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no, there was no history of beheadings before recently that i know of. it has only been recent that the talibaan have gone in for beheadings. .

Speaking honestly, Pakistan is paying the price for the coalition failures in Afghanistan. They have not been able to defeat Talibans. The inept karzai govt has been a complete failure in all dimensions. Pakistan has been offering them viable suggestions but those were not accorded attention. Even the incompetent Karzai Govt openly opposed sealing of the borders :D we all know why?

They wanted to shift the war to Pakistan, thats why they opposed sealing the borders and US and the other partners kept quiet and didn't exert pressure on Afghan govt, which has resulted in mass border crossings and the influx of Aghanis due to their obvious ethnic affiliations have managed to seek refuge in the tribal areas. These all activities are being carried out by the foreigners hailing from diff countries.

That was to happen mainly due to the failures faced by the invaders in Afghanistan and the incompetence on the part of present Afghan govt.
 
ahsan,
i think you have a point re: afghanistan. i think they are hoping to erase the durand line. it is complicated further by the fact that the border divides the pashtuns. further complicated by the fact that the pashtuns feel neglected by the central gov't. do you think it's even possible to seal the border? (i don't)
in the tribal areas there are all sorts of foreigners running amok. uzbeks, arabs, and who knows? and more and more in to frontier province. the music shops where not in the tribal areas but in swat valley.
so pakistan has an enemy on either side and the u.s. besides (which sure doesn't help matters), as well as who knows how many internal enemies. what can pakistan do?
 
ahsan,
so pakistan has an enemy on either side and the u.s. besides (which sure doesn't help matters), as well as who knows how many internal enemies. what can pakistan do?


Pakistan has never experienced such situation, which it is experiencing now. The continued episode of retaliations and unrest won't be over unless we reach some solution in Afghanistan and that is possible only if the coalition is ready to leave and hand over the rule to the people of Afghanistan. Short of that, I don't see any visible solution n improvement in foreseeable future.
 
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Pakistan has never experienced such situation, which it is experiencing now. The continued episode of retaliations and unrest won't be over unless we reach some solution in Afghanistan and that is possible only if the coalition is ready to leave and hand over the rule to the people of Afghanistan. Short of that, I don't see any visible solution n improvement in foreseeable future.

you may well be right, but i hope not. i think there are still people who have not given up.
it's so sad to think about what the people could do if they only had a chance.:cry:
 
. as for music store closings and such - yes, there is history of such things - this is not new. do you support bombing music stores?
do you think a provision will be made to feed the music store owners' families?
The bombs are not a solution. You can bomb them all but the people will buy them from the net. And what they reach with that :?
They should explain to pleople why its important not to listen music. The money waste on bombs should be given to tv channels in some kind of small announcement.
 
Poll: Bin Laden tops Musharraf in Pakistan

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf -- a key U.S. ally -- is less popular in his own country than al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, according to a poll of Pakistanis conducted last month by an anti-terrorism organization.




Additionally, nearly three-fourths of poll respondents said they oppose U.S. military action against al Qaeda and the Taliban inside Pakistan, according to results from the poll conducted by the independent polling organization Terror Free Tomorrow.

"We have conducted 23 polls all over the Muslim world, and this is the most disturbing one we have conducted," said Ken Ballen, the group's head. "Pakistan is the one Muslim nation that has nuclear weapons, and the people who want to use them against us -- like the Taliban and al Qaeda -- are more popular there than our allies like Musharraf."

The poll was conducted for Terror Free Tomorrow by D3 Systems of Vienna, Virginia., and the Pakistan Institute for Public Opinion. Interviews were conducted August 18-29, face-to-face with 1,044 Pakistanis across 105 urban and rural sampling points in all four provinces across the nation. Households were randomly selected.

According to poll results, bin Laden has a 46 percent approval rating. Musharraf's support is 38 percent. U.S. President George W. Bush's approval: 9 percent.

Asked their opinion on the real purpose of the U.S.-led war on terror, 66 percent of poll respondents said they believe the United States is acting against Islam or has anti-Muslim motivation. Others refused to answer the question or said they did not know.

"We failed in winning hearts and minds in Pakistan," Ballen told CNN. "In fact, only 4 percent said we had a good motivation in the war on terrorism."

Seventy-four percent said they oppose U.S. military action against al Qaeda and the Taliban inside Pakistan.

After American relief efforts following the October 2005 earthquake in Pakistan's Kashmir region, 46 percent of Pakistanis had a positive opinion of the United States, according to the poll. But as of last month, only 19 percent reported a favorable opinion.

Meanwhile, al Qaeda has a 43 percent approval rate; the Taliban has a 38 percent approval rate; and local radical extremist groups had an approval rating between 37 percent to 49 percent.

