News 4m Pakistan

[KAding]

But the existing instability on internal front has been gifted by the West. Pakistan is paying and will continue to pay for its siding with US in the so-called war against terror.

So you don't see some deeper problem here? A clash between secularists and orthodox Muslims? In your opinion is for example the Red Mosque stand-off also directly related to the US presence in Afghanistan?

I'm asking because I have this feeling that the US presence is really just a catalyst in this. That there are deep disagreements in Pakistan on how to govern the country and whether to set up an Islamic state or not.

 

[ahsan28]

So you don't see some deeper problem here? A clash between secularists and orthodox Muslims? In your opinion is for example the Red Mosque stand-off also directly related to the US presence in Afghanistan?

I'm asking because I have this feeling that the US presence is really just a catalyst in this. That there are deep disagreements in Pakistan on how to govern the country and whether to set up an Islamic state or not.

If you take into account the period before Pakistan was trapped by the US for the unholy alliance against Talibans, you would seldom find examples of such attacks on security forces and other Govt officials.

The Red Mosque incident contributed further towards the hatred and ill-feelings against the existing unpopular Govt. We can't take a single occurrence in isolation for basing our analysis of the suicide bombings in Pakistan. People seem extremely upset and opposed to the existing policies of the Govt, aimed at appeasing the US Govt, which is equally unable to control the insurgency in Afghanistan. The whole scenerio appears bleak, especially for Pakistan, which is slowly and gradually turning into another Afghanistan.

 

[wilberhum]

Another day, another suicide bomber

Several die in Pakistan bomb attack
At least eight people have been killed and dozens wounded in a suicide bomb attack on a bus carrying air force officials in Pakistan.

The suicide bomber crashed his motorbike laden with explosives into the bus in the Sargodha district of central Punjab province on Thursday.

Javed Cheema, an interior ministry spokeman, said: "The bus was carrying trainee flying officers when it was attacked.

"Eight air force officials died in the terrorist attack."

According to security officials, the dead included a squadron leader, two airmen and five trainee flying officers.

Children hurt

The largest air force base in Pakistan is located in the region.
The bomber's dismembered head was found at the scene, said Hamid Javed, a police officer.

"There was a huge bang which was heard several kilometres away," he said.

Anwar Ali, another police officer, told the AFP news agency that three school children were also hurt when shrapnel hit a nearby van in which they were travelling.

Sargodha was the scene of a failed suicide bomb attack a few months ago when an attacker managed to enter a police compound but was shot dead before he could blow himself up.

The attack comes two days after a bomber struck the army office of Pervez Musharraf, the president, in the city of Rawalpindi.
(More)
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/2FF29F2C-157A-4562-A008-46BA88C1EF76.htm

 

[MTAFFI]

Another day, another suicide bomber

Several die in Pakistan bomb attack
At least eight people have been killed and dozens wounded in a suicide bomb attack on a bus carrying air force officials in Pakistan.

The suicide bomber crashed his motorbike laden with explosives into the bus in the Sargodha district of central Punjab province on Thursday.
...

what worse, they claim to do this in the name of Islam and Jihad

what even worse than that is when people stick up for them and claim they have the right and cause to do such acts that go against everything Islam stands for, effectively enabling and supporting those involved :grumbling

 

[wilberhum]

Taliban told to close offices by Nov 12
BANNU, Nov 1: A jirga of Ahmadzai Wazir tribe of Domel town and adjoining areas has told the local Taliban to close their offices and stop their activities in the area by Nov 12.

At its meeting in Domel on Thursday, the jirga urged local people to stop giving donations to the Taliban.

It decided that an armed force would be raised after the deadline to control the law and order situation and work for maintaining peace.

The meeting observed that the Taliban had violated an earlier agreement with local people and declared that they should pay a fine of Rs1 million. It decided that anyone providing space for Taliban’s office or giving them donation would be fined Rs500,000. “We will not take the law into our hands, rather we will abide by Islamic injunctions,” the participants said.

The jirga constituted a committee to select volunteers for the force and ensure that the Taliban closed their office by the deadline.

http://dawn.com/2007/11/02/nat32.htm

 

[salmanthehunk]

PAKISTAN: Emergency has been imposed all over the country and a new PCO has been issued.

