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Salam alyikum

Can anyone help me debunk this ? I need proof please in an argument with someone else.

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also the theory that ''aliens created earth etc.''

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What about the fact it was founded by a Science fiction author?
 
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buriedaway_4536 said:
What about the fact it was founded by a Science fiction author?
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I think all scientologists know that already so it's hardly likely to be effective for 'debunking'! They've almost certainly heard of anything else you are likely to come up with, come to that.
 
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Anyone can claim anything.
The is as much proof supporting the FSM as any thing else.

See my signature for further proof.
 
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My only question about scientology would be why so many Hollywood actors and wealthy individuals seem to be drawn to it.
 
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said that but he ''believes'' it
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Ask him who, or what, created the aliens and where they are from.

A Christian might then say, well I'm sure Jesus has died for them, too. The Muslim might say, maybe they are doing Allah's will too, on their planet.
 
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I could be mistaken, but I believe Scientology is just a legal means of giving creditability to Atheism and and Agnostics.

to be honest with the way our Government is set up it is only just to apply the tax laws equaly to all. Any person can start anything they call a religion, agree to follow a few guidelines that give the legal definition of religion and you have a nice tax break. Until Scientology came about a person had no tax benefits that members of organized religion have. such as donating money to a bunch of people because they want to help their neighbor is not tax free. but, if the people doing the collecting belong to an organized religion it becomes a taz deduction.
 
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I believe that people believe. There is no limit to what people will believe.
 
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Woodrow said:
I could be mistaken, but I believe Scientology is just a legal means of giving creditability to Atheism and and Agnostics.
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Hardly. Firstly that comment is grossly unfair to atheists and agnostics.

IMHO the beliefs of Scientology definitely qualify it as a religion by any generally accepted definition of that word, and certainly if using Ninian Smart's more academic approach to defining that term. It is most certainly 'organised'. The fact that everyone here thinks the whole thing is a complete load of tosh concocted by a science fiction writer to extract large amounts of cash from the gullible is rather beside the point.

If you disqualify Scientology as a religion in legal terms (i.e tax breaks, in this case), somebody is making a value judgement as to whether something is a 'religion' or a 'cult', or maybe whether it is an established and 'respectable' region or not. Whoever is making that judgement is highly unlikely to be a believer of the 'religion' concerned. That's fine unless, of course, the 'religion' being dismissed happens to be yours, and unless you wish to risk undeserved prejudice against particular faiths just because they happen to be younger than a millennium or so I think you just have to accept that some will slip through the net.
 
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Woodrow said:
I could be mistaken, but I believe Scientology is just a legal means of giving creditability to Atheism and and Agnostics.

to be honest with the way our Government is set up it is only just to apply the tax laws equaly to all. Any person can start anything they call a religion, agree to follow a few guidelines that give the legal definition of religion and you have a nice tax break. Until Scientology came about a person had no tax benefits that members of organized religion have. such as donating money to a bunch of people because they want to help their neighbor is not tax free. but, if the people doing the collecting belong to an organized religion it becomes a taz deduction.
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lol, nope it has nothing to do with it. its another creation myth "although new"
 
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Hardly. Firstly that comment is grossly unfair to atheists and agnostics.
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Sorry, I did not mean for to sound as unfair as it apparently came across. My thinking was that is was a fair way for those who do not believe in a God, should be entitled to the same tax breaks if they were doing the same things that meet the definition of religion. For Tax purpose religion is a legal description. I believe it was either in the late 60s or early 70s when Scientology began forming into something that began meeting the criteria of religion. I recall several agnostic groups that I had friends in began calling them selves "religions" so that they could gain religion status for their club houses.

IMHO the beliefs of Scientology definitely qualify it as a religion by any generally accepted definition of that word, and certainly if using Ninian Smart's more academic approach to defining that term. It is most certainly 'organised'. The fact that everyone here thinks the whole thing is a complete load of tosh concocted by a science fiction writer to extract large amounts of cash from the gullible is rather beside the point.
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I agree under the US legal definition of religion it meets the definition and if that law is to be applied equaly all organizations that meet the criteria should be have the same rights and responsibilities of any group that meets the definition.

If you disqualify Scientology as a religion in legal terms (i.e tax breaks, in this case), somebody is making a value judgement as to whether something is a 'religion' or a 'cult', or maybe whether it is an established and 'respectable' region or not. Whoever is making that judgement is highly unlikely to be a believer of the 'religion' concerned. That's fine unless, of course, the 'religion' being dismissed happens to be yours, and unless you wish to risk undeserved prejudice against particular faiths just because they happen to be younger than a millennium or so I think you just have to accept that some will slip through the net.
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Not dismissing it . I do agree if you dismiss one group that meets the legal definitions you end up dismissing all, including your own .
 
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Woodrow said:
Sorry, I did not mean for to sound as unfair as it apparently came across. My thinking was that is was a fair way for those who do not believe in a God, should be entitled to the same tax breaks if they were doing the same things that meet the definition of religion. For Tax purpose religion is a legal description. I believe it was either in the late 60s or early 70s when Scientology began forming into something that began meeting the criteria of religion. I recall several agnostic groups that I had friends in began calling them selves "religions" so that they could gain religion status for their club houses.



I agree under the US legal definition of religion it meets the definition and if that law is to be applied equaly all organizations that meet the criteria should be have the same rights and responsibilities of any group that meets the definition.



Not dismissing it . I do agree if you dismiss one group that meets the legal definitions you end up dismissing all, including your own .
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heck if i wanted a tax break, why not become a buddhist then?
 
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i myself think all religions should not be tax exempt.
 
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What you guys fail to realise is that then religion will be supporting a secular state, therefore cheapening its secular status, all for the benefit of a bunch of anti- or non-religious dudes or dudettes hoping to get off on making those darned religious people pay, goshdarnit. Seriously guys, get out more.

About the topic - I refuse to regurgitate the frequent slurs against Scientology until I know enough about the religion to form a valid judgement.
 
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What you guys fail to realise is that then religion will be supporting a secular state,
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What you fail to realise is that religion is supported by a secular state. :D

About the topic - I refuse to regurgitate the frequent slurs against Scientology until I know enough about the religion to form a valid judgement.
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Your wisdom is showing. :thumbs_up
 
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