Let try this one more time ok . When the By - Bill was first written it wasn't keyword here wasn't written in Greek / Latin / English , Later on it was translation Into Greek / Latin / And Even English Overstand , You claim to be a minister Yes , Those name you gave me were people talking about the language that the By - Bill had been change to Greek / Latin / English . So the language that the prophet's speaking at the beginning was Aramic , Not Greek . This also means the John was speaking aramic also . in the beginning .
Trying one more time. It is NOT RELEVANT what language John spoke. The question is not about what langauge John spoke. Jesus and all of the disciples, John included, spoke Aramaic. No one cares. They could have all spoken Chinese and it wouldn't mean anything. The only thing that matters is what language John wrote his Gospel in.
Belief & Believe" are two of the most deceptive words in religion. Belief is ignorance. Belief is to ignore the facts, intentionally or ignorantly. If one has to believe, it means he or she does not know, and if one does not know, that is ignorance. Anyone can believe anything and this means that a person can believe, and be 100% wrong. But knowledge is knowing and knowledge is correct information. "To know" gives one confidence, but belief infers doubt.
To believe is to accept things that you do NOT know. Either you know or you don't. Once you know - then you no longer have to believe and belief is the fuel of most religions. Belief = acceptance of things that youdon't know .
And you seem to believe that you have proven something. You haven't. If you believe you have, then you have deceived yourself.
Like said I gave you verse by verse where the language came from in your By - Bill , Being you claim you're minister you should know these things . reson why I said you had to be a mail order minister because your the first so-called minister Who didn't know the first language the discilpe spoke was Aramic , And Not Greek / Latin / English . But your use to christian agreeing with you and that because they don't know any better . by the way your the one who spoke of luke / paul in your post first . Paul is the anti - christ of the By - Bill . Any way this post is about the trinity which is a fake Yashu'a never claim to be his own father . The first teaching of Yashu'a was he was call the son of God , Then Some keyword Some of you christian trun Yashu'a into his father .
You don't use logic in your presentation. You use slander and ad hominem arguments. I have not been insulting to Islam, but you choose to keep being that way with me personally, with the Christian faith, and specifically with the Bible. I think you are rude with comments such as:
1) "
OverStandIng Of The Ttinity" and "First overstand something" rather than "Understanding".
2) Also you insult our Holy Book with comments like, "when your so-called BY - Bill". I don't even call the Qur'an the Koran, out of desire to be respectful, but you show no such respect to our scriptures.
3) You seem to still doubt my own veractiy with statements such as "You claim to be a minister". I claim to be, because I am. I attended 4 years of university, 3 more years of seminary (i.e. theological school) where I earned a Masters in Divinity from an acreditted institution,
Asbury Theological Seminary, subsequent to that I was ordained an elder in the United Methodist Church (the second largest protestant denomination in the world) and have served under appointment as a pastor since 1986 for all but 4 years when I took a leave of absence in order to serve on the bishop's staff in a synod of the Lutheran Church (ELCA).
4) You called me other names, which I am glad to see the mods have editted out so I will not repeat them here in respect for their work.
5) You attack leaders of the church accusing "Paul is the anti - christ of the By - Bill."
Now, here are the facts that I am asserting:
1) The Bible was written in more than one language.
2) The various human writers who penned the various different books of the Bible did so over an extend period of time, personlly spoke many different languages, many were multi-lingual in their daily life,
3) The majority of what Christians call the Old Testament was written in Hebrew.
4) Some significant parts of the book of Daniel where written in Babylonian Aramaic.
5) Some small sections of a few other later books also have some Aramaic.
6) The oldest extant physical copies of ALL of the New Testament books that we have today are ALL in Greek and from the 3rd century or before.
7) The oldest extant physical copies of any Syriac or Aramaic portions of the New Testament date from the lat 4th century.
8) All of the New Testament books are quoted by the early church fathers in Greek before the end of the 2nd century.
9) The only books that have ever had any serious question as to whether there might have been an Aramaic original are Matthew and Hebrews.
10) The Gospel of John, which you referred to in the post which started this exchange was originally written in Greek.
