, just start from scratch.

Hopefully a two state solution Palestinian state in Gaza and West Bank, with Islamic rule over the Temple Mount and we rule the Western Wall, and Israeli control is in Jerusalem, but Palestinians may go there no problem as long as attacks do no occur and every site holy to Islam is given completle Islamic control.
 
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But men may not to rely on a tradition. They may claim that they only accept what they have seen with their eyes.

Do you believe the man George Washington (founder of America) existed? Of course you do, but how do you know he ever existed? Did you see him? No of course you did not, but you are probably thinking now that all men rely on some form of tradition to understand history and this is true. George Washington you would say is a tradition accepted by all men, but I would disagree! By no means do the masses in Africa, India, the Near East, Chine, Japan even know his name! The vast majority of mankind have never heard of him.

Now, you would say "But thousands of his countrymen knew him". But have you ever spoken to any of them? No, but it is widely known ad is accepted as truth. Now how do you know he was widely known in his life time? "By recorded history, word of mouth, and one generation to the next."

The our recorded history the Tanakh is much more widespread in the world than American recorded history; and word of mouth history of our people is much more widespread then American word-of mouth history. American history admits that George Washington was only seen by thousands; while Jewish history insists that millions saw our Torah given at Mt. Sinai and all generations testified to the historical traditons which they heard from their own fathers, not to mention the vast millions of Christians and Mohamadens believe today in this historical fact. There is not a historical tradition in the world today, including the latest events of our time which is as strongly authenticated by written and public record and opinion based on tradition lavikor. The majority of the American people have not recieved the tradition of George Washington from there fathers because they are Irish, Italian, German, or Slavic immigrants who settled in America long after Washington was gone. But the Jewish nation are the descendants of the men who saw the ten plagues and were liberated from slavery in Egypt. If you were not Jewish then your not expected to believe or follow the Torah since G-d did not divinly reveal it to you. These people passed on what they saw at Sinia and the red sea generation to generation.

Over two centuries before the second destruction of our Holy Temple our scriptures were translated into greek lavikor, and this is important. From then on the gentiles have had our scriptures to testify to our text. This happned only six centuries after King Soloman. In addition the works of Josephus have been the gentiles hands for 2,000 years. But of all it is clear that the fact that our nation, as far back as any historical record goes back, unaminously procliamed the authority and authenticity of the scriptures. Rabbi Avigdor Miller wrote.
 
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So then the Muslims and Christians rely on our tradition so how can you say they are wrong?

Lavikor, I am spending a lot of time typing these answers, so you better not skim through them all.

It is quite obvious. But first, I hope insult no one by writing this because we do not wish for you to convert to Judaism but instead follow the seven laws. But first the Christians and Muslims can claim only half of our tradition which proves them false. They both do not recongnize the Oral Torah, and the written Torah is nothing without the Oral Torah to go along with it. The Christians belief that there is no Oral Torah makes it so they cannot follow the written one. The written Torah makes no sense, and may convey the compeltly opposite message it intends to, when someone reads it without the Oral law. That is the reason they are false.

The Nazarene's followers clearly state that all the sages of the jews opposed them. Not even a single sage supported them. Even among the Jewish lower class did the majority not support the Nazarene's. The Nazarene's claim to prophecy is based on his own words; but none of the sages or their great assemblies which were at a very high state supported him. The writings of the Nazarene state that the sages rebuked him and his followers for violating the law of the Torah. The writing claim he is of the seed of David, but at the same time that he has no father. Even the most ignorant of our people know that the lineage which is not through the father is never considered in Biblical genealogy. In addition, he claimed that he did not intend to change the law of Moses, yet he himself abrogated some laws and his followers abrogated all of them. In addition he claims to be the Messiah whose function as foretold by the Bible is to redeem Israel; but we saw the opposite of this redemption after his death; for the Messiah is clearly foretold by the prophets to appear and rule Israel in person. In additions the scriptures foretell (Isaiah 45, Zefania 3) that all the nations shall be united in true faith at the advent of the Messiah; but after the Nazarene nothing of that kind transpired. On the contrary Islam developed and spread over many nations and Christianity broke up into many sects which continue to slaughter eachother in such places as Northern Ireland.