 

[SophiaCroft]

I was checking news and this is the new I found (same as above but in detail) :

General Musharraf imposes emergency, suspends constitution

ISLAMABAD ( 2007-11-03 20:08:15 ) :
Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf imposed emergency rule on Saturday and deployed troops across the capital in a bid to reassert his flagging authority against political rivals and militants.

Pakistan's internal security has deteriorated sharply in recent months with a wave of suicide attacks by al Qaeda-inspired militants, including one that killed 139 people.

Pakistan Television said General Musharraf, who is also chief of army staff, had suspended the constitution and declared an emergency. The move is expected to put off parliamentary elections due in January.

Witnesses said paramilitary troops were deployed at Pakistan Television and radio stations ahead of the announcement, which follows weeks of speculation that US ally Musharraf might impose emergency rule or martial law.

Troops sealed off Constitution Avenue, the thoroughfare where the presidency building, the National Assembly and the Supreme Court are located.

Television channels also said that Supreme Court Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry, whose earlier dismissal in March marked the beginning of a slide in Musharraf's popularity, had been told that his services were "no longer required".

The SC said on Friday it would reconvene on Monday and try to finish the case quickly, having earlier said it would take a break until Nov. 12 -- just three days before Musharraf's current term is due to expire.

A senior security official told Reuters that Musharraf would seek approval for the move from the cabinet later, after which there were expectations he would address the nation.

The cabinet was due to start meeting at 7 pm (1400 GMT).

"NOT PLEASANT NEWS"

Bhutto's husband Asif Ali Zardari said she was already on a flight back to Pakistan from Dubai. He described Musharraf's move was "definitely not pleasant news".

"We're hoping to build institutions, not destroy them."

Before the announcement on emergency rule, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice had told journalists travelling with her to Turkey that Washington opposed any authoritarian measures and wanted elections to go ahead.

"I think it would be quite obvious that the United States would not be supportive of extra-constitutional means," Rice said. "Pakistan needs to prepare for and hold free and fair elections."

In London, a spokesman for former Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif said; "We feel it's a desperate attempt of a defeated dictator who has been exposed for what he is in the eyes of the world."

"He (Musharraf) feels the Supreme Court will not allow him to remain the president. That's why he has taken the decision," spokesman Nadir Chaudhri said,

 

[snakelegs]

very sad, but probably unavoidable.

 

[NoName55]

In London, a spokesman for former Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif said; "We feel it's a desperate attempt of a defeated dictator who has been exposed for what he is in the eyes of the world."

shameless and ungrateful bunch of unrepentant robbers!

"He (Musharraf) feels the Supreme Court will not allow him to remain the president. That's why he has taken the decision," spokesman Nadir Chaudhri said,

so he should let the killers do their "jihad" lest he is accused of something like this?

 

[snakelegs]

shameless and ungrateful bunch of unrepentant robbers!

so he should let the killers do their "jihad" lest he is accused of something like this?

he will take criticism from all sides. but with all the attacks/killings/hostage taking of pakistani soldiers and police, what choice did he have? the u.s. didn't want him to do it - do they want the country to just sink in to complete anarchy, providing an excuse for direct intervention?

 

[NoName55]

he will take criticism from all sides. but with all the attacks/killings/hostage taking of pakistani soldiers and police, what choice did he have? the u.s. didn't want him to do it - do they want the country to just sink in to complete anarchy, providing an excuse for direct intervention?

I suspect so!

 

[SophiaCroft]

he will take criticism from all sides. but with all the attacks/killings/hostage taking of pakistani soldiers and police, what choice did he have? the u.s. didn't want him to do it - do they want the country to just sink in to complete anarchy, providing an excuse for direct intervention?

I think it was the main idea from the start. It a basic plot to take over country that make the nation fight amoung themselves and it is going very well . I feel so concered for Pakistani. May Allah Help them. Ameen

 

[KAding]

I suspect so!

