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Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Zulkiflim said:
Salaam,

It is said that at a time man did not know evil till it was taught.

it is the smae with the bible.

why would we want to know wrong when we already have the light?


Infact,i would say most chrisitan should know their onw bible better first.
the many version,the different words and even different number of chapter..

So i would say they should learn more of Islam so they can defend their faith...
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You can do whatever that get you though the day , But your more likely to be blinded by the light then the darkness .
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Since you won't answer my question, for a frame of reference I will assume that you are NOI. www.noi.org

Balthasar21 said:
Here A question for All muslims here ok


If muslims don't read the scriptures before the Quraan Like the Bible Etc .
How will that be able to Defend their faith against the teaching of the christian which is the christians Bible . Insulting / Cussing / Name Calling Etc Doesn't Change The Teaching Of The Christian Bible Nor Does it change the teaching of the Islam Quraan . Do you know how silly Yall sound saysing , My God Is Better Then Your God . Not to mention the same Prophets that's in the Bible are the same Prophet's In The Quraan . This is Sillyness :rollseyes
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We don't need to defend our faith against the Christians, but it is good for us to know what they believe so that we can converse. We don't say our God is better than their's although that is exactly what I have heard some in America say publicly about Islam. We believe there is only One God and there is no better or worse for comparison. If there was only one human being on earth to say that the second or third one is taller or shorter makes no sense, because these are relative terms for an Absolute.
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Balthasar21 said:
You can do whatever that get you though the day , But your more likely to be blinded by the light then the darkness .
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Salaam,

I have a story for you..

An Imam was very strong in his faith and was always diligent in performing the acts of worship,,till one day he met another who was more pious and more worshipful person,Kharim..With the desire to be as him,he asked how did you submissive?

and the man siad,becasue i have done many ills in my life and thus i know what i need to do to repent.
And so in desiring the good ,the imam so went out and performed the ill that this man teaches.
he fornicated,he drank and murdered..and slowly bit by bit he forgot about worhsipo and fell in love wiht t

he forgot the reason and fell headlong into ill and evil acts.

Karim laughed and said You fell and will never leave,...revealing him to be satan..

so there is no need for us to read the bible with content that is filled with ungodly words,pornographic and incestous ..we have no need of such..

islam is enough,it teaches the right ....not the wrong.
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Zulkiflim said:
Salaam,

I have a story for you..

An Imam was very strong in his faith and was always diligent in performing the acts of worship,,till one day he met another who was more pious and more worshipful person,Kharim..With the desire to be as him,he asked how did you submissive?

and the man siad,becasue i have done many ills in my life and thus i know what i need to do to repent.
And so in desiring the good ,the imam so went out and performed the ill that this man teaches.
he fornicated,he drank and murdered..and slowly bit by bit he forgot about worhsipo and fell in love wiht t

he forgot the reason and fell headlong into ill and evil acts.

Karim laughed and said You fell and will never leave,...revealing him to be satan..

so there is no need for us to read the bible with content that is filled with ungodly words,pornographic and incestous ..we have no need of such..

islam is enough,it teaches the right ....not the wrong.
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Overstand something I don't accept Testimont / Story / Sermon , because they can't be proven by anyone other then the one given them .
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

MustafaMc said:
If both the Quran and portions of the Bible are in fact revelations from Allah, then one by default would expect similarities. It does not prove the later was copied from the earlier.

Circumcision was first established with Prophet Ibrahim (pbuh) and the revelation to Prophet Muhammad did not abrogate this requirement.


The concept is completely different. Yes, we have a day for obligatory congregational worship, but we are not prohibitted from working or doing other things prohibited for the Jew on the Sabbath.

Not a part of the religion and is not required for prayer.

Again similarity does not prove copying - rather a common source of revelation which is Allah. These "proofs" don't prove anything to me and have nothing to do with Muslims supposedly being required to read the Bible.
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LOLOLOLOLOLOL Whatever get you through the day .
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

MustafaMc said:
Since you won't answer my question, for a frame of reference I will assume that you are NOI. www.noi.org

We don't need to defend our faith against the Christians, but it is good for us to know what they believe so that we can converse. We don't say our God is better than their's although that is exactly what I have heard some in America say publicly about Islam. We believe there is only One God and there is no better or worse for comparison. If there was only one human being on earth to say that the second or third one is taller or shorter makes no sense, because these are relative terms for an Absolute.
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You can dance around all you want but no way will YOU be able to converse with the christian or any other religion for that mattter if you haven't read their holy book . Also if you knew the teaching of NOI , You would know from my post I'm not one of them . This only show that you NEED TO READ THE BIBLE And OTHER SCRIPTURES because your lock into a zone .
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

whether a 12ver or NOI or any other goofy type; it should all be the same to us.

