Non muslim wearing hijab

[Pygoscelis]

I would love to see a discussion on this topic between a devout muslim and a nudist. I've seen both sides now but I've never seen them in one place.

 

[Woodrow]

I would love to see a discussion on this topic between a devout muslim and a nudist. I've seen both sides now but I've never seen them in one place.

You won't see them in the same place. If you did it would not be a devout Muslim who is partaking in the discussion.

Now that was a reply I did not expect. Although thinking about it, it is a logical question as it is a search for the differences between extremes.

An actual discussion like that would probably be impossible. This would most likely end up as a non-discussion, sort of similar to "what would happen if an irresistible force hit an immovable object?"


The closest you could come would be to read the writings of some acknowledged Islamic scholars and compare them with the words or writings of Nudist activists.

 

[Isambard]

You won't see them in the same place. If you did it would not be a devout Muslim who is partaking in the discussion.

Now that was a reply I did not expect. Although thinking about it, it is a logical question as it is a search for the differences between extremes.

An actual discussion like that would probably be impossible. This would most likely end up as a non-discussion, sort of similar to "what would happen if an irresistible force hit an immovable object?"


The closest you could come would be to read the writings of some acknowledged Islamic scholars and compare them with the words or writings of Nudist activists.

Would be nice to see an objective book written and researched on Islamic modesty vs. Nudists. I got a feeling alot of claims would be debunked

 

[جوري]

Thnx for the post PA, I was wondering what the shawls were for. What about the beard though? Ive heard that Islamic men should have beards because it makes them masculine, if thats the case, wouldnt it be similar to how being curvey or having breasts makes a woman feminine?

I have posted a few more above for your viewing pleasure ..
Now I am not sure why there is a problem with being feminine or masculine? why is it a bad thing to be curvy (femnine or masculine)? I mean surely you see the difference between flaunting your beauty and down right denying it... People who imitate the opposite gender are very sincerely frowned upon... you should take pride in what you are.. just don't share it with every Tom, Dick and Harry... and respect the sanctity of your marriage...Surely even though this lady is sporting a Niqab which is more conservative than a Hijab, you can still sense that she is very feminine?

Anyhow.. some of the outfits you see are popular to a particular area, Muslims from Iraq have different traditional dress from Muslim in Pakistan.. Thus a 'shawl' that might be popular to the Saudis, might not be to the pakistanis... each area usually sticks to its traditional wear while maintaining their modesty...
regards

 

[ahsan28]

First, to the person who said men are more swayed by appearances than women are, I'm not so sure that is true.

Then why do we only see male non-Muslims posing questions and hinting against the hijab and modest wearings?

Does the concept of hijab and concealment bother them too much because they can't fulfill their desires when they look at Muslim women?

In a Muslim country, if a woman were to go out dressed in a miniskirt or something and along side her walked a modestly dressed Muslim sister, the onlookers would most definitely say/do/feel evil towards the former. This is because in these countries, the hijab and concealment is a common trend and it is respected, unlike in western countries where it is detested.

 

[nevesirth]

i see no reason why ome people are still opposed to muslimahs choosing to wear the hijab. wearing the hijab does not make someone function less in a society. is there any special benefit for seeing a womans hair? i think the hijab is a symbol of modesty and every woman has the right to make a choice to wear hijab

salamu alaykum

 

[جوري]

^^^ agree Muslim women are in all fields and in all sports.. I am not sure why some people just can't live and let live? Seems the only freedom Muslim women seek is that from nasty comments of those who deem them opressed! Perhaps the easiest thing to do is ask a sister if she feels opressed?

Still in the water
Egypt's greatest swimmer before she retired, Rania Elwani's love affair with water continues -- but there has been a career change. Nashwa Abdel-Tawab talks to the gold fish who has a new wish

It is not easy being Rania Elwani and it is certainly not easy keeping up with her. One of the world's fastest short-distance swimmers until she retired two years ago, Elwani has kept up her torrid pace on land as well. Meeting her can be a small miracle, so packed is her schedule. The day begins at 6am with rowing, followed by classes at the Faculty of Medicine at Misr University for Science and Technology, lunch at home, hitting the books, some more training, more classes, working at her new job in the International Olympic Committee and, finally, bedtime. Time off to call her friends and visit relatives has become a luxury.

