Democracy

Although Muslims have no trouble in living in a Democracy as long as the Democracy does not cause us to live a haram life, it is preferred we live in a sharia state.

To a Non-Muslim a sharia state does not seem to be very democratic as all laws are based upon the Qur'an. However, as a Muslim that poses no problem and is preferred as Islam is more than the Western concept of religion, it is our De'en. It governs our entire life no matter what form of government we are under.

Since a Sharia state can only exist in a state with a majority Muslim population, even as a democracy we would vote for sharia laws, so it is redundant. You can say that a Muslim country is a Democracy in which the majority of the people select Sharia law.
 
Woodrow said:
Although Muslims have no trouble in living in a Democracy as long as the Democracy does not cause us to live a haram life, it is preferred we live in a sharia state.

To a Non-Muslim a sharia state does not seem to be very democratic as all laws are based upon the Qur'an. However, as a Muslim that poses no problem and is preferred as Islam is more than the Western concept of religion, it is our De'en. It governs our entire life no matter what form of government we are under.

Since a Sharia state can only exist in a state with a majority Muslim population, even as a democracy we would vote for sharia laws, so it is redundant. You can say that a Muslim country is a Democracy in which the majority of the people select Sharia law.
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Would you say the majority of Muslims would prefer to live in an imperfect Sharia state, as I think you would agree that no experiment with Sharia law has been just or successful, as opposed to a democratic style government? I know you are stating that Muslims would rather live in a true Sharia state, but since this doesn't exist, is democracy the "second best" choice?
 
Keltoi said:
Would you say the majority of Muslims would prefer to live in an imperfect Sharia state, as I think you would agree that no experiment with Sharia law has been just or successful, as opposed to a democratic style government? I know you are stating that Muslims would rather live in a true Sharia state, but since this doesn't exist, is democracy the "second best" choice?
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Just from personal experience I find a fair democracy will allow a person a more Islamic life than some of the corrupted countries that call themselves Islamic.

In a fair democracy you can find pockets were devout Muslims can live undisturbed, even if the country itself is not Islamic.

Now as far as living in an Imperfect Sharia country, that would depend on to what degree the country is imperfect and if the people are really practicing Islam. If the imperfection is just that some of the countries leaders are doing haram things, but the people are living a true Islamic life I would prefer that type country.

all in all to me the important thing is that wherever I am I can practice Islam.
 
Salam.

I have a question. Do Muslims see democracy as a good thing? Why are there so few democracies in the Muslim world?
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this is my own opinion, of course.

Democracy is a at least good thing, but Muslim cannot used the same model in the west because there certain restriction in Islam, and we cannot put Islam underneath anything else.
 
Woodrow said:
Since a Sharia state can only exist in a state with a majority Muslim population, even as a democracy we would vote for sharia laws, so it is redundant. You can say that a Muslim country is a Democracy in which the majority of the people select Sharia law.
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So, if Muslims become a majority in the USA, the Constitution is out the window? I as a non-Muslim would only have the rights the Qur'an says I can have?
 
I as a non-Muslim would only have the rights the Qur'an says I can have?
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no dear,the Quran will not govern your life as you are a Non-Muslim.Sharia is for only Muslim people.you have to pay tax maybe.Heck if ever the US becomes predominantly Muslim.

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/blewis.htm
^this might give you an idea.
democracy is not forbidden but liberal ones are.
 
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Aziz said:
no dear,the Quran will not govern your life as you are a Non-Muslim.Sharia is for only Muslim people.you have to pay tax maybe.
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What right have you to impose an extra tax on me? Muslims don't pay a special tax when they're the minority.
 
Aziz said:
no dear,the Quran will not govern your life as you are a Non-Muslim.Sharia is for only Muslim people.you have to pay tax maybe.Heck if ever the US becomes predominantly Muslim.

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/blewis.htm
^this might give you an idea.
democracy is not forbidden but liberal ones are.
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Hi Aziz, when I refer to democracy I mean one of the following:
1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives. 2. A political or social unit that has such a government....4. Majority rule.
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Could you please tell me what you mean by a "liberal" democracy?
 
August said:
What right have you to impose an extra tax on me? Muslims don't pay a special tax when they're the minority.
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It actually would not be an extra tax because as a non-Muslim you would not have to pay the Zakat that a Muslim would have to pay. In most instances you would be paying less tax than a Muslim would.

As far as living in a Sharia country as a non-Muslim you would find little differences. Sharia law can not be applied to non-Muslims. The differences would be because the majority of the people would be Muslim, not because the laws would become Islamic. Muslim owned businesses are obligated to offer only halal products and sevices. So that is where you would see the differences, not because of the government.
 
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MuhammadRizan said:
Salam.
this is my own opinion, of course.

Democracy is a at least good thing, but Muslim cannot used the same model in the west because there certain restriction in Islam, and we cannot put Islam underneath anything else.
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In islam there is no such a thing as man made laws,and it is wrong to follow them.
How can democracy be better in any case,one doesnt have to be under democracy to practise islam,rather we are to take the rules set out by Allah
hence there is no need for democracy,

As for brother woodrow,i get your point about,how in many islamic ands it is
much of a struggle to practise islam,despite those are the lands that have sharaih runing in them;supposed to anyway,and that in countires with democracy we are better off practising islam partly,still it doesnt
justify it.
 
August said:
What right have you to impose an extra tax on me? Muslims don't pay a special tax when they're the minority.
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We're getting taxed like crazy in the states. You can say that it's imposed on us, and we Must pay it...
 
Well here in the UK I don't see much of a democracy.... One fraud has gone this year and another has come in even though he has not been voted in has come in!!. But it’s a democracy right so I can vote for which liar I want.

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Fewer than 4 out of every 10 registered voters actually voted!!!!
What’s the point voting if you take out one con for another con?

Democracy..... Gives you the choice.. know one ever asked choice of what?

Cons:raging:
 
In a democracy do you think voting should be mandatory?
Where is there a better form of democracy?
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Maybe you should read what I have written before coming up with foolish questions that are irrelevant.

However here is a question for you.

Why are people not voting!!
 
Idris said:
Maybe you should read what I have written before coming up with foolish questions that are irrelevant.

However here is a question for you.

Why are people not voting!!
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Are you looking for a simple answer to why thousands of people don't do something? :skeleton: I think there are a thousand reasons at a minimum.
But I wouldn't know, I always vote. :D
 
Zman said:

We're getting taxed like crazy in the states. You can say that it's imposed on us, and we Must pay it...
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based on your income, you are not taxed anymore than your peers, it isnt imposed, you could not pay it and then go to jail:D
 

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