I don't know what has happenned to Br. Mohammed but once he comes back, I'll probly make a nuisance of myself and try to get him to get rid of you (doesn't work all the time but often enough it does) for you are not beneficial to this site or forum members
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Salaam/ peace;


Balthasar21 said:
.... you NEED TO READ THE BIBLE And OTHER SCRIPTURES because your lock into a zone .
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I read Bible long ago. I saw warning in Bible that ( not the exact words ) God is jealous & will take revenge ; So , don't take other dieties besides God ; God is grater than all etc , etc.

I don't know after reading these verses in Bible , specially the warning that God is very jealous & will take revenge .....how Christians dare to take 2 equal partners with God Almighty ?

Christians are indeed " very brave " LOL +o(

Anyway , a simple ans to the post title / thread question is NO , for guidance purpose , Muslims are not oblilgated to read the Bible.

As Quran is the Last Testament / Final holy Book , it's a MUST for all to read the Quran ----NOT the Bible.


Holy Quran

The Saba


Say: Call upon those whom you assert besides God;

they do not control the weight of an atom in the heavens or in the earth nor have they any partnership in either,



nor has He among them any one to back (Him) up.

[34.22]



The Children of Israel


And say: (All) praise is due to God, Who has not taken a son and Who has not a partner in the kingdom,

and Who has not a helper to save Him from disgrace; and proclaim His greatness magnifying (Him). [17.111]


Surah/ Chapter Imran (The Family of Imran)

The Third Surah of the Qur'aan

Al-Hilali/Khan Translation



Say (O Muhammad ):

"O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allâh,



and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allâh.

Then, if they turn away, say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims."

http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/quran/surah3.html

 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Balthasar21 said:
You can dance around all you want but no way will YOU be able to converse with the christian or any other religion for that mattter if you haven't read their holy book . Also if you knew the teaching of NOI , You would know from my post I'm not one of them . This only show that you NEED TO READ THE BIBLE And OTHER SCRIPTURES because your lock into a zone .
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Salaam,

I can convrse with anyone of any religion ....

i do not read their book but i listen to what they say and tell them of Islam.

their book is holy to them not to to me,and i do nto need to read your holy book nor any other.

An explae you are of an unknown religion but we are having a conversation
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Muslim Woman said:
Salaam/ peace;





I read Bible long ago. I saw warning in Bible that ( not the exact words ) God is jealous & will take revenge ; So , don't take other dieties besides God ; God is grater than all etc , etc.

I don't know after reading these verses in Bible , specially the warning that God is very jealous & will take revenge .....how Christians dare to take 2 equal partners with God Almighty ?

Christians are indeed " very brave " LOL +o(

Anyway , a simple ans to the post title / thread question is NO , for guidance purpose , Muslims are not oblilgated to read the Bible.

As Quran is the Last Testament / Final holy Book , it's a MUST for all to read the Quran ----NOT the Bible.


Holy Quran

The Saba


Say: Call upon those whom you assert besides God;

they do not control the weight of an atom in the heavens or in the earth nor have they any partnership in either,



nor has He among them any one to back (Him) up.

[34.22]



The Children of Israel


And say: (All) praise is due to God, Who has not taken a son and Who has not a partner in the kingdom,

and Who has not a helper to save Him from disgrace; and proclaim His greatness magnifying (Him). [17.111]


Surah/ Chapter Imran (The Family of Imran)

The Third Surah of the Qur'aan

Al-Hilali/Khan Translation



Say (O Muhammad ):

"O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allâh,



and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allâh.

Then, if they turn away, say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims."

http://www.al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/quran/surah3.html
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Ques ; Why can't women in Islam lead prayer ?
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Balthasar21 said:
Ques ; Why can't women in Islam lead prayer ?
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Salaam,

Do make a new thread when you a differnt question.