So cynical! :-\

 

[KAding]

I think it was the main idea from the start. It a basic plot to take over country that make the nation fight amoung themselves and it is going very well . I feel so concered for Pakistani. May Allah Help them. Ameen

So maybe the first step by Pakistanis (on all sides) should be to stop killing each other? Then this 'main idea' from the US could never become reality!

 

[KAding]

On the other hand you also have to wonder why the US would want a nuclear armed country to plunge into chaos and anarchy?

 

[ahsan28]

Not until they require Pakistan's support in the absurd war against terror, afterwards, same attitude would be shown, as they displayed after Soviet withdrawal. Pakistan is fighting their war, not its own.

 

[snakelegs]

Not until they require Pakistan's support in the absurd war against terror, afterwards, same attitude would be shown, as they displayed after Soviet withdrawal. Pakistan is fighting their war, not its own.

are you saying that if bush, inc. woke up one day and quit this "war on terror" that all of pakistan's problems would be over? are you saying that those who have declared jihaad on the gov't of pakistan and demand shariah, would pack up and go home?
i think pakistan is fighting both internal and external enemies. not everything can be blamed on the u.s., no matter how tempting and convenient it might be.
as for your claim above, i think pakistan is fighting the u.s. war but it is also fighting its own.
i do not know why the u.s. didn't want president musharraf to do anything when almost every day pakistani soldiers are being attacked, killed and taken hostage - could any country just sit there and allow this to go on?
it would not surprise me if the u.s. wants to intervene directly, though i hope i am wrong. those who are fighting this (declared) jihaad against pakistan, do not seem to concern themselves with external reality.
personally, while i think it is sad, i do not see that general musharraf had any choice - what would you have had him do - nothing? sit there and wait for the u.s. to come in and clean up the mess?
also, you may have noticed that he has openly defied the u.s. for the first time - you should give him credit for that, if nothing else. i do.

sophia croft:

I think it was the main idea from the start. It a basic plot to take over country that make the nation fight amoung themselves and it is going very well . I feel so concered for Pakistani. May Allah Help them. Ameen

i am also concerned and ameen to your prayer. however, as i said above, i see both internal and external dangers to the country. pakistanis were fighting among themselves before the "war on terror" was invented!

 

[ahsan28]

are you saying that those who have declared jihaad on the gov't of pakistan and demand shariah, would pack up and go home?
i think pakistan is fighting both internal and external enemies. !

I will restrict myself to replying to this part only, as I can't type more, really tired, so please accept my inability.


1. Did anyone declare jihad against Pakistan's Govt, prior to its joining in war against terror with US? If you analyse fairly, you would agree with me that jihadi elements were never so vocal and active as are today.

2. I agree as far as internal front is concerned, but not sure about external front, if you could kindly explain to me?

If you are mentioning about India, you should be relaxed on that account as those with some vision don't foresee any war between these two countries in near future atleast, since conventional superiority held by India for a long time has already been marginalised by Pakistan on becoming a nuclear power. Both countries are well familiar with MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) and can't afford to go into war against each other. Moreover they can't have big gains in any future war, so the possibility seems remote and if Kashmir issue is resolved, the chance of war between the two countries will be zero.

 

[Talha777]

I agree with brother Ahsan that most, if not all of the turmoil that is now in Pakistan is a direct result of America's so called "War on Terror" and its blackmailing of the Pakistani government to do the brunt of the dirty work in this war. But the people of Pakistan are self-respecting people and they do not want to be slaves of America, this is why there is so much popular opposition against the tyranny of Musharraf, who is basically an American stool pigeon.

Musharraf answers to the government of America, not the people of Pakistan, which is why he had the nerve and confidence to commit such atrocities such as the Lal Masjid massacre, the ongoing massacre and supression of the people of Baluchistan and Wazirstan, and the harrassment of the madrassahs, which are the vanguard of Islam. Whoever does not realize the nature of Musharraf's satanic campaign to destroy Islam in Pakistan is truly blind. And whoever does not realize that America is behind it is even more so.

 

[wilberhum]

Musharraf answers to the government of America

Isn't that odd. He answers to the US as he declares Marshal Law which the US is condemning. :hiding:

But it isn’t odd that some people over look all facts that don’t support their point of view. :giggling: