Are we gods?

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace ,

Back at ya - neither can you deny the Message of Islam being presented to you. Peace.

i m sure, on the last Day , Christians will find it very hard to explain how 1 God became 3 dieites ? Muslims at least won't face this challenge .


Even if we find that Jesus (p) is God ( may Allah forgive me for writing this ) , we can tell him that all major holy books teach us to worship One God only. That's why o Jesus (p) , we did not worship u but worship ur & our Creator....God Willing , it will be very easy to understand & accept :statisfie

 

[MustafaMc]

...we can tell him that all major holy books teach us to worship One God only. That's why o Jesus (p) , we did not worship u but worship ur & our Creator....God Willing , it will be very easy to understand & accept :statisfie

Yes, Sister it is a matter of faith - faith in our Holy Book and our Prophet that what he spoke about Allah is true. Even in the Bible Jesus is quoted as saying that we should believe the Lord is One.

 

[barney]

Back at ya - neither can you deny the Message of Islam being presented to you. Peace.

Well, he could deny it. Check to see if his profle changes to "muslim". If it dosnt, then he's denying it!

 

[MustafaMc]

Well, he could deny it. Check to see if his profle changes to "muslim". If it dosnt, then he's denying it!

Perhaps we misunderstand each other. I did not mean that he couldn't reject the Message. I meant that he could not claim ignorance of the Truth of the Oneness of God on that Day. For that matter neither of us can make that claim from the other's perspective. Each and every one of us will have to admit that we made the choices that we made of our own free will.

 

[Redeemed]

Back at ya - neither can you deny the Message of Islam being presented to you. Peace.

The way I see it though is Jesus was born of a virgin not the prophet Muhammad; furthermore, Jesus died for my and your sin not Muhammad. It is explicitly stated by the spirit of God that some will depart from the faith and be deceived by lying spirits to abstain from eating certain things. I can infer that that would be Christians turning to other religions. The thing that I find annoying is that Muslims keep saying we Christians worship three Gods. I will not have to explain to God that I believe He is three, because I believe He is ONE. It is you who say I believe He is three not me. But if the gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. (II Corn. 4) Jesus did die and rise again. To believe other than that is to believe a lie. Jesus is not an angel. He is exactly who He says He is (The I am). You don’t know if your saved, but I know that I am. The Jesus you honor is not the same Jesus of the Bible. May you see Has God sees. I pray you do for a short time.
Peace and Blessings of
God's Love, truth and Mercy

 

[Woodrow]

The way I see it though is Jesus was born of a virgin not the prophet Muhammad; furthermore, Jesus died for my and your sin not Muhammad. It is explicitly stated by the spirit of God that some will depart from the faith and be deceived by lying spirits to abstain from eating certain things. I can infer that that would be Christians turning to other religions. The thing that I find annoying is that Muslims keep saying we Christians worship three Gods. I will not have to explain to God that I believe He is three, because I believe He is ONE. It is you who say I believe He is three not me. But if the gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. (II Corn. 4) Jesus did die and rise again. To believe other than that is to believe a lie. Jesus is not an angel. He is exactly who He says He is (The I am). You don’t know if your saved, but I know that I am. The Jesus you honor is not the same Jesus of the Bible. May you see Has God sees. I pray you do for a short time.
Peace and Blessings of
God's Love, truth and Mercy

We have done all we can to show you the truth and the error of your ways. there is little more we can do to guide you free from your error. We can only accept the fact it is your own choice and that you have not been coerced to believe as you do.

Your choice is your own decision and we do respect your right to believe as you do. May Allah(swt) guide you.

 

[Balthasar21]

Yes

Holy Bible ( Hebrew - Greek Key Word Study Bible ) John Chapter 10 , Verse 34 - 35 , And I Quote ; Jesus answered them ( Is it not written in your Law , I said , Ye are Gods . Verse 35 . If he called them Gods , unto whom the Word of God came , and the Scriptures cannot Be Broken


Aramic Word For God



ANUNNAQI / ELOHEEM
Genesis R.T. 1;1-12 , 14 , 16 - 18 , 20 -22 , 24 -28 , 31 ; 2;2 ; 3;1, 5,6,9 ; 4;25 ; 5 ; 1 , 22; 6;2; 7;16 ; 8;1 ; 9 ;1 ; 20;3 ; 22;9 , 12 ; 27;28 ; 28;4 , 30;20 ; 35;4 , 5 ; 41 ; 39

The word '' ANUNNAQI '' means '' Those Who ANU Sent Down , From Heaven To Earth '' . They came from the skies to the planet earth which was originally called Tiamat meaning '' Maiden Of Life ''. And also referred to as Tamtu And Tiwawat , And Qi , Ki , Tiamat .. Is also called Terra , Orb , Arduwt Or Ard . When the greek got hold of the word Qi , They changed it to Ge < Greek > Where the word Geo < Greek > comes from . . The ANUNNAQI in The Bible are called ELOHEEM . They got their name ANUNNAQI When they were coming to Earth . The ANUNNAQI are a race of Supreme Beings .

