How much Christians know about Bible? What about Muslims?

[MustafaMc]

I DO understand that. And in my opinion, the inspiration that Paul received from the Holy Spirit in writing his letters IS equal in nature to Gabriel speaking aloud to Muhammad, inclusive of the annual rehearsal. I wrote as I believe and worded it as I intended.

Yes, I agree that Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) claim to Divine revelation is "equal in nature" to that of "Prophet" Paul. Our faith depends on who we choose to believe.

A distinction between Muslims, Christians, and Jews is that:

1) Muslims accept both Jesus and Muhammad (pbut) as prophets of the One God, but they outright reject Paul and the other NT authors as legitimate prophets with Divine revelations.

2) Christians accept Jesus (pbuh) as the only begotten Son of God and at the same time God, Paul and the other NT authors are accepted as de facto prophets with Divine revelation from God/Jesus, but they outright reject Muhammad (pbuh).

3) Jews reject Jesus as Son of God while Jesus, NT authors and Muhammad are rejected as prophets with Divine revelation. They are held as no more than ordinary men, or something less.

Do others see it different than I do?

 

[Redeemed]

I was under the assumption that the only Prophets the bible mentions God(swt) speaking personaly to are Moses,Abraham and Jesus (Peace Be Upon Them). I could be wrong. But, my curiosity is now aroused, can you state any specific passages where God(swt) spoke directly to others?

At the mount of transfiguration God said of Jesus and Peter, James and John were there: "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased hear ye Him" Also, God spoke to Samuel concerning or because of Eli's negligence to come down on evil in the site of the Lord. He also spoke to Adam in the garden of Eden.

 

[Redeemed]

God called him Lord? Did he mean with it God? Any way can you tell us where did he call him such?

Absolutely, in fact He did call Him God! You know I don't say things I can't back up! I have been a truthful witness to you and I have no intention of lying. That would be self defeating. I am so excited because my name is written in God's book of life.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

Hi Muslim Woman:
Yes, the Bible is replete with assurance; for instance, John 6:40 Jesus said, "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day." It is also witten in 1 John "These thing I write unto to you that you might know that you have eternal life and that life is in His Son." I hope this helps.
Sincerely

I wanted to know where Bible says ALL Christians have reserved seats in heaven ?

If there is a clear verse that says so , then how come so many non-Catholics are sending Mother Teresa to a very hot place ? ooooppppsss +o( mg:


Also Jesus (p) warned u that just uttering the word foolish ----- u will be thrown in to fire ......so , Christians must not sing & dance with joy that they surely have reserved seats in the garden.

I don't know why so many Chrsitians ( don't take anything personally pl. ) are fearless & took it as for granted that heaven is surely created for them only----does not matter what they do in this world.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

You will find that many Muslims on this board will state that they too believe in Jesus.

it's a must for ALL Muslims to believe in Jesus (p).

Now we know that when a Muslim says this, they do not mean the same thing that a Christian does when they say it. Jehevoah's Witnessess, Christian Scientists, and Mormons mean it more like Muslims do and not like Christians do.

Muslims don't believe that Jesus (p) is Saviour but what about JW , CS & Mormons ......don't they believe Jesus (p) as Saviour ?

 

[Redeemed]

God called him Lord? Did he mean with it God? Any way can you tell us where did he call him such?

No he did not mean with God. By the way, the Qur'an misrepresents Biblical Christianity. It bases its assumptions on Catholicism, because no where in the Bible does it state that followers of Christ are to include Mary as deity or part of the trinity. Remember, we do not see God as one in three gods. We see Him as one substance yet three persons, and contrary to the Qur'an Mary is not part of it.

 

[Redeemed]

Salaam/peace;




it's a must for ALL Muslims to believe in Jesus (p).






Muslims don't believe that Jesus (p) is Saviour but what about JW , CS & Mormons ......don't they believe Jesus (p) as Saviour ?

Mormons and Jw's are cults they have no place in Biblical Christianity!

 

[Grace Seeker]

Yes, I agree that Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) claim to Divine revelation is "equal in nature" to that of "Prophet" Paul. Our faith depends on who we choose to believe.

A distinction between Muslims, Christians, and Jews is that:

1) Muslims accept both Jesus and Muhammad (pbut) as prophets of the One God, but they outright reject Paul and the other NT authors as legitimate prophets with Divine revelations.

2) Christians accept Jesus (pbuh) as the only begotten Son of God and at the same time God, Paul and the other NT authors are accepted as de facto prophets with Divine revelation from God/Jesus, but they outright reject Muhammad (pbuh).

3) Jews reject Jesus as Son of God while Jesus, NT authors and Muhammad are rejected as prophets with Divine revelation. They are held as no more than ordinary men, or something less.

Do others see it different than I do?

I concur with your capsulization.

 

[Redeemed]

Salaam/peace;





I wanted to know where Bible says ALL Christians have reserved seats in heaven ?

If there is a clear verse that says so , then how come so many non-Catholics are sending Mother Teresa to a very hot place ? ooooppppsss +o( mg:


Also Jesus (p) warned u that just uttering the word foolish ----- u will be thrown in to fire ......so , Christians must not sing & dance with joy that they surely have reserved seats in the garden.

