Quran Verses - Explanations required.

AvarAllahNoor said:
Appointed Prophets but lost the way. So, I guess one could say they failed so they are not regarded as Prophets but were sent by Allah no doubt.
Click to expand...

ok khair so we have estabilished that now, alhumdulillah, took a while gettin there, but at least we are there now!

Ok now I would want to ask about your belief of God. Do you believe God can see into the future. Because in Islam we believe God knows the future EXACTLY!

So what I am trying to ask is, why would God appoint messengers, who he knew were going to be bad and would "lose their way". What is the wisdom behind this. I believe God chooses the best of people to be prophets, because otherwise how else are they meant to get the people they are sent to back on the right path? Why choose someone who you know will sin himself? Why choose and appoint a Prophet who will write lies in your name, as you guys think the Prophet Muhammed pbuh has done

Await your answers
 
So first of all you said you believed in the Prophets but their scripture got distorted, then you said that these true prophets got lost on their way and failed their mission?

That's unbelievable, doesn't God know who He sends as a Messenger? We know that the previous scriptures got altered by the people AFTER the clear signs had come to them, yet you're saying evil things about the prophets and saying that Allaah makes mistakes? It's obvious that what you said is falsehood.
 
Well to be honest, as Mohammed himself did not write the Quran, I can say what it states to be the words of Moahmemd are not his. so can't be from God. His companions wrote it. Not Mohmmed so, In my opinion his message is unknown to man. So God did see the future but respect is still bestowed upon the Messengers as they were send by God.
 
God knows all Fasbillah, he knows what you and I are doing YET does he intervene when we do something wrong? no we are left to our own devices.
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
God knows all Fasbillah, he knows what you and I are doing YET does he intervene when we do something wrong? no we are left to our own devices.
Click to expand...


When it comes to someone saying something about Allaah and pretending that they have His Message - then Allaah humiliates that person and gives them an evil death, unless they repent and submit before death overtakes them.

All you're trying to do is prove your claim without any evidence at all, you can't even prove that the Qur'an is distorted since it isn't. But you'll carry on going along with that claim blindly. If this Qur'an was made by humans, then it would have loads of contradictions in, yet you havn't been able to respond to what i've said regarding the Islamic beliefs. Infact, it's your beliefs which i've asked you about many many times yet you havn't responded to them at all.
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Well to be honest, as Mohammed himself did not write the Quran, I can say what it states to be the words of Moahmemd are not his. so can't be from God. His companions wrote it. Not Mohmmed so, In my opinion his message is unknown to man. So God did see the future but respect is still bestowed upon the Messengers as they were send by God.
Click to expand...

brother, as i explained to u when i PM'd you, the companions wrote what the prophet muhammed told them to. he would receive revelation, and would tell his companions to write such and such. The revelation still came down to the prophet.

And dont forget, the Quran was primarily an oral tradition, it was learnt off by heart by hundreds of people then, and now thousands know it today, if i'm not mistaken its something like 10 million muslims 2day know the whole quran off by heart. and its exactly the same whether its in australia, china, pakistan, india or the UK

so the revelation has not been changed, and is the same 2day as was back then. the writing was carefully checked, so the companions would not have recorded it down incorrectly

And as i already explained 2 u, our prophet was an illiterate, that is why it was written down by others. The reason 4 this was so that people cant say later "muhammed copied from the christian sources" or thngs like that, since history bears witness he was an illiterate, and every1 knew him as one

And you keep evading my questions. Why would God choose prophets who he knew would fail? Whats the point???
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
God knows all Fasbillah, he knows what you and I are doing YET does he intervene when we do something wrong? no we are left to our own devices.
Click to expand...

Because life is a test, its why we are created. God will reward those who did good, and punish those who did bad
 
okay first you say that muhammad (P.B.U.H) is indeed a prophet.

i say to you that if you learn about the science of isnad you will know how did muslims preserve their holy books.

and here is what the honest prophet said:

Amir b Sa'd b. Abi Waqqas reported (On the authority of his father that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) addressing 'All said: You are in the same position with relation to me as Aaron-(Harun) was in relation to Moses but with (this explicit difference) that there is no prophet after me. Sa'd said: I had an earnest desire to hear it directly from Sa'd, so I met him and narrated to him what (his son) Amir had narrated to me, whereupon he said: Yes, I did hear it. I said: Did you hear it yourself? Thereupon he placed his fingers upon his ears and said: Yes, and if not, let both my ears become deaf. (authintic bukhary and muslim)


SO from this hadith we know that any one says he is a prophet after Muhammad (P.B.U.H) then this one is a fake.
 
Last edited:
AvarAllahNoor said:
OK, I'll let it rest let Allah decide when we are judged. :D
Click to expand...

brother, please answer the question. I genuinely want to know. According to you sikh doctrine believes God sent prophets like adam, jesus moses etc but what they preached was deviant, as they didnt follow all of Gods commandments? Am I correct?

So can you please explain why God (who we both agree to being All-Great, All-Knowing, and knows what people will do in the future) would then chose people to lead mankind to good, but yet God knows these people will eventially turn out to be bad? Why choose such people? What is the wisdom here?

Also on a seperate note, all prophets preached the existence of heaven/hell. That includes Abraham, Noah,Moses,Jesus and Muhammed peace be upon them all.

You're saying this is not true, since the gurus did not teach this. Well I would like to analyse this claim logically

The essence of heaven/hell is that the wrong doers will be punished. Prophet Muhammed pbuh for example several times in the Quran mentions how liars, especially those that claim revelation will end up in the hell-fire. logically, why would he preach this, and then himself do the exact opposite, ie make up verses that god has revealed to him?

Similarly with all the other propphets who also preached heaven/hell, why say theres such a place for bad people and liars and blasphemers, and yet themselves indulge in the biggest sins, writing lies in the name of God. And its not just isolated cases, apparently its all of the prophets of the Bible and the Quran who did this

tell me, is this logical, that all of them thought like this? All of them went astray, and all of them preached a mythical place called heaven and hell, ALL of them??? It doesnt make any sense
 
Maybe I did'nt word it correctly - The Prophets sent before were not deviant. (Well apart from Krishan and his hundreds of Gopis) but the message did not get across as intended. Now Fas, yes we are going to be judged by God. who isn't?

Anway, all are to be respected but the Sikh message is that God is one, regardless of names he's referred too.

Also Mohammed stated hell was full of women, how did he come to this conclusion, and why is it full of women only? (or more of?) when men are the doers of eveil more so than women. Just look around you, explain this to me please?
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Also Mohammed stated hell was full of women, how did he come to this conclusion, and why is it full of women only? (or more of?) when men are the doers of eveil more so than women. Just look around you, explain this to me please?
Click to expand...


Ruqayyah Waris Maqsud writes, “After the Farewell Pilgrimage at the Eid prayer, the Prophet walked past the men leaning on Bilal's arm, and came to the rows of women behind them. Bilal spread out a cloth and the Prophet urged the women to be generous with their gifts of charity, for when he had been allowed a glimpse into the flames of Hell, he had noted that most of the people being tormented there were women.

The women were outraged, and one of them instantly stood up boldly and demanded to know why that was so. 'Because,' he replied, 'you women grumble so much, and show ingratitude to your husbands! Even if the poor fellows spent all their lives doing good things for you, you have only to be upset at the least thing and you will say, 'I have never received any good from you!' (Bukhari 1.28, recorded by Ibn Abbas - who was present on that occasion as a child).

At that the women began vigorously to pull off their rings and ear-rings, and throw them into Bilal's cloth.”


Also - if we look at the world population, females have always been more in number than males.


Anway, all are to be respected but the Sikh message is that God is one, regardless of names he's referred too.
Click to expand...


So you don't pray to 'saints' right? Since God is One and none is worthy of worship [i.e. prayers/bowing to etc.] except Him Alone.


Maybe I did'nt word it correctly - The Prophets sent before were not deviant. (Well apart from Krishan and his hundreds of Gopis) but the message did not get across as intended. Now Fas, yes we are going to be judged by God. who isn't?
Click to expand...


Is that part of your beliefs in Sikhism? Since i've heard many different opinions, cali dude - the Sikh on this forum says that its a life of re-incarnation and one can only 'unite' with god if they reach a really high level. So when does the judgement actually take place? Oh yeah - evidence from the GGS please.



Regards.
 
Last edited:
Fas, why do you talk of Saints over and over? Where has it been stated that we do? :)
 
Can you answer my questions first please? :) Maybe i'll answer yours after that.


Thanks.
 
Yes, 'Jeevan Mukut' Free from life (the circle of life and death) can only be achieved if we worship God the Sikh way. Nothing else will do. Judgement takes place in the Court of the Master!

''The Guru speaks of the cycle of reincarnation, the 8.4 million species of beings, and the ways in which actions, karmas, bind the soul to to this cycle. The soul is not subject to death—death is merely the turning of the page in the book of the soul’s journey from God, through the created universe, back to God again.

The Guru instructs us to live with the constant remembrance of death, living the Rehit Maryada (Code of Conduct). We are to act and interact as if we are about to die in the next instant. We are to maintain a preparedness of mind, a meditative attitude, so that, if we were to die in the next instant, we would be ready to answer for our actions in the Presence of the Dharm-Raj, the Lord of Dharma, the Righteous Judge. Regret and attachment will bind us to the cycle of reincarnation, while meditative balance and detachment will allow us to pass through the stages of release, as our soul finds its way to its true home with God.


In the beginning, in the middle and in the end, God exists. Judgement is in His Hands alone. ||15|| (Guru Arjan Dev)
 
So when does the judgement actually take place? Is it with all of mankind gathered together? What will happen when everyone gets judged? What are the consequences for our actions in this life? And how does re-incarnation come into this if every soul bears its own burden only?


In Islaam, we believe that Allaah Alone knows of when the final Day will be, and on that day all of mankind will be gathered together infront of Allaah to be judged, and the witnesses will be brought forth [i.e. the angels who write all we say, the area we did a deed, our own body etc. - can be a witness for or against us.]
 
Once the soul hasl left the body, Unlike your thinking, the body is left here (cremated) and will not be ressurected. However the sould never dies. So when we go to God he'll judge us. Anymore on this i'll get back to you later on.

Now, can you tell answer my question on Mahammed stating that hell was over run with women?
 
I think you ignored my earlier post, its on the previous page. Look forward to your answers by the way, and please bring proof along with it from your scripture.


Thanks again.
 

Similar Threads

Back
Top