Our "miracle meeting" took place on the Nile where Elwani has taken rowing so seriously that her goal is to make the Olympic team. Elwani, who spent 17 years plying the waters as an Olympic swimmer, was born to race in water and, even though she retired from the sport and donned the scarf, she has returned to her element all over again. There is a bond with water that even she cannot explain. "I don't know what's the reason behind choosing rowing as a replacement for swimming," Elwani said. "It came naturally. I stopped swimming after the Sydney Olympics and took up rowing eight months later. I am a sportswoman. Sports is in my genes. I wake up early to play sports and it seems that rowing is a natural shift for me and, of course, it entails water."

Elwani took up rowing for fun at first, but by time and after hearing her competitive spirit calling, she decided to go one step further and take it seriously. Seriously means training two hours in the morning, two hours in the evening and one hour of fitness practice -- and hoping to make the 2004 Greece Games.

As when she was an Olympic swimmer, she has hired a woman coach for her rowing, Olga Stydova, an ex-world champion from the Ukraine. "I've got the endurance and Olga's got the technique, and I'm rowing hard."

Can Elwani become an established rower? She admits that there is no comparison between swimming and rowing. While she may have the endurance of a rower -- in swimming, Elwani put in roughly five hours a day in training plus rough endurance sessions -- the techniques in both sports are oceans apart.

"It's hard to imagine winning the African Rowing Championship in September (which would book a ticket to the Olympics) with only one year's worth of rowing. With no experience or time, it's doubtful."

Still, in her skiff, she takes on the Nile waters with fierce determination, the kind that made her a swimming sensation. Though she did not win a medal in the three Olympic Games she entered, Elwani's feats are immense all the same. In Sydney, she took 11th place in the 50-metre freestyle and 16th in the 100m freestyle, the best Arab achievements ever. At one time, she was ninth in the world in 50 metres and 10th in the 100.

However, it was at the regional level that Elwani had her finest moments, starting with the 1991 All-Africa Games in Egypt where she exploded on the national scene at age 13, collecting nine medals, including four gold. In the 1995 All-Africa Games she won three gold medals and in the more challenging Mediterranean Games in Bari in 1997 she garnered two gold and one silver. Her amazing performance in the 1997 Arab Games in Beirut, where she hauled in nine gold medals and two silver, was somehow bested in Amman two years later when she struck gold -- incredibly -- 11 times.

Elwani's prodigal pool showings helped get her selected last month to the International Olympic Committee (IOC), one of only 15 athletes so honoured. At only 23, she has thus become the first Egyptian woman to enter the IOC and only the second Egyptian to do so, following Munir Thabet, president of the Egyptian Olympic Committee.

At IOC headquarters in Lausanne, she was given her first task, that of how to combat drugs in sports and run an Olympics.

Her IOC membership lasts for eight years during which Elwani, going by her history, will prove an excellent ambassador for Egypt. She is a straight A student in college -- though she sheepishly admits to a few B's when at Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas.

And there is that steely determination to be the best at what she does. "It took me 17 years of hard training to be the best Arab swimmer, male or female," Elwani said "If I'm going to train for rowing, I have to do it seriously. I have to organise my time and not waste it." As she goes about her daily routine, there isn't much time that can go to waste.
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2002/586/sp4.htm

 

[guyabano]

yeah...the muslim woman is too important to be on display like some cheap product.

all other women are also important and need to be respected. Or you want to say, that my wife is a cheap product, just because she's not veiled?

I'm pretty sure, you do, just you don't have the guts to speak it out! And I'm always told on the forum, I'm intolerant...pffffff

 

[guyabano]

I just want to send my greatest admiration to the ladies wh chose to wear "TENTS". Can you imagine the amount of courage it can take one to make such a decision? I mean, in a society that's so very superficial. Some pseudo diktats think they have the right to impose the corrupt occidental aesthetic kanons on us?

These ladies are so brave to follow their religion and back face the fashion current. Hats off to you ladies and may you get the respect that you deserve.

Bewildred

The point is, are these burkha's also 'daily-life' proof?
I mean, can a woman drive car like that, what about her mobility, her field of vision, carrying things, riding a bike?
I'm sorry, but since a few women wearing burkha's blow themselves off in the name of Allah, I'm feeling uncomfortable in presence of such women. Before these terrorist attacks, I had no problem with that.

