Allah and Camouflage...(Atheists!!,Agnostics!! and seculars!!)

[جوري]

I dislike your posts, not the thread!
you are crass, vulgar, and I don't think you have an ounce of humanity about you!

 

[ranma1/2]

I dislike your posts, not the thread!
you are crass, vulgar, and I don't think you have an ounce of humanity about you!

im sure you dislike my posts, although this is not my thread.
How am i vulgar? you are the one constantly making personal attacks on other members. You are the one that always tries to get a thread closed that you disagree with it.

 

[جوري]

I don't read your "threads" to try to get them closed, please don't give yourself this phony sense of importance and grandiosity! And I know this isn't your thread, hence I stated, I like the thread, I dislike your posts [ you say nothing of substance on any level, (scientific, technological, theological or philosophical)] if I wanted a superficial and fuzzy insight to any topic I'd rather tune in to entertainment tonight than read your gabble!... indeed I wish to see threads with this level of degeneration, posts that are unrestrained by common sense or morality closed... What is the point of keeping them really? tallying up the post count? or taking up web space? or an egoistical competition for vulgarity?
I simply don't want to engage you beyond this point, I haven't for a while and I plan to go on that same path... What you and your ilk think or feel is utterly inconsequential to me, I believe a soberly insight here is often misconstrued for sinister criticism.. which ever your view it is probably richly deserved in my humble opinion!
lastly once you refrain from the usual jejune responses, with posts whose contents include such terms as "constant, always or never" can you possibly then see what else is crass and vulgar about them.

 

[guyabano]

I understand why are you acting like that , If ranma1/2 or even you have something to prove scientifically I'm prety sure you wont hesitate to post it, but it is the fact that you really don't have an answer


the Question again For any Atheist or evolutionist:
Regarding That a unicellular organizm reproduces by Division asexually while the leaf insect reproduces sexually, could you explain to us HOW its possible scientifically For unicellular organisms to mutate to be multicellular organisms that have 2 kinds of complementary genital organs matching together inorder to reproduce sexually
.

As stated already a few times, you are not looking for answers (as they were given already many times) but you just want to expose everybody who has not the same believings than you! That is the only reason why you started this thread.
As some before mentionned already: Start to read and educate yourself. Thats why you have internet. There is all what you need to know, or in your precise case, what you DON'T WANT TO KNOW/ACCEPT.
There are MILLIONS of links about science and evolution on the WWW.

This thread should really be closed now!

 

[Makky]

As stated already a few times, you are not looking for answers (as they were given already many times) but you just want to expose everybody who has not the same believings than you! That is the only reason why you started this thread

Yes I'm not looking for answers because there is no answers , The Greatest evolutionist is not able to prove the 1st step in this theory..
and Yes I want to expose everybody who has not the same believing than me , not because its my OWN belief -I'm but A slave In My God's universe- but because the Truth is what I and muslims believe in ...So yes my goal here is to expose evolutionists like you...

As some before mentionned already: Start to read and educate yourself. Thats why you have internet. There is all what you need to know, or in your precise case, what you DON'T WANT TO KNOW/ACCEPT.
There are MILLIONS of links about science and evolution on the WWW.

I don't know how old you are , i started reading about evolution when i was about 16years old..and i studied it about 9 years ago , maybe at this time you were playing with toys i don't know, i'm not sure.

There are MILLIONS of links about science and evolution on the WWW.

I feel so good when evolutionists like you post links or refer to internet..I'm glad to see your disability to answer..

This thread should really be closed now

I know why you want it to be closed , its not you only , but all the evolutionists here

This is a private Question for you

you said :

you are not looking for answers (as they were given already many times)

take yourtime to find those answers that where given many times, you can use the keys : ctrl+c to copy and the keys ctrl+v to paste

the main Question was :

the Question again For any Atheist or evolutionist:
Regarding That a unicellular organizm reproduces by Division asexually while the leaf insect reproduces sexually, could you explain to us HOW its possible scientifically For unicellular organisms to mutate to be multicellular organisms that have 2 kinds of complementary genital organs matching together inorder to reproduce sexually

 

[Makky]

my reply gave some possible ideas of how cells became multicellular, i also admittted that the article also spoke about computers. Sexuality had nothign to do with your question. The article gave some possiblitites.

Now if you keep on this "proof" nonsense.
Why dont you prove that I am not god.