The word ANUNNAQI is used within The Ancient Tablets such as The Enuma Elish , The Gilgamesh Epics , Etc . The word ELOHEEM <Aramic > means ''' These Beings '' Or '' A Group Of ELOHS '' . ELOHEEMS Are angels of El <Aramic > or messengers of EL ELOH Who is ANU . They are physical Angelic Beings , Not Spooks Or Spirits Or Ghost . They are a host of beings that do the work of EL < Aramic > While on The Planet Earth under an appointed being . Then they are called El < Aramic > Who is under AL or El <Aramic >

The word '' ELOHEEM '' Is found throughout '' The Scroll Of Genesis and is Falsely translated as '' God '' The name ELOHEEM Is used for Both Agreeable And Disagreeable Beings And Even Humans As In Exodus 7 ; 1 , When YAHUWA < Aramic > Told MOSES That He Will Make Him An ELOHEEM For The PHARAOH . The ANUNNAQI , ELOHEEM .. Came to the planet earth to mine for natural resources for the protection of their planet RIZQ , Which Is The 8th Planet In The 19th Galaxy Illyuwn , Which has Three Suns ; UTU , SHAMASH .

And APSU . The ANUNNAQI Can be both '' TOBE <Aramic > or TAYYIB < Arabic > Meaning '' Agreeable or Benevolent Beings '' And RAH < Aramic > Or SHARIYR < Arabic > Meaning '' Disagrreable , or Malevolent Being , '' The Bible Also Calls Them NEPHILIM < Aramic > , Meaning '' Those Who Fell Down '' From the root word NAFALA < Aramic > Meanig '' Superagatory , Gift , Present , Performance , Beings Above , Or A Gift Over And Above What Is Asked ''

 

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Ok, logically, think about it. If we were, as you put it 'Gods', then we would have supernatural powers, no?

We would know everything, no?

We could cure people, no?

Please people, LOGIC. :-\

 

[Muslim Knight]

:salamext:


Please people, LOGIC. :-\

How can you reason logic with people who says 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 ?

Or bread as body?

Wine as blood?

How?

 

[Trumble]

Ok, logically, think about it. If we were, as you put it 'Gods', then we would have supernatural powers, no?

We would know everything, no?

We could cure people, no?

Please people, LOGIC. :-\

Your 'logic' is based solely on three assumptions; that gods must have supernatural powers, that gods must know everything and that gods would/could cure people. Or perhaps in reality, one one; that 'a god' can only be as you percieve the God to be... but as the existence of the God as you percieve Him automatically disqualifies the existence of other gods anyway that is just begging the question.

The first assumption, to me, seems reasonable but the second two are not (the Greek, Roman and Norse gods would immediately fail on those grounds, for example).

 

[Balthasar21]

Sound like a few of you guys here want to pick and Choose what part of the scriptures you want to Accept .

Genesis Chapter 6 , Verse 1-4 ( Hebrew -Greek Key Word Study Bible ) And I Quote ; And it came to pass , when Men began to multiply on the face of the Earth , and daughters were born unto them . Verse 2 . That the Sons of God Saw the daughters of men that they were Fair and they took them Wives of all which they Chose . Verse 3 . And the Lord said , My Spirit Shall not Always Strive with man , for that he also is Flesh yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years . Verse . There were Giants in the Earth in those days ; and also after that . when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men . And they Bare children to them ,the same became Mighty Men , which were Of Old Men of renown .

 

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:salamext:

Hold up hold up,

Sons of God

First of all, why would God, the Ultimate God, have a son in the first place?
Forget religion, logically that don't make no sense!

Why would the Ultimate God need a wife/son/mother/father/family/relatives/mother in law/father in law, etc. (see how ridiculous it gets) :-\

 

[Redeemed]

:salamext:

Hold up hold up,



First of all, why would God, the Ultimate God, have a son in the first place?
Forget religion, logically that don't make no sense!