So are you satisfied that we muslim need not have to read any other religion book to have a conversation with the adherent of that religion?

I gave you as an exaple..we are having a conversation despite not knowing your religion nor reading your book..
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Zulkiflim said:
Salaam,

Do make a new thread when you a differnt question.

So are you satisfied that we muslim need not have to read any other religion book to have a conversation with the adherent of that religion?

I gave you as an exaple..we are having a conversation despite not knowing your religion nor reading your book..
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Let me say this one more time your own scriptures tell muslims to read the scriptures before the qur'aan meaning the Bible etc . Personally I careless if you read it or not , You can't Discuss or have A Conversation about anything you don't know , And that's the real deal .
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

MustafaMc said:
Oh, you meant this passage:

Surah 3 1 Alif Lam M'im

2 Allah! There is no god but Him; the Living, the Eternal.

3 He has revealed to you this Book with the Truth, confirming the scripture which preceded it, as He revealed the Taurat (Torah) and Injeel (Gospel),

4 before this, as a guidance for mankind and also revealed this Al-Furqan. Surely those who reject Allah's revelations will be sternly punished; Allah is Mighty, capable of retribution.

5 For sure nothing in the Earth or in the Heavens is hidden from Allah.

And do you claim that the Pauline letters and the book of Revelations are part of either the Injeel or the Taurat?
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First overstand letter's are not Scriptures anyway Paul is the Anti-Christ of the Bible .

( First I Never Claim This Or That I Deal In Fact's )

( What Is The Injiyl Mentioned In The Muslim Quraan ? )

So Muslims will say , 'The Gospel .

The Quraan , Which means '' The Two Readings '' From the root word Qara'a was written by men , Is making a major mistake by trying to convince people that Jesus received The Gospel , Al Injiyl , As they call it ; When in fact he did not , And this is what this section is about . In The Qur'aan , The New Testament is referred to as , Al Injiyl , Which is inaccurate and wrong . They use Qur'aan Chapter 2 ; 126 , That reads '' Quuluuu 'Aamannaa Billaahi Wa Maaa 'Unzzila 'IIaynaa Wa Maaa 'Unzila 'Illaaa 'Ibraahiima Wa 'Ismaa - Iila Wa 'Ishaaqa Wa Ya - Quuba Wal - Asbaati Wa Maa 'Uutiya Muusaa Wa ' Iissa Wa Maaa 'Untiyannabiyyuuna Mir - Rabbihim , Laa Nufarriqu Bayna ' Ahadimminhum , Wa Nahnu Lahuu Muslimuun ,

First of all , This is not a correct translation , But again you will will be able to see the point by looking at The Arabic translation , Which I underlined below , and it translates '' Say Ye ; '' We Believe In Allah , And The Revelation Given To Us , And To Abraham , Ishmael , Isaac , Jacob , And The Tribe , And That Given To Moses And Jesus , And That Given To [ All ] Prophets From Their Lord , We Make No Difference Between One And Another Of Them And We Bow To Allah [ In Islam ] ,

Qur'aan 2 ; 136 ,( Right translation In Ashuric / Syriac Arabic ) And I Quote ; Qoo - loo ( You all are to say , Tell ) Aaman -naa ( We have faith ) Be - al - lahi ( In the source ) Wa ( And ) Maaa ( What , That which ) Unzila ( He sent down ) Ilaynaa ( To , towards us ) Wa ( And ) Maa ( What , That Which ) Unzila ( He sent down Ilaaa ( To , towards ) Abraa -Heema ( Abraham the father of many nations ) Wa ( And ) Ismaa - 'Eela ( Ishmael , Allah Or El Hears ) Wa ( And ) Ishaaqa ( Isaac He Who Laughs ) Wa ( And ) Ya 'aqooba ( Jacob Supplanter ) Wa ( And ) Al - Asbaati ( The tribes ) Wa ( And ) Maaa ( What , That Which ) Oo -tiya ( Was given ) Moosaa ( Moses , drawn forth ) Wa ( And ) 'Eesaa ( Jesus Savior ) Wa ( And ) Maa ( What , That which ) Oo-tiya ( Was given ) Al -nabe -yoona ( The Newsbearers ) Min ( From ) Rab - bihim ( Their Sustainer ) Laa ( Don't , not ) Nufar -riqu ( We make a distinction ) Bayna ( Between ) Ahadin ( Anyone ) Minhum ( From Them ) .
Tell them this ( Muhammad ) '' We ( Muhammad and his followers ) have faith in Allah , And what he sent down to us ( The Quraan ) and he sent down to Abrawhawm and Yishmael and Yitschaq , and Ya'aqob and the tribes and , What was given to Mosheh , ( The Torah and Isa / Yashu'a - ( The Revelation and what was given to the Anbiyaa , Newsbearers , From Their Rabb , Master We ( Muhammad and his followers ) Do not Nufarriqu , 'Make any distinction ' Between any of them and we Muslimuwm ' Surrender in peace ' to him .