Poor Ranma1/2 , your disability to answer or to prove the 1st step in this theory is base on the impossibility of the existance of any scientific mechanism to explain the existance of sexual pairs..

Your disability is based on the underlined part of the question


the Question again For any Atheist or evolutionist:
Regarding That a unicellular organizm reproduces by Division asexually while the leaf insect reproduces sexually, could you explain to us HOW its possible scientifically For unicellular organisms to mutate to be multicellular organisms that have 2 kinds of complementary genital organs matching together inorder to reproduce sexually

Allah says in the Qur'an: Glory to Allah, Who created in pairs all things that the earth produces, as well as their own (human) kind and (other) things of which they have no knowledge. (36/36)​

Allahu Akbar​

 

[guyabano]

Hold on, I will get you an answer soon !

And btw... Allah says... hmmmm, remember me the movie 'Die hard 3'...Simon says...

Can you proove, that Allah said that? Of course not, you just assume it !

 

[Makky]

Hold on, I will get you an answer soon !

lol

this is the 3rd time to edit your post...calm down ..take it easy

 

[guyabano]

Here is all what you need to know and this explains why what you call 'asexual cells' split:

The cell

The cell theory, first developed in 1839 by Schleiden and Schwann, states that all organisms are composed of one or more cells; all cells come from preexisting cells; all vital functions of an organism occur within cells, and cells contain the hereditary information necessary for regulating cell functions and for transmitting information to the next generation of cells.

There are two types of cells, eukaryotic and prokaryotic. Prokaryotic cells are usually singletons, while eukaryotic cells are usually found in multi-cellular organisms. Prokaryotic cells lack a nuclear membrane so DNA is unbound within the cell, eukaryotic cells have nuclear membranes.

All cells, whether prokaryotic or eukaryotic, have a membrane, which envelopes the cell, separates its interior from its environment, regulates what moves in and out, and maintains the electric potential of the cell. Inside the membrane, a salty cytoplasm takes up most of the cell volume. All cells possess DNA, the hereditary material of genes, and RNA, containing the information necessary to build various proteins such as enzymes, the cell's primary machinery. There are also other kinds of biomolecules in cells.

All cells share several abilities[5]:

* Reproduction by cell division (binary fission, mitosis or meiosis).
* Use of enzymes and other proteins coded for by DNA genes and made via messenger RNA intermediates and ribosomes.
* Metabolism, including taking in raw materials, building cell components, converting energy, molecules and releasing by-products. The functioning of a cell depends upon its ability to extract and use chemical energy stored in organic molecules. This energy is derived from metabolic pathways.
* Response to external and internal stimuli such as changes in temperature, pH or nutrient levels.
* Cell contents are contained within a cell surface membrane that contains proteins and a lipid bilayera.

Cell division is a process by which a cell, called the parent cell, divides into two cells, called daughter cells. Cell division is usually a small segment of a larger cell cycle. In meiosis however, a cell is permanently transformed and cannot divide again.

For simple unicellular organisms such as the Amoeba, one cell division reproduces an entire organism. On a larger scale, cell division can create progeny from multicellular organisms, such as plants that grow from cuttings. Cell division also enables sexually reproducing organisms to develop from the one-celled zygote, which itself was produced by cell division from gametes. And after growth, cell division allows for continual renewal and repair of the organism.

The primary concern of cell division is the maintenance of the original cell's genome. Before division can occur, the genomic information which is stored in chromosomes must be replicated, and the duplicated genome separated cleanly between cells. A great deal of cellular infrastructure is involved in keeping genomic information consistent between "generations".

Can be read here and here !

Now don't tell me, the question hasn't been answered !

And for add. info, this is a very nice reading to explain you a lot of questions you might have: http://www.scribd.com/doc/1016/Life-from-birth-to-death/

 

[Makky]

I'm sure that evolutionists who studied biology would blame you for this ( copy-paste ) reply.

well I have many points to Show now.

1st point

my private Question for you was : to show me where the answers were stated previously in this thread , but your answer was an essay from a new link..this means that all Atheist's replies werenot prsuading you and you didn't consider them a valid answer to be posted by you, this is a sign that i should thank you for.. also this means that you were just posting fanatically when you stated that they answered me ..you are now assertting that they didn't answer , you are now asserting that they couldn't answer..