I don't know why so many Chrsitians ( don't take anything personally pl. ) are fearless & took it as for granted that heaven is surely created for them only----does not matter what they do in this world.

You error not knowing the Scriptures. THE FEAR OF GOD IS THE BEGINNING OF WISDOM AND KNOWLEGE. Our names are written in the book of life because we have accepted Christ's atonement for our sin and so has God. Unfortunately, however, Muslims don't have this security. There salvation is based on what God wills even if they have lived a life full of good works they are not sure of their eternal destiny. For you to say you are sure of it would be presumptuous according to Islam, but not so for the Christians we have boldness and a security that we enjoy; moreover, the fruit of it will be eternal life in paradise where God has prepared a mansion for us. That doesn't mean we could live in sin. God is not mocked whatever a man sows so shall he reap. But we are free to serve God in a close relationship where He is close to us even closer than the air we breathe.

:statisfie

 

[Grace Seeker]

Salaam/peace;





I wanted to know where Bible says ALL Christians have reserved seats in heaven ?

Mine is Section B, row DD, seat 25.

If there is a clear verse that says so , then how come so many non-Catholics are sending Mother Teresa to a very hot place ? ooooppppsss +o( mg:

Because even among Christians there are some who are prejudicial idiots.

Also Jesus (p) warned u that just uttering the word foolish ----- u will be thrown in to fire ......so , Christians must not sing & dance with joy that they surely have reserved seats in the garden.

I don't know what you are getting at here.

I don't know why so many Chrsitians ( don't take anything personally pl. ) are fearless & took it as for granted that heaven is surely created for them only----does not matter what they do in this world.

I don't know why either. Paul cleary preaches against the idea that Christians are given a license to do whatever they choose:

"Everything is permissible for me"—but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"—but I will not be mastered by anything. "Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"—but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. (1 Corinthians 6:12-13)

and

"Everything is permissible"—but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible"—but not everything is constructive. Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others. (1 Corinthians 10:23-24)

and

What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? (Romans 6:1-2)

And in Jude it is stated:

They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. (Jude 1:4b)

 

[Grace Seeker]

You error not knowing the Scriptures. THE FEAR OF GOD IS THE BEGINNING OF WISDOM AND KNOWLEGE. Our names are written in the book of life because we have accepted Christ's atonement for our sin and so has God. Unfortunately, however, Muslims don't have this security. There salvation is based on what God wills even if they have lived a life full of good works they are not sure of their eternal destiny. For you to say you are sure of it would be presumptuous according to Islam, but not so for the Christians we have boldness and a security that we enjoy; moreover, the fruit of it will be eternal life in paradise where God has prepared a mansion for us. That doesn't mean we could live in sin. God is not mocked whatever a man sows so shall he reap. But we are free to serve God in a close relationship where He is close to us even closer than the air we breathe.

:statisfie

If I may, one small correction to what you have said, I'm sure you actually mean this and it is so much a part of what you just assume as a given you didn't even think to mention it. Our names are written in the book of life NOT because we have accepted Christ's atonement for sin, but because God has graciously accepted our willingness to trust in Christ's atonement for our sin.

 

[Philosopher]

www.bs4a.blogspot.com

 

[Grace Seeker]

Is the investigation of apocrypha only in relation of king James or others also?! Did anything get removed from the bible from the other versions also? Lastly do you have any knowledge as to how the verifiers decide what is apocrypha and what is not? (any article you can point me to?). Thanks.

The early Church did not have a Bible in a bound book as we have today. Bound books were not yet invented. The word Bible is actually a word meaning library, which is what the early bibles were, collections of scrolls in a library. Thus were added and taken out many different books, some of them were considered canonical -- canon being a word which met "rule" and was also used of that one would use as a standard by which one would measure other things. These books that made up the canon were considered the rule or standard by which one measured the rightness of one's faith. In fairly short order, by the middle of the 2nd century the New Testament canon was pretty much in place, though it would not be codified as such till the council of Nicea in 325 AD. The Old Testament canon was something that the early church did not feel they needed to establish. They just worked off of that which the Jews had used as their scriptures. At that point in time, as most Christians were Greek-speakers and not Hebrew-speakers, they used the a Greek translation of the Hebrew Tanakh that was called the Septuagint. This work contained those books that I previously listed as Deuterocanonical. And thus the entire church accepted them. However, in time, the Jews themselves decided to come up with an official list of books that they considered to be scripture, which they had not previously done. In that listing they did not include those books in their official Hebrew listing of the Tanakh that I have mentioned now repeatedly. When Luther rebelled against the Pope saying that he had led the Church astray from its roots, among the many things that he did was to translate the Bible in German for the common people to have access to it. But he decided to use the Jewish list of books of the Tanakh for the Old Testament rather than those listed in the Septuagint. And Catholics and Protestants have been split over that ever since as one of the fall-outs of the Reformation. Thus this decision effects every Bible translation. One must decide which list of canonical books one is going to accept as correct.

For much more depth on this and from a Catholic view of this issue, go to:

Canon of the Old Testament, Canon of the New Testament, Manuscripts of the Bible, Versions of the Bible, Apocrypha, (I do suggest reading them in the order I listed them in.)

