Guru Nanak Dev Ji a Muslim....?

[- Qatada -]

OK, my question is do people worship saints? Along with Allaah? And if so - why? If it's supposed to be a religion of monotheism?

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

OK, my question is do people worship saints? Along with Allaah? And if so - why? If it's supposed to be a religion of monotheism?

Be nice if you linked me up with a source for this questions mate. Is this something you've heard? or is it something you've read?

In Sikhism, Saints have contributed to the Holy Scriptures, but they are NOT seen as God like. - Please give expamples to why you would think this.

 

[Gangster No.1]

Sikhsim is your religion good for, muslims dont believe sikhism is sect of islam, so whats the point of this thread?

also your nikname is AvarAllahNoor, what does that mean, us that your name? or what, only asking becuz it says Allah?

 

[- Qatada -]

I havn't got any links, but i'm asking if people worship the Gurus. I know they believe that it's Allaah who created the universe, even polytheists do. But they start worshipping others along with Him, usually as intermediarries.

So that's basically my question - do people worship others along with Allaah in Sikhism?

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

I havn't got any links, but i'm asking if people worship the Gurus. I know they believe that it's Allaah who created the universe, even polytheists do. But they start worshipping others along with Him, usually as intermediarries.

So that's basically my question - do people worship others along with Allaah in Sikhism?

Oh I see.

Not that I know of, no. It is forbidden to worship any human being. Yes some fools who have NO knowledge of the religion think we have '10 Gods' and bow to pictures (which in my opinion should be banned, and have been in many Gurdwaras) but like I say it's down to lack of education.

You'll find some muslims believe in Mohammed, but this it also wrong, is it not? does not mean it's the true practice of Islam. God alone is worthy of worship and our Scriptures make this crystal clear.

 

[- Qatada -]

Thanks for clearing that up man, just one more thing - do people pray to the Guru's graves etc to intercede on their behalf to God?

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Thanks for clearing that up man, just one more thing - do people pray to the Guru's graves etc to intercede on their behalf to God?

The Guru's have no graves. They were creamated and the shrines that have been erected in remberance are used for no more than worship of God. The Guru's made it clear that they do not have the power to give or take. God alone sent them on a mission and this was to make sure humanity worshipped God alone who is not human and is the most omnipotent of all!

*Sorry for spelling mistakes I am rushing*

 

[One Man Army]

Avar's name comes from a shabad in Guru Granth Sahib jee:

prabhaathee ||
aval aleh noor oupaaeiaa kudharath kae sabh badhae ||eaek noor thae sabh jag oupajiaa koun bhalae ko madhae ||1||
logaa bharam n bhoolahu bhaaee ||
khaalik khalak khalak mehi khaalik poor rehiou srab t(h)aaee ||1|| rehaao ||
maattee eaek anaek bhaath kar saajee saajanehaarai ||
naa kashh poch maattee kae bhaaddae naa kashh poch kubhaarai ||2||
sabh mehi sachaa eaeko soee this kaa keeaa sabh kashh hoee ||
hukam pashhaanai s eaeko jaanai badhaa keheeai soee ||3||
alahu alakh n jaaee lakhiaa gur gurr dheenaa meet(h)aa ||
kehi kabeer maeree sakaa naasee sarab nirajan ddeet(h)aa ||4||3||


Prabhaatee:
First, Allah created the Light; then, by His Creative Power, He made all mortal beings.From the One Light, the entire universe welled up. So who is good, and who is bad? ||1||
O people, O Siblings of Destiny, do not wander deluded by doubt.
The Creation is in the Creator, and the Creator is in the Creation, totally pervading and permeating all places. ||1||Pause||
The clay is the same, but the Fashioner has fashioned it in various ways.
There is nothing wrong with the pot of clay - there is nothing wrong with the Potter. ||2||
The One True Lord abides in all; by His making, everything is made.
Whoever realizes the Hukam of His Command, knows the One Lord. He alone is said to be the Lord's slave. ||3||
The Lord Allah is Unseen; He cannot be seen. The Guru has blessed me with this sweet molasses.
Says Kabeer, my anxiety and fear have been taken away; I see the Immaculate Lord pervading everywhere. ||4||3||

 

[Gangster No.1]

The Guru's have no graves. They were creamated and the shrines that have been erected in remberance are used for no more than worship of God. The Guru's made it clear that they do not have the power to give or take. God alone sent them on a mission and this was to make sure humanity worshipped God alone who is not human and is the most omnipotent of all!

