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So not agreeing with her political stance justifies killing those who support her.
Interesting. :?
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Interesting. :?
Thats how those people perceive and view her as the enemy of Islam and Pakistan.
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And that justifies murder?
That you should ask those whose families have been killed and houses destroyed because of this absurd war against terror
They may be in a better position to explain
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So I assume your answer is yes.Taht you should ask those whose families have been killed and houses destroyed because of this absurd war against terror
They may be in a better position to explain
I also assume that you think it is ok to kill some one who blongs to a group that did something wrong to you.
Sad, so sad.
As I said, ask those who are the victims of this war against terror and im not amongst those, so can't really become spokesman on their behalf.
Why don't you visit Afghanistan and adjacent tribal areas of Pakistan to get ist hand knowledge
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Why do you refuse to answer the question?As I said, ask those who are the victims of this war against terror and im not amongst those, so can't really become spokesman on their behalf.
Why don't you visit Afghanistan and adjacent tribal areas of Pakistan to get ist hand knowledge
I can only think of two reasons.
Because I don't like one-sided opinion, loaded with biased thinking and pre-conceived notions. If you condemn suicide attacks, well you have to condemn those also, who are the initiators of state terrorism against weaker nations. Remember illegal occupation leads to retaliation and there is no doubt about that. Accept the reality, though it may be hard for you to swallow
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Because I don't like one-sided opinion, loaded with biased thinking and pre-conceived notions. If you condemn suicide attacks, well you have to condemn those also, who are the initiators of state terrorism against weaker nations. Remember illegal occupation leads to retaliation and there is no doubt about that. Accept the reality, though it may be hard for you to swallow
Then you should give up your one-sided opinion, loaded with biased thinking and pre-conceived notions.
Why? If you don't consider anything about mass killings of innocents as a result of state terrorism, doesn't mean others also don't
We should try to address the issues, which lead to suicide attacks, rather wasting our energies and resources in killings of women and kids through blind air strikes and missiles.
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You have no clue what I think. :?Why? If you don't consider anything about mass killings of innocents as a result of state terrorism, doesn't mean others also don't
We should try to address the issues, which lead to suicide attacks, rather wasting our energies and resources in killings of women and kids through blind air strikes and missiles.
You seam to have no problem with shooting women in the back of the head for it's entertainment value. You only seam to care if women and children are killed when they are taken to the war front.
But what leads to suicide attacke?
You act like there is one answer. :hmm:
Complex situations have complex causes and there are no simple answers.
Intollorance, religious concepts and hate in general are great contributers.
But there are a thousand other factors.
Of course there are many but you didn't mention like dropping 1000 kgs smart bombs on women and kids, precision guided missiles, tanks, artillery and gunships, which are being used to kill Afghans, these are the prime factors, leading to retaliations.
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this is only my impression, based on what friends have said and what i've read. any explanation is bound to be an over-simplification.
first of all, you can't really separate politics and religion in pakistan. it is a conservative and traditional society. i think that although traditional and religious, most pakistanis do not want to establish shariah. (but of course, this is only an impression).
there is a great deal of anger among many pakistanis at their gov't siding with the u.s. (though the alternative was, was probably the option of being bombed in to the stone age) and there is also anger at the u.s. both for its attack on afghanistan and at the u.s. violation of pakistani sovereignty
bhutto is seen as bush's pick of the crop. (personally, i think recycling corrupt leaders is pathetic.)
over the years due to the soviet occupation of afghanistan, the u.s. with its usual shortsightedness, and the pak. gov't supported the religious right to fight its proxy war against the u.s.s.r. as soon as the ussr left, the u.s. promptly lost interest. afghanistan was plunged in to a mess. the talibaan were welcomed by many, simply because they restored order and security.
even before this, various pakistani governments have also played "the religious card" for their own motivations.
there is a serious threat from the religious nut jobs (pardon the expression
), who have declared a "holy war" (al-qaeda has too) against the gov't of pakistan and who seek to impose shariah on the country by force. they have killed a number of pakistani soldiers and police forces, esp in the tribal areas, which have never really been under control from the central gov't. so you cannot really separate the political from the religious - both are going on and division between the 2 is often blurred.
so much for my take.
what lies ahead for pakistan, i have no idea and don't know if anyone does but i hope it is better.