2nd point

Here is all what you need to know and this explains why what you call 'asexual cells' split:

The cell

The cell theory, first developed in 1839 by Schleiden and Schwann, states that all organisms are composed of one or more cells; all cells come from preexisting cells; all vital functions of an organism occur within cells, and cells contain the hereditary information necessary for regulating cell functions and for transmitting information to the next generation of cells.

There are two types of cells, eukaryotic and prokaryotic. Prokaryotic cells are usually singletons, while eukaryotic cells are usually found in multi-cellular organisms. Prokaryotic cells lack a nuclear membrane so DNA is unbound within the cell, eukaryotic cells have nuclear membranes.

All cells, whether prokaryotic or eukaryotic, have a membrane, which envelopes the cell, separates its interior from its environment, regulates what moves in and out, and maintains the electric potential of the cell. Inside the membrane, a salty cytoplasm takes up most of the cell volume. All cells possess DNA, the hereditary material of genes, and RNA, containing the information necessary to build various proteins such as enzymes, the cell's primary machinery. There are also other kinds of biomolecules in cells.

All cells share several abilities[5]:

* Reproduction by cell division (binary fission, mitosis or meiosis).
* Use of enzymes and other proteins coded for by DNA genes and made via messenger RNA intermediates and ribosomes.
* Metabolism, including taking in raw materials, building cell components, converting energy, molecules and releasing by-products. The functioning of a cell depends upon its ability to extract and use chemical energy stored in organic molecules. This energy is derived from metabolic pathways.
* Response to external and internal stimuli such as changes in temperature, pH or nutrient levels.
* Cell contents are contained within a cell surface membrane that contains proteins and a lipid bilayera.

Cell division is a process by which a cell, called the parent cell, divides into two cells, called daughter cells. Cell division is usually a small segment of a larger cell cycle. In meiosis however, a cell is permanently transformed and cannot divide again.

this long Qoute is saying nothing about the evoultion theory or mutation ,
I don't know why did you post all this long essay? do you want people to get bored to give up reading?

what in the privious qoute is only talking about the cell division an how unicellular organisms reproduce , and multicellular organisms and how they grow and repair..

the existance of unicellular and multicellular and that unicellular organisms reproduces by division were stated in the Question

see:

the Question again For any Atheist or evolutionist:
Regarding That a unicellular organizm reproduces by Division asexually while the leaf insect reproduces sexually, could you explain to us HOW its possible scientifically For unicellular organisms to mutate to be multicellular organisms that have 2 kinds of complementary genital organs matching together inorder to reproduce sexually

Did I ask you to explain the division process and to categorize cells types.. all the readers know there are unicellular and multicellular organisms , Its very clear that you are wasting time and covering your disability to answer


3rd point

For simple unicellular organisms such as the Amoeba, one cell division reproduces an entire organism. On a larger scale, cell division can create progeny from multicellular organisms, such as plants that grow from cuttings. Cell division also enables sexually reproducing organisms to develop from the one-celled zygote, which itself was produced by cell division from gametes. And after growth, cell division allows for continual renewal and repair of the organism.

The primary concern of cell division is the maintenance of the original cell's genome. Before division can occur, the genomic information which is stored in chromosomes must be replicated, and the duplicated genome separated cleanly between cells. A great deal of cellular infrastructure is involved in keeping genomic information consistent between "generations".

where is the evolution theory ? I'll tell you what this qoute is talking about , Guyabano! at 1st i must tell you what does zygote means , zygote is a cell that is the result of fertilization all human beings for example were zygotes before , the zygote is a one cell formed by the merging of 2 cells ( usually but not always 1 sperm and 1 ovum). this one cell starts to divide to form organs bones nerves etc.

its a scientific fact that all multicellular organisms were zygotes , also its a scientific fact that we human beings got repaired by cellular division , if someone had a cut in his body he doesn't ask his parents to give him fertilized cells to heal his wound , but cells surrounding the cut divides to form more cells to cover the wound again. this is simillar in plants when you cut a branch

now look again to the red words in your quote and for sure you will understand


4th point

now after my explanation i'm pretty sure that you want to edit this following qoute:

Now don't tell me, the question hasn't been answered !

and you will agree with me that you didn't answer the question

 

[root]

Peace be upon those who Follow the truth.
may Guidance be to those who search the Truth

SNIP

Camouflage became an essential part of modern military tactics after the increase in accuracy and rate of fire of weapons at the end of the 19th century.