 

[rozeena]

The point is, are these burkha's also 'daily-life' proof?
I mean, can a woman drive car like that, what about her mobility, her field of vision, carrying things, riding a bike?
I'm sorry, but since a few women wearing burkha's blow themselves off in the name of Allah, I'm feeling uncomfortable in presence of such women. Before these terrorit attacks, I had no problem with that.

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[guyabano]

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'tent' ... Burqa !!! Got it ? kay:

 

[جوري]

Let's keep it clean for Ramadan please...
A woman who wears a burqa does so by choice as it isn't obligatory in Islam like hijab.. some like to swim.. some like a completely spiritual path.. it is their choice.. like some nuns choose to forgo marriage, normal male/female relations as 'nature' dictates and live in a convent.. No one has a right to tell anyone they are making the wrong choice!
We need to deal with our own discomforts rather than force others to conform and adopt our idea of 'freedom'!

peace!

 

[ahsan28]

I'm sorry, but since a few women wearing burkha's blow themselves off in the name of Allah,

Condemn the Roman Catholic Church for its complicity in the atrocities committed during Argentina’s “dirty war.”“

The attitude of the church was scandalously close to the dictatorship” that killed more than 15,000 Argentines and tortured tens of thousands more, the priest told a panel of three judges here, “to such an extent that I would say it was of a sinful degree.” The panel is deciding the fate of the Rev. Christian von Wernich, a priest accused of conspiring with the military who has become for many a powerful symbol of the church’s role.


By ALEXEI BARRIONUEVO
Published: September 17, 2007

NY Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/17/w...em&ex=1190260800&en=6175a02f2b30a8bd&ei=5087


Should we blame christianity for the wrong acts by few????

You may open the link to see a christian lady wearing scarf with the name of Jesus carved on it

 

[rozeena]

'tent' ... Burqa !!! Got it ? kay:

ill jus :X cus guna say sumfin dt u wnt like,

 

[Esther462]

I've the video many times on YouTube.

If Non Muslims want to wear hijab, its up to them, theres nothing topping them. Hijab and covering yourself up is a good thing in the summer. I get sun burnt really easyerly and I fell really tence when I'm not covered up in the summer and the winter. Sun cream is also bad for you as its got loads of narsty man made cemicals in them which can cause damage to your health. I know this because I watch a program about it on Channel 4 in the UK and I found it really intresting.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Then why do we only see male non-Muslims posing questions and hinting against the hijab and modest wearings?

Apparently because you're not looking closely enough. I know many female non-mulsims who see the hajib as repression. This isn't a male thing.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Female or not, their reasoning is the same. I see no difference except that the men get a free viewing. Unless of course the woman likes another woman...ok ill leave now.

 

[Jayda]

The original Christian women and Jewish women do wear the Hijab or variations of it. If not always.

For most Jews and Christians it is mandatory for worship.

But, as people change, many now find reasons to say it is not required.

Some Examples:

there is no logical reason for people to be opposed to Muslimahs wearing Hijabs. A Hijab is much more beautiful than anything a hair stylist can do.

hola

although i think that might be a protestant, that picture is what i wear. it is called a 'mantilla' and women wear them at mass, anytime we visit the vatican and also when we pray at home. they exist because of modesty requirements and because of a commandment from the apostle St. Paul, who said it is a sin for a woman to go to Church without covering her hair. i have two, one is black and i wear it at funerals, the other one is white and looks a lot like that one. sometimes i just wear a handkercheif and tie it around my hair.

que Dios te bendiga

 

[Jayda]

i see no reason why ome people are still opposed to muslimahs choosing to wear the hijab. wearing the hijab does not make someone function less in a society. is there any special benefit for seeing a womans hair? i think the hijab is a symbol of modesty and every woman has the right to make a choice to wear hijab

salamu alaykum

i agree... i do not believe it is a sin or immodest for me or other women to show our hair, but i do not think it is weird, peculiar or should be illegal (which is absurd) for women to cover their hair publicly... a persons clothing choices should be their own, as long as they are reasonably modest.

 

[ummzayd]

i agree... i do not believe it is a sin or immodest for me or other women to show our hair.

from your previous post, I take it you DO believe it would be sin not to cover your hair in church?

and are you happy that the reason is not plain and simple modesty, but because unlike men, 'women are not made for the glory of God'? sorry but I always detested that scripture.

peace