How far can freedom of speech go?

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can you go into a few of the problems if possible please? Very briefly if you want.
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As an example:
How can it not be insulting to Christians whey you say there god is a lesser prophet of your god?
But this thread is no place to discuss that topic
 
Well, that is a belief.

Naturally, I wouldn't walk up to a Christian and say 'Your God is a lesser prophet of my God'. That would most likely be hurtful to them.

But it is freedom of speech that is in question, not freedom of belief. If the situation arises, then yes a Christian and a Muslim can tell each other what they believe but in such a way so as not to offend.

It's easily done. It's been done numerous times on this board easily.

If you like, I can write such a conversation between a Muslim and a Christian. :) The sad person that I am.

Actually no I can't. It's too sad. I do have a life you know! Though it may not seem like it. :rollseyes

Regards
 
Osman said:
Well, that is a belief.

Naturally, I wouldn't walk up to a Christian and say 'Your God is a lesser prophet of my God'. That would most likely be hurtful to them.

But it is freedom of speech that is in question, not freedom of belief. If the situation arises, then yes a Christian and a Muslim can tell each other what they believe but in such a way so as not to offend.

It's easily done. It's been done numerous times on this board easily.

If you like, I can write such a conversation between a Muslim and a Christian. :) The sad person that I am.

Actually no I can't. It's too sad. I do have a life you know! Though it may not seem like it. :rollseyes

Regards
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well anyway, Muslims should live in peace hand in hand with christians since they have the same God. But fact is, it CAN never happen, as I see no christian wanting something else than a democracy and a muslim wanting to live under sharia law. So, I guess, for the next centuries and generations, life (and war) will go on as usual :hmm:
 
Naturally, I wouldn't walk up to a Christian and say 'Your God is a lesser prophet of my God'. That would most likely be hurtful to them.
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That nice. What if someone doesn't want to be nice.

Now just write an enforceable law to cover it.
 
Freedom of speech is not an absolute freedom by any means. I don't think it should be, if some people will abuse it to make calls to violence.

I know qualifying freedom of speech sounds quite controversial, but the truth is there is no absolute freedom to say whatever the heck you want, as you can quite rightly be arrested for urging people to kill someone.

In an ideal world, people would say only nice things, and give only constructive criticism. However, we live in a flawed world, where if you tell a butthead to say more nice things than bad things and maybe people will not treat him as if he is a jerk, you're accused of censoring him.
 
Muezzin said:
In an ideal world, people would say only nice things, and give only constructive criticism.
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ermmm, wouldn't a 'ideal' or a 'perfect' world not be boring ? And wouldn't bored people just not really seek for troubles, for the certain kick? Then again, the world would not be perfect anymore....hmmm, my head start to spin !


Offtopic, but for those who watched the movie 'Matrix' !??
 
guyabano said:
well anyway, Muslims should live in peace hand in hand with christians since they have the same God. But fact is, it CAN never happen, as I see no christian wanting something else than a democracy and a muslim wanting to live under sharia law. So, I guess, for the next centuries and generations, life (and war) will go on as usual :hmm:
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An Islamic state is not necessarily incompatible with democracy, though. As explained in this thread. And this thread.

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wilberhum said:
That nice. What if someone doesn't want to be nice.

Now just write an enforceable law to cover it.
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I actually understand your problem with it.

Thing is, I'm speaking from an Islamic point of view and as we know, an Islamic state is based on..wait for it...Islam. And as far as I know, the Qur'an and Sunnah are a source of law so there wouldn't be much problem in implementing that.

But yes I can see it from your point of view. :)

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And the Islamic state was successfully implemented from the 7th Century with the Ummayads to the 20th century with the Ottomans.

So I don't want anybody telling me that it is impossible or too idealistic!

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I sense the Defiant Dhimmi is at the point of bursting now?
 
Aaron85 said:
The protesters were 100 % idiots. When someone glorifies terrorism and calls to it, it must end in prison.
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I agree to a certain extent. Glorifying terrorism in any way is very irresponsible and just shows those who are protesting have just lost the plot.
 
Osman said:
I sense the Defiant Dhimmi is at the point of bursting now?
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Your sense does not deceive you.

Your concept of "successfully implemented" to the non-Muslim would surly be simular to those of the Native Americans about the successfull implementation of the United States.
 
Osman said:
So much stuff
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Protesting is excercizing free speech and free assembly, because when you protest you make an assembly to excercize speech. Cartoons are not a part of free speech, yet rather free press.

So this is a case of free speech against free press. To be honest, the government shouldn't get involved because this isn't in their jurisdiction until certain violent acts take place.

My advice for all muslims that find any future offensive Danish Crap-Drawwings and would like to protest is to protest without physical aggression. Simply put up signs completely depicting your feelings towards the subject without acting offensive in anyways towards any group of people that way you don't look like a racist or bigot and then keep bringing up the subject of free speech as something permits you to continue or start these types of protests.

If the Europeans begin to send you to prison. Then you keep at it with bringing up Free Speech being violated, since protesting is an act of free speech.
 
Wilberhum,

wilberhum said:
Your concept of "successfully implemented" to the non-Muslim would surly be simular to those of the Native Americans about the successfull implementation of the United States.
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What I meant by 'successfully' was that it was according to Islamic ideals. Often, when talking about an Islamic state, certain people tend to envisage a Utopian society and then tell me that it is not possible. I was just trying to say that this Islamic state is not impossible as it has been set up in the past.

Sure, not all non-Muslims think of it as the best way forward but that's quite beside the point that I was trying to make. :)

Peace
 
Osman said:
Wilberhum,



What I meant by 'successfully' was that it was according to Islamic ideals. Often, when talking about an Islamic state, certain people tend to envisage a Utopian society and then tell me that it is not possible. I was just trying to say that this Islamic state is not impossible as it has been set up in the past.

Sure, not all non-Muslims think of it as the best way forward but that's quite beside the point that I was trying to make. :)

Peace
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I was just trying to say that this Islamic state is not impossible as it has been set up in the past.
We always need to go back to expectations. Almost always, when people talk about an Islamic State, thy talk about a situation that never existed and will never exist.

A mod, to whom I give great respect, though a bit naive at times, said that in an Islamic State, no innocent person would be executed because no one would lie in court. Now that is so far off reality it is sad.
Another said it was so peaceful, but when pushed agreed that there were wars.

So we are back to expiations. So your Islamic State would not be Utopia. There would bad people in government. Etc, Etc………. Then it is possible.

Sure, not all non-Muslims think of it as the best way forward
It would probably be more accurate to say, “Most all non-Muslims would not think of it as the best way forward”. People wish for freedom and equality not second class citizenship.

But in the mean time, I live in a Democracy with all its imperfections and I like it.
At least there are attempts for freedom and equality.
 

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