Yes, and it is internal Pakistani dynamics that are leading this to violence in the first place. In many other countries these conflicts would be resolved through more peaceful means. This is Pakistanis vs. Pakistanis. The US and NATO just play a side role in this, they seem like an excuse for other cleavages within Pakistani society. I mean, the list I posted clearly shows the majority of these bombings have nothing to do with the US presence in a neighboring country. Most of this violence is against religious gatherings.
2. None of the suicidal attacks has any linkage to political turmoil, these have been carried out on Govt officials and VIPs for assisting the US in the war against terror. Why don't you see NATO and US failure against Talibans, so many years passed and they are still unable to claim any worthwhile success, despite having been equipped with state-of-the-art weapon systems and other resources and the world expects Pakistan to do some magic and restore the situation in entire South Asia
So you are telling me that all these bombings on mosques, Shiites, Sunnis, funerals and whatnot were really government targets or VIPs? In the hundreds that died in all these terrorist attacks, there was 1 (one) American diplomat. All the other victims were Pakistanis.
It is still Pakistanis blowing up Pakistanis. Clearly you are viewing Pakistan as being in a civil war. To you political disagreement is logically fought out using violence. "Benazir made controversial statements, of course it was attempted to blow up her and her followers, duh!".
You state of mind is one of war. Apparently there are enough in Pakistan who share your view and also consider it completely natural for this to be fought out violently.
The 32 high profile under investigation cases of 2006 and 2007 include the Hangu suicide attack; suicide attack at Punjab Regiment Centre Dargai; Islamabad Marriot Hotel bomb blast; suicide attack targeting police officers in Peshawar during Moharram; suicide attack on army convoy at Tank; suicide attack in a Quetta district court; suicide attack at the public meeting of Aftab Ahmad Khan Sherpao, the interior minister, at Charsadda; suicide attack at police lines D I Khan; suicide attack at Army convoy in general area Matta; suicide attack in police training centre, Hangu; suicide attack on an ISI bus in Rawalpindi; suicide attack on the Mess of Zarrar Company (SSG) at Tarbela Ghazi; suicide attack on police personnel in Dawa Ghara in Bannu; suicide attack on the caravan of Benazir Bhutto near PN Karsaz, Karachi; and attack on Frontier constabulary truck in Mingora Swat. The above details cover the major terrorist attacks till October 25, 2007.
In all a total of 60 suicide attacks have hit Pakistan, which resulted into the killing of 796 people and injuring 2275. The vast majority of these attacks, however, were recorded in 2007 although in the previous years such incidents remained a few each year. The details show that there were four terrorist attacks in 2002; two in 2003; five in 2004; two in 2005; six in 2006 and 41 in 2007.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/print3.asp?id=10875
Add another suicide attack near Army Headquarters on 30 OCT 2007 and that makes a total of 61 suicidal attacks. Now prove to me, how many out of 61 suicidal attacks were reportedly made on religious or sectarian basis?
I will appreciate your response supported by a credible source.
I am quite willingly to be corrected and accept the figures you posted.
The following site have an even more comprehensive list:
http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/pakistan/database/majorincidents.htm
So the majority of the attacks are directed against political targets, such as government officials or the likes of Bhutto. On top of that a minority of terrorist attacks are of a sectarian nature. Apparently Pakistan is essentially in (or at the very least slipping into) a civil war. A very troubling fact, it is without doubt the most unstable nuclear-armed power on this planet.
But the existing instability on internal front has been gifted by the West. Pakistan is paying and will continue to pay for its siding with US in the so-called war against terror.
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