Why would the Ultimate God need a wife/son/mother/father/family/relatives/mother in law/father in law, etc. (see how ridiculous it gets) :-\

Why does God not want us to lean to our own understanding? And if God is not a begetter, who begot Jesus; in other words, we know Mary was his mother, but who was the father? If Jesus wasn't begotten by God, how did He become???

 

[Balthasar21]

:salamext:

Hold up hold up,



First of all, why would God, the Ultimate God, have a son in the first place?
Forget religion, logically that don't make no sense!

Why would the Ultimate God need a wife/son/mother/father/family/relatives/mother in law/father in law, etc. (see how ridiculous it gets) :-\

Genesis Chapter 1; 26- 28 ( Hebrew -Greek Key Word Study Bible ) And I Quote ; And God said , Let us Make Man in our Image after our Likeness and let them Have Dominion over the Fish of the sea , and over the fowl of the Air and over the cattle , and over all the earth , and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the Earth .

Verse 27 . So God Created Man ib his own Image in the Image of God created he him Male and Female created he them .

Verse 28 . And God blessed them , and God said unto them , Be fruithful and multiply and Replenish the earth and subdue ; and Have Dominion over the fish of the sea , and over the fowl of the air , and over every Living Thing that moveth upon the earth .


El's Holy Qur'aan Chapter 50 , Verse 81 , ( Original Order Chapter 50 ) Revealed In The Year 618 A.D. vERSE 26 , 32 , 33 , 57 , 73 -80 Were Reveaked In Medina , And I Quote ; And tell them this , ( Muhammad ) '' The facts ( Beyond any doubt ) have come and false ways were to vanish , Surely , the false ways were to vanish in time

 

[Woodrow]

Why does God not want us to lean to our own understanding? And if God is not a begetter, who begot Jesus; in other words, we know Mary was his mother, but who was the father? If Jesus wasn't begotten by God, how did He become???

Perhaps, we can look at Adam(as) and ask the same question.

 

[Redeemed]

We have done all we can to show you the truth and the error of your ways. there is little more we can do to guide you free from your error. We can only accept the fact it is your own choice and that you have not been coerced to believe as you do.

Your choice is your own decision and we do respect your right to believe as you do. May Allah(swt) guide you.

If I see someone in a burning building, I am going to shout and keep shouting even if I get rejected to warn him or her. There is nothing I can do if they refuse to believe they are in danger. I see the fire from the outside of the building, but they can't see it from the inside. Jesus said of all the man on earth there was never a greater prophet than John the Baptist, but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. John said of Jesus, "The one who comes after me, I am not worthy to touch His shoes." The Bible states that
We should not lean to our own understanding. Muslims say that God is not begotten. That is true, because He always was and always will be. But if God is not a begetter, who begot Jesus; in other words, we know Mary was his mother, but who was the father? If God didn’t beget Jesus, how did He become??? And why would Jesus refer to God as His Father and expect us to do the same. Please don't tell me that the Bible is not reliable, cause when it comes to these things, all Bible versions and translations are in unity. There is no mistake here.

 

[Balthasar21]

I am interested in the word you used "However" and the part where you said God said, "be" and it happened. That is how Mary conceived. If Jesus wasn't begotten, than how did He become? And if He is begotten, who is the begetter? The Bible says, "For God so loved the world that HE gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. (Jn. 3:16) You are surely going through a lot of trouble to try to explain away this truth even something that makes more sense than what you say. I went to the Franklin Graham festival at the Scope in Norfolk (it is still going on) and there were thousands of Christians and people of other religions there. I heard beautiful testimonies of how people gave their lives to Christ and their lives were changed forever. They said they were convinced even as I am that Jesus is the solid Rock on which they stand and all other ground is sinking sand. Jesus said He is the Way, and that way is narrow (Few find it), but the way to destruction is wide and many go that way. There is coming a time that every knee will bow to Jesus to confess that he is Lord only for some people that will do them no good for salvation purposes because they will be thrown into the lake of fire. Jesus said He is the only WAY. I’d be lost forever to neglect so great a salvation. We will die soon and then comes the judgment. You cannot say I didn’t try to warn you.

If Jesus was God then who was he praying to ?
And if he was God why would he have a need to pray ?

 

[Redeemed]

If Jesus was God then who was he praying to ?
And if he was God why would he have a need to pray ?