*Sorry for spelling mistakes I am rushing*

Did the guru actually speak 2 god?

 

[Gangster No.1]

Avar's name comes from a shabad in Guru Granth Sahib jee:

prabhaathee ||
aval aleh noor oupaaeiaa kudharath kae sabh badhae ||eaek noor thae sabh jag oupajiaa koun bhalae ko madhae ||1||
logaa bharam n bhoolahu bhaaee ||
khaalik khalak khalak mehi khaalik poor rehiou srab t(h)aaee ||1|| rehaao ||
maattee eaek anaek bhaath kar saajee saajanehaarai ||
naa kashh poch maattee kae bhaaddae naa kashh poch kubhaarai ||2||
sabh mehi sachaa eaeko soee this kaa keeaa sabh kashh hoee ||
hukam pashhaanai s eaeko jaanai badhaa keheeai soee ||3||
alahu alakh n jaaee lakhiaa gur gurr dheenaa meet(h)aa ||
kehi kabeer maeree sakaa naasee sarab nirajan ddeet(h)aa ||4||3||


Prabhaatee:
First, Allah created the Light; then, by His Creative Power, He made all mortal beings.From the One Light, the entire universe welled up. So who is good, and who is bad? ||1||
O people, O Siblings of Destiny, do not wander deluded by doubt.
The Creation is in the Creator, and the Creator is in the Creation, totally pervading and permeating all places. ||1||Pause||
The clay is the same, but the Fashioner has fashioned it in various ways.
There is nothing wrong with the pot of clay - there is nothing wrong with the Potter. ||2||
The One True Lord abides in all; by His making, everything is made.
Whoever realizes the Hukam of His Command, knows the One Lord. He alone is said to be the Lord's slave. ||3||
The Lord Allah is Unseen; He cannot be seen. The Guru has blessed me with this sweet molasses.
Says Kabeer, my anxiety and fear have been taken away; I see the Immaculate Lord pervading everywhere. ||4||3||

I dont understand why do they mension Allah?

 

[Gangster No.1]

Avar's name comes from a shabad in Guru Granth Sahib jee:

prabhaathee ||
aval aleh noor oupaaeiaa kudharath kae sabh badhae ||eaek noor thae sabh jag oupajiaa koun bhalae ko madhae ||1||
logaa bharam n bhoolahu bhaaee ||
khaalik khalak khalak mehi khaalik poor rehiou srab t(h)aaee ||1|| rehaao ||
maattee eaek anaek bhaath kar saajee saajanehaarai ||
naa kashh poch maattee kae bhaaddae naa kashh poch kubhaarai ||2||
sabh mehi sachaa eaeko soee this kaa keeaa sabh kashh hoee ||
hukam pashhaanai s eaeko jaanai badhaa keheeai soee ||3||
alahu alakh n jaaee lakhiaa gur gurr dheenaa meet(h)aa ||
kehi kabeer maeree sakaa naasee sarab nirajan ddeet(h)aa ||4||3||