Actually this is not true so your debate opens with a falsehood. Not a good start, FYI, camouflage became an essential part of modern military tactics when weapons switched to fully cased ammunition which cleared the battlefield of heavy smoke which is why armies did not use camouflage in the first place because it was so smoky u could not see the enemy literally metres ahead of u. Accuracy, was a bonus but not the cause for camouflage

In nature it was found that some living things have the ability to blend into their environment or conceal their shape; for prey animals to avoid predators and for predators to be able to sneak up on prey.

wehey, I could agree with u here.

one of the amazing differences between Camouflage as a modern military tactic and Camouflage in nature is that human being use camouflage to blend into the surrounding, while in nature some animals and insects bodies are already camouflaged..

Agreed. we are going well

The leaf insect is our first example:

SNIP

Questions
1- Did this insect look at the mirror when it was born?

Probably not.

2-Does it know what the word camouflage means?

Probably not

3-Even if it knows, could it draw a shap of leaf on its back a full detailed leaf even with ribs and dry spots?

Probably not

Atheists!...Answer!

I have. what's your point?

 

[guyabano]

and you will agree with me that you didn't answer the question

Nope, I fully answered. There are many specific words in this text, but you said, copy/paste was allowed. Don't go now deeper and at least admit, people were able to answer your question.

 

[Makky]

Nope, I fully answered. There are many specific words in this text, but you said, copy/paste was allowed. Don't go now deeper and at least admit, people were able to answer your question.

I didn't expect that you will continue like that?

If you want to prove then mention one word only from the follwoing words in your essay
1- evolution
2-mutation
3-natural selection
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those 3 words are almost the basic words in the theory of evolution
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you wont find them in you essay
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your essay isn't talking about the theory of evoulution at all
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poor guyabano , try again



Root you are welcome

 

[wilberhum]

There is pattern that has developed here.

Makky asks a question,
But he already has deterred that there is only one valid answer.
He demands an answer.
Any answer other than god is proclaimed inadequate.

You can not provide answers to someone who knows everything. :-\

 

[Makky]

There is pattern that has developed here.

Makky asks a question,
But he already has deterred that there is only one valid answer.
He demands an answer.
Any answer other than god is proclaimed inadequate.

You can not provide answers to someone who knows everything. :-\

Wilber!

If you have an evidence of what you are saying then mention any valid answer among those weak replies..then lets discuss it.

be specific! all what you said has no evidence.

 

[wilberhum]

Wilber!

If you have an evidence of what you are saying then mention any valid answer among those weak replies..then lets discuss it.

be specific! all what you said has no evidence.

The answer I come up with is not god. So to you, it is by default, invalid.
Pointless. :hiding: It is like having a discussion with a wall.

 

[Makky]

The answer I come up with is not god. So to you, it is by default, invalid.
Pointless. :hiding: It is like having a discussion with a wall.

I didn't ask Who?

how come your answer its not GOD?

 

[wilberhum]

I didn't ask Who?

how come your answer its not GOD?

Because, I find the answers in natural processes.

Now your next question will be "What are those Natural Processes?".
Don't bother. You have received answers, but since they aren’t god, you don't accept them.
:muddlehea
Your interest in not in receiving or giving knowledge. Your only interest is attempting to prove god is the answer. :thumbs_do

An impossible task and I am not your pawn. laying:

 

[Makky]

Because, I find the answers in natural processes.

Now your next question will be "What are those Natural Processes?".
Don't bother. You have received answers, but since they aren’t god, you don't accept them.
:muddlehea
Your interest in not in receiving or giving knowledge. Your only interest is attempting to prove god is the answer. :thumbs_do

An impossible task and I am not your pawn. laying:

Wilber...its not a problem for me to skip this Question to discuss the next Questions,, Didn't you notice that we haven't discussed yet the leaf insect itself.. there is a chain of Questions until we reach the leaf insect itself..But the debaters are weaker than I was expecting .though i know that this Question has no answer but at least i was expecting a higher level of debaters..at least Fair ones.

 

[wilberhum]

Wilber...its not a problem for me to skip this Question to discuss the next Questions,, Didn't you notice that we haven't discussed yet the leaf insect itself.. there is a chain of Questions until we reach the leaf insect itself..But the debaters are weaker than I was expecting .though i know that this Question has no answer but at least i was expecting a higher level of debaters..at least Fair ones.

I am not your pawn.

By-By Makky.