Does Evilness around the World disprove God?

So with that out of the way perhaps could you tell us? And then relate it to why, for example, there are mass murdering psychopaths in the world, why so many children still starve to death because weather or war destroys the crops, and why people have to suffer excrutiating agony for an extended period of time while dying from some forms of cancer? And how you believe these things to be compatable with the existence of an omniscient, omni-benevolent God?
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Its all accounted for in the afterlife :O, I thought this was obvious. Before you say whats the proof of afterlife? Well your arguement states it would be unjust if god exists and evil spread, so if god can exist, why can't afterlife? If you rule out afterlife you mayaswell rule out god to begin with in your arguement and just whine about how unjust the world is. You can't add half of it into the arguement, you got to add the full.
 
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Md Mashud said:
Its all accounted for, is why in the afterlife :O, I thought this was obvious.
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Not really. It's the sort of religious equivalent of me punching somebody in the face and then offering an apology accompanied by a box of chocolates. It's just far better not to punch somebody in the face in the first place. And indeed still give the person I didn't punch the chocolates.

Can I assume you are also in the dark as to what all this has to do with the number of eyes we have?!
 
asadxyz said:
Only an atheist can produce such "PEARL OF WISDOM".To get the answer for such queries you should answer the following question first.
Why do you have only two eyes ?? Why not four eyes, two on your front and two on your back ??
If you can answer this questions many Questions about God will be solved.
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because we are not related to insects. we are related to fish.
 
Trumble said:
Asking you to stop waffling and get to your point is hardly a 'tactic', atheistic or otherwise.

I have some ideas as to why we might have two eyes rather than four but as they do not involve God and do involve biology and evolution (on which I am not an expert) for sake of argument lets just assume I don't know the answer?

So with that out of the way perhaps could you tell us? And then relate it to why, for example, there are mass murdering psychopaths in the world, why so many children still starve to death because weather or war destroys the crops, and why people have to suffer excrutiating agony for an extended period of time while dying from some forms of cancer? And how you believe these things to be compatable with the existence of an omniscient, omni-benevolent God?
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Thought and an atheist ?? impossible. Are you kidding?
How can a person who says ,"Design can exist without a desighner " can think ?
 
Isambard said:
The strongest case in the arguement however are biological sociopaths. They are people literally born without a conscience or ability to sympathize. Their brains are often of a different structure than a normal human brian. In essence, (if he exists) God created evil men without the ability to change.
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I think the nurture vs. nature debate on sociopaths is still not settled as either side is still unproven.
 
SKAVAU

this thread is gna get nowhere unless u listen to me and everyone else and understand that omniscience has NOTHING TO DO WITH SEEING...he hasnt seen our lives before..

why wont u accept that???

scared?
 
sumeyye said:
SKAVAU

this thread is gna get nowhere unless u listen to me and everyone else and understand that omniscience has NOTHING TO DO WITH SEEING...he hasnt seen our lives before..

why wont u accept that???

scared?
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Knowing everything implies knowing the future. Ergo, haven seen it.
 
Isambard said:
Knowing everything implies knowing the future. Ergo, haven seen it.
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i agree...but my friend skavau constinusly states that 'all seeing' and 'all knowing' are equal and the same...hence his arguments tumble...
 
Isambard said:
Being all knowing is to be all seeing.
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to that..i giggle.

this implies that we hav lived our lives twice...

once for god to watch...

and once again for the fun of it...

do u really expect anyone to believ that we are living our lives for the second time?
 
sumeyye said:
to that..i giggle.

this implies that we hav lived our lives twice...

once for god to watch...

and once again for the fun of it...

do u really expect anyone to believ that we are living our lives for the second time?
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Or it implies destiny, which is his point. You cant have an all knowing God with free-will as that would violate choice.

So either you believe in free-will with a dumbed down god, or you believe in an all knowing God with no free-will
 
Isambard said:
Or it implies destiny, which is his point. You cant have an all knowing God with free-will as that would violate choice.

So either you believe in free-will with a dumbed down god, or you believe in an all knowing God with no free-will
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destiny?

expand please.
 
Isambard said:
That the only way for God to know everything in advance, is for there to be destiny, everything has only one outcome that has already been pre-ordained and 'set in stone' so to speak.
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yes..i no that u believe that...


then how does that explain that he has seen our lives and future before,,,

u said that all seing and all knowing were equal...
 
sumeyye said:
yes..i no that u believe that...


then how does that explain that he has seen our lives and future before,,,

u said that all seing and all knowing were equal...
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All seeing means God has seen our past, present, and future regardless of our location.

To be all knowing, one would have to have foreknowledge hence intrinsically implying to be all seeing as well.
 
Isambard said:
All seeing means God has seen our past, present, and future regardless of our location.

To be all knowing, one would have to have foreknowledge hence intrinsically implying to be all seeing as well.
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all seeing means that God is all seeING...that is in the present tense...

he has not seen our future...

again, for that to happen, we wud have had to live our lives twice...
 
sumeyye said:
all seeing means that God is all seeING...that is in the present tense...

he has not seen our future...

again, for that to happen, we wud have had to live our lives twice...
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All knowledgeable would make all seeing extending into future actions, that or you admit God really isnt all powerful.
 
Isambard said:
All knowledgeable would make all seeing extending into future actions, that or you admit God really isnt all powerful.
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god is all knwing...ie, has knowledge of future.yes. agreed.
god is all seeing...ie, sees all which is seeable...

something which hasnt happened isnt seeable.
 
asadxyz said:
Thought and an atheist ?? impossible. Are you kidding?
How can a person who says ,"Design can exist without a desighner " can think ?
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Stop waffling and answer the question. Or if, as I suspect, you are in way over your head, just say so.

As a matter of interest, BTW, that's a total straw-man. No atheist would dispute that a design, by definition, cannot exist without a designer. What they would dispute is the huge implied assumption that there is a 'design' at all and hence any need for a designer.
 

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