Good qestion. Remember that God is a Spirit, and He can be at more than one place at a time. He is onmipresent (not the devil). However, His ways are past finding out. I don't know much, but I'll share what I know. I believe that God is a Spirit; in fact, the Bible says that He is, and that those who worship Him must do it in spirit and in truth. I, however, have no problem believing that God can inhabit a human person or be in more that more place at a single moment in time. We do not limit what God can do. We do not look at God as if He is limited to the confines of time and space, as we know it. I have no problem believing that God's word could be made flesh, nor to I have a problem seeing God as all wise, merciful and Holy. Since He is Holy and a Spirit, I have no problem as seeing Him as the Holy Spirit and yet the same one true God. To try to understand the essence of God in terms of human dimensions only leads to horrible heresies of which Muslims think us guilty of. I look at Jesus who was the only prophet (Son of Man) to be sinless and conceived of a virgin (Son of Mary). That alone should be a sign and I hint as to the true nature of Jesus Christ. Since He did not have an earthly father, it only confirms that through the prophets and even Jesus Himself the Bible speaks absolute truth has His Father being God. It is written in the Scriptures, "He that has the Son has life; he that has not the Son, as not life, but the wrath of God abides on him." I do not want the wrath of God abiding on me. I would have to be spiritually dead to believe that He is not who He says. I believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God to the true believers and follows of Christ. There are no mistakes in it pertaining to who Jesus really is.

 

[Woodrow]

If I see someone in a burning building, I am going to shout and keep shouting even if I get rejected to warn him or her. There is nothing I can do if they refuse to believe they are in danger. I see the fire from the outside of the building, but they can't see it from the inside. Jesus said of all the man on earth there was never a greater prophet than John the Baptist, but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. John said of Jesus, "The one who comes after me, I am not worthy to touch His shoes." The Bible states that
We should not lean to our own understanding. Muslims say that God is not begotten. That is true, because He always was and always will be. But if God is not a begetter, who begot Jesus; in other words, we know Mary was his mother, but who was the father? If God didn’t beget Jesus, how did He become??? And why would Jesus refer to God as His Father and expect us to do the same. Please don't tell me that the Bible is not reliable, cause when it comes to these things, all Bible versions and translations are in unity. There is no mistake here.

It is quite obvious you have no intent to accept Islam and that you have hardened your heart against becoming Muslim. So please stop spreading your erroneous message. this baord is designed to promote and spread Islam. If that is not your intention, do not attempt to spread any other message, which we know to be false.

 

[Balthasar21]

Good qestion. Remember that God is a Spirit, and He can be at more than one place at a time. He is onmipresent (not the devil). However, His ways are past finding out. I don't know much, but I'll share what I know. I believe that God is a Spirit; in fact, the Bible says that He is, and that those who worship Him must do it in spirit and in truth. I, however, have no problem believing that God can inhabit a human person or be in more that more place at a single moment in time. We do not limit what God can do. We do not look at God as if He is limited to the confines of time and space, as we know it. I have no problem believing that God's word could be made flesh, nor to I have a problem seeing God as all wise, merciful and Holy. Since He is Holy and a Spirit, I have no problem as seeing Him as the Holy Spirit and yet the same one true God. To try to understand the essence of God in terms of human dimensions only leads to horrible heresies of which Muslims think us guilty of. I look at Jesus who was the only prophet (Son of Man) to be sinless and conceived of a virgin (Son of Mary). That alone should be a sign and I hint as to the true nature of Jesus Christ. Since He did not have an earthly father, it only confirms that through the prophets and even Jesus Himself the Bible speaks absolute truth has His Father being God. It is written in the Scriptures, "He that has the Son has life; he that has not the Son, as not life, but the wrath of God abides on him." I do not want the wrath of God abiding on me. I would have to be spiritually dead to believe that He is not who He says. I believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God to the true believers and follows of Christ. There are no mistakes in it pertaining to who Jesus really is.

There Is No Way To Have A Trinity Without First Separating Each Of The Three Things Indivdually To Declare Then A Trinity . By That I Mean , You Have To First Establish That There Is A Father One Thing And A Son Another Thing And A Holy Ghost The Thrid Thing , In order For These Things To Totally Mix And Become One Thing . They Would Have To Start Off Equal In Rank , Quantity . Space , Density , Authority , Or Existence . In Admitting That The Son Came From The Father , Time Make The Difference , The Father Would Have To Had Been First , Before The Son . This Would Make Them Unequal And Incapable Of Becoming A Balanced Triad . No It Did Not Mean That When It Said God The Father ,,, God The Son , And God The Holy Ghost = One God .. Because Three Cannot Go Into One .