Please note-- I am not sayig that John did not speak Aramaic. And I have never said that he didn't. He did. But that he spoke Aramaic is NOT relevant to what I first asked you to show me that the Gospel of John was written in Greek:
You're going to have to make a very strong case for John being originally written in anything other than Greek before you start a word study in Arabic, Syriac, or Aramaic. While those can be helpful, the specifications you have noted are completely without merit in the Greek. But the concept of the Logos, a Greek term, was important for those to whom John wrote his Gospel in the Greek-speaking southwest corner of Asia Minor.
Later John's Gospel (along with all other New Testament books) was translated into many languages, among them Syriac, but that is not what it was written in. It was written in Greek by an Aramaic-speaking Jew. And that is not crazy, because most all people of John's day spoke their first langauge (in John's case Aramaic) AND they spoke Greek (the lingua franca of the Mediterranean basin). Thus when you do a word study as you did:
( OverStandIng Of The Ttinity )
John Chapter One Verse One , ( The Declaration Of Faith ) , And I Quote ; In the very beginning was the Word ( La Ilaha Illa Allah , Nothiung would exist if Allah didn't created it ) and the word was in the possession of Allah , And the word was Allah Himself , ( Allahumma , Eloahim ) Rev 19 ; 13 , AQ; 3 ; 2 , 62 59 ; 22 - 24
1 . In the ancient Hebrew , the word , used for the name of the Creator was '' Elah '' , Ilah '' Eloh '' or ''El '' from the original Syretic Arabic '' Allah '' . There was also a plural form '' Eloahim '' < Aramic > which corresponded to the Arabic '' Allahumma '' < Arabic > which literally means '' O Allah and all His Angelic Beings and His Attributes '' , The '' Hum '' Arabic / Hebrew is pluralized , therefore acknowledging the existence of all His Angelic beings and Attributes . The '' Word '' A , Kalima ,< Arabic , is the physical representation of '' Allahumma '' < Arabic . As you can see by the Arabic letter -- raa marbuta at the end of the word Al Kalima in Arabic , this word is in the feminine tense .
Such a word study has no more weight then if I was to grab a Spanish Bible and do a words study based on the opening line: "En el principio ya existía el Verbo, y el Verbo estaba con Dios, y el Verbo era Dios." And then I start talking about the similarities between "verbo" and "verb" and how then this defines Jesus as the "verb of God" who speaks and brings everything into creation. But John wasn't written in Spanish. John wasn't written in English. And John wasn't written in Aramaic or Syriac. Do a word study in those languages for devotional purposes, but if you are going to go in depth to create doctrine, one needs to do it in the original language that it was
written in (NOT that which the author may have spoken, that is IRRELEVANT). And the language that we KNOW the Gospel of John was written is is Greek: "εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος."
For that very reason, your statement below is completely wrong:
We cannot get the meaning of this word from the Greek ( Logos ) language because its translation was translated from Galilean and Syretic Arabic into Hebrew ; then from Hebrew into Greek , then into Latin . So you can't go to the Greek for its original meaning you have to go to Hebrew and then back to the original Syretic Arabic . And in that language it is the name of a group of things or an object , not a person as the Messiah Jesus ( PBUH ) was . The group is '' Eloahim '' < Aramic and the object is the word '' Kuwn '' Exist , Be .
The only place we can go to get the meaning is to the Greek (Logos). We have to understand what Logos meant. Not word, not "verbo" and not any Galilean or Syretic Arabic. We have to understand λογος (
Logos) because that is the Greek word that John used when he wrote his Gospel. Even if he may have been thinking in Aramaic, we actually wrote λογος because he was writting it in Greek.
You have said that I could not show you
even one pastor, scholar, preacher who would say that it was originally written in Greek. Instead I have shown you dozens and could show you hundreds, even thousands. And despite your assertions that you have shown me verse by verse "proofs", you have shown me nothing. I could write the whole New Testament in Spanish, that would not prove that it was originally written in Spanish. I could likewise produce the whole New Testament in Syriac, that would prove nothing either. But I have not just provided for you the New Testament in Greek. I have referenced that the oldest texts of the New Testament are in Greek. And given explanation why the books would have been written in Greek and not in Aramaic. You have provided no scholarly points of any kind. You have merely continued to state your beliefs, and really nothing more.
As you said above: "Belief is to ignore the facts, intentionally or ignorantly. If one has to believe, it means he or she does not know, and if one does not know, that is ignorance. " Perhaps you should take your own advice on this matter.