 

[Redeemed]

If I may, one small correction to what you have said, I'm sure you actually mean this and it is so much a part of what you just assume as a given you didn't even think to mention it. Our names are written in the book of life NOT because we have accepted Christ's atonement for sin, but because God has graciously accepted our willingness to trust in Christ's atonement for our sin.

I didn't think any Christians were reading what I wrote. I have mentioned many times and in many different ways that we are saved because of what Christ did not any righteousness of our own. i HAVE MENTIONED THAT IT WAS BECAUSE OF HIS SHED BLOOD FOR WITHOUT THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD THERE IS NO REMISSION FOR SIN. OOPS, I accidentally hit the caps button, but i don't want to retype. Muslims don't accept Christ as their personal Lord and Savior; therefore, they are facing a Christless eternity. The path to salvation is clear: for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, and the wages of sin is death (eternity without Jesus), but the gift of God is eternal life only through Jesus. It is written, "If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believes unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." I think that about covers it. Ro.10:9-10.
Godbless you Bro.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

Mine is Section B, row DD, seat 25.

and my hot seat no : is ......???

Because even among Christians there are some who are prejudicial idiots.

But if there is a clear verse that says anybody takes Jesus (p) as Saviour will surely go to heaven , then why the question arised about Mother Teresa ?



I heard that many debates took place among Church members if women have souls or not , if women will go to heaven or not etc . Why they had such debates ?



I found it quite surprising & also scary that so many Christians believe they don't have to be good / stay away from sins to go heaven.

They think , just because they believe --our Lord is Christ (p) , they won't taste hell fire. From where they got that idea that they will surely go to heaven ?

What role Church is playing to remove this wrong concept ( if it's wrong ) ?

 

[MustafaMc]

You error not knowing the Scriptures. THE FEAR OF GOD IS THE BEGINNING OF WISDOM AND KNOWLEGE. Our names are written in the book of life because we have accepted Christ's atonement for our sin and so has God. Unfortunately, however, Muslims don't have this security. There salvation is based on what God wills even if they have lived a life full of good works they are not sure of their eternal destiny. For you to say you are sure of it would be presumptuous according to Islam, but not so for the Christians we have boldness and a security that we enjoy; moreover, the fruit of it will be eternal life in paradise where God has prepared a mansion for us. That doesn't mean we could live in sin. God is not mocked whatever a man sows so shall he reap. But we are free to serve God in a close relationship where He is close to us even closer than the air we breathe.

:statisfie

The Christian "assurance of salvation" is true ONLY if their doctrine is true. Although they sincerely BELIEVE that the Christian doctrine is true that salvation is assured for those who accept Jesus as their Savior and believe that Jesus was the Son of God and at the same time God, that he died on the cross for their sins, and that he was raised from the dead after 3 days, there is absolutely no way for them to KNOW that it is true on this side of death and Judgment Day. The deception comes in to play when they say they KNOW they are saved.

To be assured of salvation is a great temptation to mislead Muslims from Islam. I hope that all Muslims can see the deception.

 

[Redeemed]

Yes, I agree that Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) claim to Divine revelation is "equal in nature" to that of "Prophet" Paul. Our faith depends on who we choose to believe.

A distinction between Muslims, Christians, and Jews is that:

1) Muslims accept both Jesus and Muhammad (pbut) as prophets of the One God, but they outright reject Paul and the other NT authors as legitimate prophets with Divine revelations.

2) Christians accept Jesus (pbuh) as the only begotten Son of God and at the same time God, Paul and the other NT authors are accepted as de facto prophets with Divine revelation from God/Jesus, but they outright reject Muhammad (pbuh).

3) Jews reject Jesus as Son of God while Jesus, NT authors and Muhammad are rejected as prophets with Divine revelation. They are held as no more than ordinary men, or something less.

Do others see it different than I do?

That is about right.

 

[Redeemed]

The Christian "assurance of salvation" is true ONLY if their doctrine is true. Although they sincerely BELIEVE that the Christian doctrine is true that salvation is assured for those who accept Jesus as their Savior and believe that Jesus was the Son of God and at the same time God, that he died on the cross for their sins, and that he was raised from the dead after 3 days, there is absolutely no way for them to KNOW that it is true on this side of death and Judgment Day. The deception comes in to play when they say they KNOW they are saved.

To be assured of salvation is a great temptation to mislead Muslims from Islam. I hope that all Muslims can see the deception.

That is not true. You have not been born again to know that the Spirit of God bears witness with our spirit that we are His and no one can snatch us away from Him. There is a spiritual strength in Christianity that is not match in other faiths in the world. I can see this clearly. There is no question to us that the Christian doctrine is true. I only wish and pray that you could see it the way I do for one minute.

 

[Redeemed]

Jesus prayed that we may be one even as He and his Father are one. I have experienced that oneness. That is my strength.

 

[vpb]

Jesus prayed that we may be one even as He and his Father are one.

how can a son and father be one? I can't percept how can God pray? humans pray to God but God praying?? God having a son?? Hellooooooooooo