Prabhaatee:
First, Allah created the Light; then, by His Creative Power, He made all mortal beings.From the One Light, the entire universe welled up. So who is good, and who is bad? ||1||
O people, O Siblings of Destiny, do not wander deluded by doubt.
The Creation is in the Creator, and the Creator is in the Creation, totally pervading and permeating all places. ||1||Pause||
The clay is the same, but the Fashioner has fashioned it in various ways.
There is nothing wrong with the pot of clay - there is nothing wrong with the Potter. ||2||
The One True Lord abides in all; by His making, everything is made.
Whoever realizes the Hukam of His Command, knows the One Lord. He alone is said to be the Lord's slave. ||3||
The Lord Allah is Unseen; He cannot be seen. The Guru has blessed me with this sweet molasses.
Says Kabeer, my anxiety and fear have been taken away; I see the Immaculate Lord pervading everywhere. ||4||3||

I dont understand why do they mension Allah?

why is allah said in the gur grath sahib?

sum1 explain in brief!


also that sikhs name you said is from the guru grath saib, but it spelling is aval aleh noor so why is it as Avar Allah Noor

 

[- Qatada -]

Thanks for the answers Avar, and ultimate. Can you guys also explain this if you can, do sikhs believe that the Guru's are made out of divine light?


Thanks in advance.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Did the Guru actually speak 2 god?

Indeed. Guru Nanak the first Guru, was in direct communion with God!

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

I dont understand why do they mension Allah?

why is allah said in the gur grath sahib?

sum1 explain in brief!


also that sikhs name you said is from the Guru Granth Sahib, but it spelling is aval aleh noor so why is it as Avar Allah Noor

It's Guru Granth Sahib thanks!

Allah is the name of God. Just as Jehovah, Khuda, Bagwan is. One God many names!

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Thanks for the answers Avar, and ultimate. Can you guys also explain this if you can, do sikhs believe that the Guru's are made out of divine light?


Thanks in advance.

The Guru in Sikhism is a perfect Prophet or Messenger of God in whom the Light of God shines fully, visibly and completely. Guru is in union with Divine. Thus he ushers the devotees, the seekers of Truth into a spiritual birth. Through him the Glory of the Lord is transmitted to humanity. On account of his Divine prerogatives, the Guru, though human in form, is Divine in Spirit.

Literally Guru Nanak's body was a platform from which God Himself spoke and delivered His message Gurbani (Divine Word).

God revealeth Himself through (Nanak) Guru

PLEASE NOTE THAT DOES NOT MEAN ANY GURU'S WERE GOD

 

[- Qatada -]

:salamext:


Like the trinity in christianity? :?

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

:salamext:


Like the trinity in christianity? :?

No, they beelive JESUS is God. Sikhs don't say God takes the form of a human. - He's revealed his verses via the Gurus.

 

[Gangster No.1]

How did the gurus get there revelation? from god? seeked knowldge? where from?

wot is your ideology?

what came before god, what is after life?
what is the relevts of this life, how is god related 2 mankind?

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

How did the gurus get there revelation? from god? seeked knowldge? where from?

wot is your ideology?

what came before god, what is after life?
what is the relevts of this life, how is god related 2 mankind?

Google it, it's all there in millions of pages. Or check previous threads it's all been covered many times before dude.

 

[pritsinghs3]