( Mistranslation By Yusef Ali 1938 A.D. )
''say ye ; We believe in Allah , And the revelation given to us , And to Abraham , Ismail , Isaac , Jacob , And the tribes , And that given to Moses and Jesus , And that given to ( all ) prophets from their lord we make no diffrence between one and another of them and we bow to Allah (Islam ) .


( This part here is what we are conerned with ; Wa Maaa 'Uutiya ( Given ) Muusaa ( Moses ) Wa 'Iysaa ( Jesus ) .

This part of the above verse translates '' And What Was Given Moses And Jesus Now , Qur'aan 3 ; 3 Clearly States ; Nazzala 'Alaykal - Kitaaba Bil - Haqqi Musaddiql - Limaa Bayna Yadayhi Wa 'Anzalat - Tawraata Wal - 'Injiil ,

Which they translate as ; '' It Is He Who Sent Down To Thee ( Step By Step ) In Truth The Book Comfirming What Went Before It , And He Sent Down The Law ( Of Moses ) And The Gospel ( Of Jesus ) , According to the Yusef Ali Translation .

The Yusef Ali translation is Incorrect , But the point is still clear if you look at the Transliterated Arabic above . The implication is that Moses got The Torah written as At Tawraat in The Ashuric / Syriac Arabic , And Jesus got The Gospel Written 'Al Injiyl ' In The Above . And Jesus Never Did Receive A Scripture , Again Allah Or The Writers Of The Qur'aan Made A Mistake !!!!!



More to come
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Balthasar21 said:
Let me say this one more time your own scriptures tell muslims to read the scriptures before the qur'aan meaning the Bible etc . Personally I careless if you read it or not , You can't Discuss or have A Conversation about anything you don't know , And that's the real deal .
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CHALLENGE - Quote the Quran chapter and verse right here and now where "your own scriptures tell muslims to read the scriptures before the qur'aan meaning the Bible etc" is clear to anyone other than yourself. You can copy and paste the passage in your reply and put in bold font the part whereby you get this understanding.
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Balthasar21 said:
First overstand letter's are not Scriptures anyway Paul is the Anti-Christ of the Bible .
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Since you are so intent on schooling Muslims, what does "overstand" mean? I can't find it in the dictionary.
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Muslim Woman said:


Salaam/peace;



LOL LOL LOL

this allegation has been proved wrong long long ago.

How come Quran does not have any errors that Bible has ? Bible has so many copyist mistakes when Quran has none ?


u believe While copying from Bible , Prophet Muhammed (p) ignored all the errors of the previous books ?

Just read about Hamam story ( available in this forum ) found in Bible & Quran....u will understand how Quran is different from Bible.

u may also read this article written by our 2 Revert brothers ( ex Christian missionaries )


Bible Compared to Quran

Based on transcripts of vairous lectures given by Yusuf Estes & Dr. Gary Miller

http://islamtomorrow.com/articles/Bible_vs_Quran.asp
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With all do respect Paul of the christian says it best when it comes to women,
And I do believe muslims accept this verse Also 1Corinthians 14 ; 34 , And I Quote ; Let Your Woman Keep Silence In Churches / Masjid ; For it is not permitted unto them to speak , But they are commanded to be under obedience , As also saith the law '' .
 
Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

MustafaMc said:
Since you are so intent on schooling Muslims, what does "overstand" mean? I can't find it in the dictionary.
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So you have learn something Knew yes .
When one Over-Stand something it means He / She is Standing Over It Not Under it .
 

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