The contradictions that the "New Testament" has with the Torah are numerous. I will not name them all because to tell you the truth, I do not wish to attack Christian scripture if they follow the seven laws.

The Mohammadans and Nazranes have upheld the truth of our prophetic books for 1300 years and they admit that they were true if not still today. Yet both admit that our sages opposed them. By this admission they prove their error. How so? Because the Torah says in Devarim 17: "When a matter of judgement is concealed from you, you shall go up to the place which G-d shall choose and you shall come to the Coheniem and Levites and to the judges who shall be in those days; and you shall inquire and they shall tell you. And you shall do according to the word that they tell you; and you shall not turn aside from the word which they tell you; to the right or to the left." If the followers of Mohamad and the Christians admit that all our sages opposed them, then they therefore admit the Jews are right in obeying the sages because G-d influences the sages.

Now of course these judges were not around in Mohamads time, so therefore, how can we say Mohamad was wrong? Well the Quran calls Jesus a prophet, which therefore, makes them oppose the descion of the sages that rejected Jesus and therefore they go against the Torah's command as well.

But either way, the spread of Christianity and Islam are great things among the gentiles because they follow our G-d! Therefore, I encourage all Muslims to continue to practice there faith and Christians to follow the seven laws! I also beg all Hindu's and Buddhists to convert to one of these religions Islam being the much more monotheistic one, so they should try Islam, if they can even better just follow the seven laws and become righteous gentiles/noahides.

The Jews accpted the Torah though because they heard the voice of G-d tell them to. Not because a few miracles Moses performed. Miracles can be performed by evil as well to trick us. Non-Jews are not expected to follow Torah because it is only logical that the people who should follow it are people who G-d proved to it is real, and there descendants. Unlike man made religions the Torah was not preached by individuals who afterward suceeded in persuading or coercing the multidutes, but instead from the first day our Torah was accepted by millions.

Our Torah says that it is eternal and that any one who claims to write a new book or claims that we should no longer follow Torah then they are obviously false.

If a religion claims the Torah is theres, but that the Oral Torah is not, then they are obviously because what they follow is an incomplete work that may convey the exact opposite of its message without its counterpart.
 
I understand what you are saying, but since only Israel witnessed the Torah and most of the wonders how can other nations even be expected to accept this truth?
 
I understand what you are saying, but since only Israel witnessed the Torah and most of the wonders how can other nations even be expected to accept this truth?

The scriptures lavikor, only call on Israel who witnessed G-d's deeds to follow and keep his laws. No other nation is threatened or blamed for not accepting the Torah/Law; they are not obligated to, for they did not witness the miracles which prove the truth of the Torah/Law. Moses did not demand that the children of Israel should believe in him, for none of them ever disputed the truth of the law, which they had witnessed together with him. But the books of Islam and Christianity vehemently curse everyone in the world who disbelieves them although they did not demonstrate their proofs to the whole world.
 
Wow! It makes a lot of sense. I will e-mail you to ask more. Althugh I am a Jew and I believe I know a lot, I really know nothing compared to those that study as there job all day. :p
 
Phil said:
That is only because the Muslims in this board are rather educated and tolerant. The same cannot be said about ordinary Muslims in the ME.
Hey watch it! I'm an ordinary Muslim and I'm the ME and I'm finding this thread quite interesting.

But yeah, I agree that a lot of the less-educated people around the globe have a lot less tolerance for things they don't know much about.
 
here's a question.. why is it sort of hard for someone to convert to judaism?

anyways, but here's just a general comment - i love judaism lol. and i love the torah. i have NEVER seen a book so rich in meaning in my life. like if someone read through the tanakh at first glance, they wouldn't even get 10% of the meaning of it! it's so intense in meaning, it's awesome.. lol. just a general comment.

as for jews and their treament on this forum.. well, i've always liked this forum, because it seems to be a more liberal islamic forum. like i have been on muslim forums where jews were constantly being harassed, and the admins did nothing about it. they also were encouraging death to homosexuals, and to christians, and this and that. But, thankfully this forum is more open minded!
 
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