Ok, I've read many posts of Guru Nanak being Muslim that was written by Muslims and many posts by Sikhs being angry and rejecting those posts. Well, my last name is "Singh" so you clearly know what I am. Anyway I'm actually having a different approach to this. First of all, just to give a little introduction, sikhism came into India during the 1500's and Khalsa came in around the 1600's established by Guru Gobind Singh. As far as Monotheism goes (belief of one God) it was brought in India by the Muslims who came from Persia, Middle East, and Afghanistan. Guru Nanak indeed was born in a Hindu family as a Hindu but however started to reject many aspects of it (beliefs, rituals, etc). Being around and being friends with many Muslims, he started to act like them, he started to read the Quran as well because it really caught his attention since it was very different than his own religion (Hinduism). Let's take a moment to analyze this, if one person is use to doing something one way and all of a sudden he is exposed to doing it another way then obviously he will be curious and inquire about it even if he/she doesn’t like it, it's human nature. For example, if you aren’t not friends with someone anymore, and you don’t see them for a long time, if you meet someone who knows them, you're obviously going to ask about them. Anyway, in this case he liked what he read, he learned how to read and write in Arabic as well. Not only did he read the Quran, he had read the Hindu scriptures as well. He had always rejected Hindu beliefs and customs however he never rejected Islamic customs. He had even gone to Mecca and performed Hajj, he had even stopped by Baghdad, stayed for 2 weeks, and performed the Islamic prayers there as well. To be on the safe side I'm not going to say he was Muslim, but the facts say that since the incident of him coming out of the water, he had been chanting "Na koi hindu na muselmaan" and he also started to carry the Quran where ever he went, he also started to wear the Jubba (dressed like a Sufi). It was then when he was rejected by many Hindus including his family, no one understood him. We don't realize what times he had faced, he started out as a runaway with some food, then he started to run out of food and started eating less, then he ran out of food completely and started to take milk from a cow if he saw one, until it came to a point where he starved risking his life. He could have just simply gave in to his father and said "Ok, I accept everything" but he didn't. Anyway after coming back from Mecca he wore a robe that had islamic writings all over it which is still kept at a Gurdwara in India. One thing that I want everyone to know is, GURU NANAK WAS NOT THE FOUNDER OF SIKHISM, FOR GOD SAKE THE GURU GRANTH SAHIB WASN'T EVEN FORMED UNTIL THE 3RD GURU. During the 1st and 2nd Guru's time, THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS SIKHISM, THERE WAS ONLY HINDUISM AND ISLAM, THAT IS A FACT!!!! SO I ASK WHAT RELIGION WAS GURU NANAK THEN REALLY???, IT'S NOT A COINCIDENCE THAT HE WASN'T CREMATED NOR BURIED. I know what he was but it's better if people research, travel seven sea's and FIND OUT for themselves just like I did. Since Guru Nanak was a mystic sufi, just all the other mystic sufi's at the time, he wrote down all of his ideas in poetic form (they did this so people would actually take interest in them). So people ask me, "then why aren't those people in the Guru Granth Sahib as well," well the answer to it is, they were. The main people whose writings were responsible for the formation of the Guru Granth Sahib were Baba Kabir, Baba Farid GanShaker, and Guru Nanak. I mentioned 3 sufi's and 2/3 were PROVEN Muslims (Baba Kabir and Baba Farid). Then people love asking me this "well then there were other Sufi's during Nanak's time and after his time as well, how come those weren't included in the Granth? Well yea that's right there was Baba Bulleh Shah, Baba Sultan Bahu, and Baba Shah Hussain. Well they weren't given much attention by Hindus because THEY WERE NOT HINDUS, Guru Nanak at a point in his life WAS A HINDU, that's why Guru Nanak caught their attention the most. His writings along with Kabir's writings along with Farid's writings come together to be compiled into a book called "Guru Granth Sahib" which ended after the writings of the 9th Guru (Guru Teg Bahadour). My basic message is this, obviously while compiling the Guru Granth Sahib, religion was not looked upon as how this Holy Book was to be written since Hindu’s, Muslims, and Sikhs have contributed to it. So with that said and done, I say that it IS A POSSIBILITY that Guru Nanak could have been a Muslim (don’t get angry, Sikhs) but that’s for every each individual to decide. I’ve already proven that he was not a Sikh (since there WAS no Sikhism at the time). So, for the Muslims I would say “try not to put the Sikhs down” by coming up with some lies (like saying Guru Nanak was married to a Muslim Woman) and for the Sikhs I would say “Try not to let your pride get in the way, if you respect the Gurus then according to the the laws of the Guru Granth Sahib you have to accept the Muslim bhagats as well and Guru Nanak just COULD have been one. It’s now just a matter of opinion since even during Guru Nanak’s leaving to the heavens was a suspense (not cremated no buried) maybe that was the whole purpose.