Father found guilty in honor killing

[Pygoscelis]

this is the sort of thing that makes you anti religious? what has this murder got to do with religion?

As glo said, if you asked these men why they did what they did, do you not expect they will say they did what Allah requires of them? Read the article itself, this is plain to see. Just because their view of your religion is different than your own does not make their actions any less motivated by religion.

you need to stop displaying this attitude that religion has to be accountable ,

It has likely motivated a murder here. It doesn't have to be considered and examined? Should we likewise ignore all other systems of division and intolerance, be they racism, nationalism, etc?

and if your anti religious what on earth are you doing on this islamic board , everything here is just about religion it self..............

Well since you asked, here's why. After 9/11 and all the anti-islamic hysteria that followed it, I became curious if islam is actually what it has been potrayed to be. I wanted to learn the mindset of the muslims here, and to see for myself if they are dangerous. That's better than just accepting the TV news reports on the face of them and declaring as many westerners do that all muslims are terrorists, no?

If you're curious, I've found most muslims here to be harmless. I've actually found them to be pretty much the same as western Christians. And I've found the ideology itself to be better than christianity in some ways and worse in others.

Now, before you complain about anything I wrote above, remember, you asked.

 

[north_malaysian]

On New Year's Eve, she was lured by her father to her grandmother's home, where she suspected he planned to attack her after he forced her to gulp down brandy and approached her while wearing gloves.

How "Islamic" when a father forced his daughter to drink something Haraam.:enough!:

 

[Malaikah]

As glo said, if you asked these men why they did what they did, do you not expect they will say they did what Allah requires of them? Read the article itself, this is plain to see. Just because their view of your religion is different than your own does not make their actions any less motivated by religion.

Such activities existed well before Islam did, it is not fair to say that Islam is what motivated their actions, in fact it is ridiculous to suggest this because what they did is murder, a very major sin!

It was culture, nothing else.

 

[glo]

Such activities existed well before Islam did, it is not fair to say that Islam is what motivated their actions, in fact it is ridiculous to suggest this because what they did is murder, a very major sin!

It was culture, nothing else.

But the point Pygoscelis and I are making, is that some Muslims will commit such acts in the name of Islam (just as followers of other religions commit similar crimes in the name of their religion) ... thereby causing much problems for other believers, who neither condone such acts, nor consider them to be part of their religious teaching.

For the atheists/agnostics among us, such incidents may be evidence that religion is a bad thing and we would be better of without it!

Those of us who do believe in God, better pay attention. The world is watching us, and judging God by our actions! :-[

Peace

 

[ummzayd]

But the point Pygoscelis and I are making, is that some Muslims will commit such acts in the name of Islam (just as followers of other religions commit similar crimes in the name of their religion) ... thereby causing much problems for other believers, who neither condone such acts, nor consider them to be part of their religious teaching.

For the atheists/agnostics among us, such incidents may be evidence that religion is a bad thing and we would be better of without it!

Those of us who do believe in God, better pay attention. The world is watching us, and judging God by our actions! :-[

Peace

unfortunately that makes it sound like a question of interpretation, like the killers interpret Islamic law differently.
It is not interpretation. It is crystal clear, plain as the nose on your face, that these murders (ie honour killings) have NO BASIS IN ISLAM.
I was going to say, it is ignorance - they are ignorant of the limits God has placed over the taking of human life.
However, on reflection I believe that these people simply don't care about God's laws, the laws of their culture and their tribal traditions have more importance for them.

peace

 

[nocturne]

Yet another despicable article.

Whats with people trying to tie everything to do Islamic extremists/fudamentalism??

Bombs goes off anywhere => must be an muslim terrorist
Girl gets killed by her dad for falling love => those islam laws are so against women

 

[Pygoscelis]

So if these people who do such things were to straight out tell you that they do them because their God wants them to, you'd just refuse to believe them?

You can say they've got it wrong, and Islam teaches no such thing, but they'd obviously disagree, and from an outsider's point of view it doesn't matter which of you is "right". All that matters is that people are killing other people due to religion.

 

[islamirama]

So if these people who do such things were to straight out tell you that they do them because their God wants them to, you'd just refuse to believe them?

You can say they've got it wrong, and Islam teaches no such thing, but they'd obviously disagree, and from an outsider's point of view it doesn't matter which of you is "right". All that matters is that people are killing other people due to religion.

So by token of your logic, christianity and jewdism are terrorists religions. Let's not forget oklahoma bombing and the unabomber and lets nto for get 500 bomb plots happen in europe out of which about 50 by muslims, oh and lets not forget hitler was half jew and half christian. What about the KKK? Yep, lot of terrorists right there following their religion to the max i say! :thumbs_up

 

[Pygoscelis]

So by token of your logic, christianity and jewdism are terrorists religions. Let's not forget oklahoma bombing and the unabomber and lets nto for get 500 bomb plots happen in europe out of which about 50 by muslims, oh and lets not forget hitler was half jew and half christian. What about the KKK? Yep, lot of terrorists right there following their religion to the max i say! :thumbs_up

Spend just an hour or so flipping through the bible and you'll notice just how right you are. The bible justifies all sorts of nasty things explicitly, including murder. There are lots of Christians who fail to follow the bible at its word, and they suffer witches to live for example (bible says not to), but if one comes along who DOES follow the book literally, can we really say he's not movitated by the religion?

 

[islamirama]

Spend just an hour or so flipping through the bible and you'll notice just how right you are. The bible justifies all sorts of nasty things explicitly, including murder. There are lots of Christians who fail to follow the bible at its word, and they suffer witches to live for example (bible says not to), but if one comes along who DOES follow the book literally, can we really say he's not movitated by the religion?

so what do you think of the talmund?

Talmund is the zionist book where as the Torah is the Jewish book.

 

[Muezzin]

Doesn't that sort of thing belong in Comparative Religion?

Just nipping this in the bud, because I can sense this easily becoming a fight.

 

[Thanaa]

I feel so sorry for that poor girl!
There was another girl-a 16 y/o-who was killed a few years ago-had she lived, she'd be the same age as me...

Her Dad killed her for the "crime" of dating a Christain Boy.
Its just so wrong that there are still people in the world who can do such things to their own flesh and blood!

 

[August]

Her Dad killed her for the "crime" of dating a Christain Boy.
Its just so wrong that there are still people in the world who can do such things to their own flesh and blood!

Not that murder is justified by Islamic law in this case, but didn't she committ two serious violations of Islamic law? First by dating and second by dating a non-Muslim.

 

[islamirama]

Not that murder is justified by Islamic law in this case, but didn't she committ two serious violations of Islamic law? First by dating and second by dating a non-Muslim.

Dating is forbidden whether its muslim or non-muslim as a safeguard to keep ourselves modest and pure for that special one, but it doesn't mean that the punishment is death for it. It is a sin and immoral and the family must do what they can to keep their kids on the right path but do it within the boundaries of Islam, not transgress them like in this case. Then again the father made her drink alcohol to get her drunk first, which only goes to show how much of islam practicing the family really is.