Views of U.S. could improve, responses indicate

There were a few bright spots in the poll results, however. Opposition leader Benazir Bhutto -- a relatively moderate and progressive figure, as well as a woman -- had a 63 percent approval rating.

Seventy-five percent of poll respondents said suicide bombings are rarely or never justified.
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And a majority of Pakistanis said their opinion of the United States would improve if, among other things, there were increases in American aid to Pakistan, American business investments and the number of visas issued for Pakistanis to work in the United States.

Terror Free Tomorrow is a non-partisan, nonprofit group in Washington, D.C., and according to its Web site is "the only organization dedicated to a new strategic vision: Leading the fight against terror by winning the popular support that empowers global terrorists."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/11/poll.pakistanis/index.html
 
^^^ "there are statistics, statistics and outright lies"

poll manipulation is an expert field at which some excel more than others

A way has to be found to convince DumBush to pee in the pot that he just ate from or should I have said that Pakistan's enemies have to find a way to get it disarmed so that pre-nuclear attacks on it can be resumed without let or hindrance

this CNN crap is like me going to a brixton or chapel town club and asking them whether they like bob marley or the local police chief who keeps raiding their smokin den
 
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I wonder how long Muslims have to tread on eggshells on a so called Muslim site? It seems to promote anything from trolling to worship of kali, but when we dare to make a posts that is contrary to or is disliked by any kafir, it gets zapped quicker than I can say: oh where is my transcript from Brother Dr. Miller speech? (it is in cyber heaven along with many of my articles by Br. Harun) :(

this CNN crap poll is like me going to a brixton or chapel town club and asking them whether they like bob marley or the local police chief who keeps raiding their smokin den __________
 
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NoName55,
tread on eggshells
That would be a first. :D

But really, come on. you can't make a statement like
poll manipulation is an expert field at which some excel more than others
and expect quit. :-\

I still can't figure out what my kafirism has to do with it.
 
I still can't figure out what my kafirism has to do with it.
no, that was an allusion to another post of mine that got zapped on say so of a kafirah (not you)

poll manipulation is an expert field at which some excel more than others
even though I am on verge of senility I can still get the responses I want from almost anyone(for test purpose)

It is who you ask how you ask where you ask, how you speak to them before you put your questions.

I repeat

this CNN crap poll is like me going to a brixton or chapel town club and asking them whether they like bob Marley or the local police chief who keeps raiding their smoking den.
or me going to a Shi'ite place of worship and ask ;how many of you chaps love Hazrat Abu Bakr
 
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Yep. That is about 8% more than I would have guessed.

Must have been poll manipulation.
(Sorry NoName, just couldn't resist)
If I went to one of remote villages and the population gathered around me and

I told half of them that
  • Bush is white emperor from a far of land and his kingdom sent you all that wheat during last draught
and tel the other half that
  • he is a demon king who is soon to come to them in his b52 to drop napalm on their village
I can more or less secure a 50% apprval for him
 
If I went to one of remote villages and the population gathered around me and

I told half of them that
  • Bush is white emperor from a far of land and his kingdom sent you all that wheat during last draught
and tel the other half that
  • he is a demon king who is soon to come to them in his b52 to drop napalm on their village
I can more or less secure a 50% apprval for him
So you assume that the people who responded to the polls had no knowledge about what they were being asked?
 
So you assume that the people who responded to the polls had no knowledge about what they were being asked
checkout the literacy rate amongst our population then come back (each time we were about to come out of ignorance and start progressing, we were bombed back to start by our "friendly" neighbor,

only respite we have had is since becoming nuclear armed) They have to get that deterrent removed somehow to resume their efforts at "re-unification of India"
 
NoName
The poll was conducted for Terror Free Tomorrow by D3 Systems of Vienna, Virginia., and the Pakistan Institute for Public Opinion. Interviews were conducted August 18-29, face-to-face with
1,044 Pakistanis across 105 urban and rural sampling points in all four provinces across the nation.
Households were randomly selected.
That sounds like good sampleing to me.
 
even then, one can frame questions as follows:

  • Do you like "sheik" (a scholar) osama (a freedom fighter)?
  • Do you like "Dictator" Musharaf ( killer of "Muslims")
or

  • Do you like osama the terrorist, killer of unarmed civilians
  • Do you like President Musharaf savior of Pakistan, a mojahid who fought against kuffar more than 5 times risking life and limb, a feared by kuffaar commando for many years and the man who held Indians pinned down until Clinton rescued them with help of nawaz sharif
or one can try many variations thereof including osama the mercenary of Russian/afghan war who bought equipment from his own companies with CIA money and has falsely claimed credit for supplying from his own pocket and etc. (I am out of here before I get zapped again)
 
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NoName,
You seam to assume that all polls are fixed and no one wants to understand what the situation is. Yet similuar polls show simular results.

Are all polls fixed.

You may think so, I don't.

But then thats just me being me.
 
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