Why so stress out?

ranma1/2 said:
we are talking about the difference between knowing and believing.

God being ALL KNOWING can not believe. He Knows.

You being the only human in the world may believe you are. But you cant know. Heck You cant know if your actually just a reallly sophisticted AI that is programmed to believe what it does "ala matrix"
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In Islam we Beleive and KNOW as Islam talks to both HEART (beleive) and MIND (KNOW)!

But athiest becuase they dont KNOW they dont BELEIVE!

May Allah (swt) guide us all!

Peace
 
tarek29 said:
Zeus is human made becuase they also felt deep inside them that there is creator but their minds couldnt realise the Greatness of Allah (swt) and that he is ONE!

and most probably they also had Prophet or Messenger who were send to them or their grand fathers by Allah (swt) and they made like all other Pagans sharers and names that they invented etc... !

This DEEP feeling is our nature that we are bron with, nature that says that there is Creator and that HE is ONE and beleiving in that this means in one word:

I S L A M

Peace
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Why do you say this? its clear that zeus was a real god. You just refuse to accept the evidence. Alah was made by humans whose mind could not realize the greatness of zeus. " now only if we had evidence for either one we could back up these claims" I personally dont have this deep feeling you speak of. I guess Zeus left that part out when he made me.
 
ranma1/2 said:
Why do you say this? its clear that zeus was a real god. You just refuse to accept the evidence. Alah was made by humans whose mind could not realize the greatness of zeus. " now only if we had evidence for either one we could back up these claims" I personally dont have this deep feeling you speak of. I guess Zeus left that part out when he made me.
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Zues had also gods beside him, right !?

Allah (swt) send us HIS words through Prophets and Messangers.

for example Moses, Jesus and finaly Mohamed may peace be upon him, and to KNOW you should read the message, how can you KNOW when you didnt read and dont KNOW what we KNOW in Quran!?

Say those without knowledge: "Why speaketh not Allah unto us? or why cometh not unto us a Sign?" So said the people before them words of similar import. Their hearts are alike. We have indeed made clear the Signs unto any people who hold firmly to Faith (in their hearts). 2:118

You read the Cover of the book and if you read you dont understand what is written and what is in between the lines and you make claims, how come!?

May Allah (swt) guide us all!

Peace
 
tarek29 said:
Zues had also gods beside him, right !?

Allah (swt) send us HIS words through Prophets and Messangers.

for example Moses, Jesus and finaly Mohamed may peace be upon him, and to KNOW you should read the message, how can you KNOW when you didnt read and dont KNOW what we KNOW in Quran!?

Say those without knowledge: "Why speaketh not Allah unto us? or why cometh not unto us a Sign?" So said the people before them words of similar import. Their hearts are alike. We have indeed made clear the Signs unto any people who hold firmly to Faith (in their hearts). 2:118

You read the Cover of the book and if you read you dont understand what is written and what is in between the lines and you make claims, how come!?

May Allah (swt) guide us all!

Peace
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No, its only in some stories. But actually Zeus made everything. It was the demon Loki "who pretends to be a god" that spread the other false stories.

Thankfully I know in my heart what Zeus has told me. ;)
 
ranma1/2 said:
No, its only in some stories. But actually Zeus made everything. It was the demon Loki "who pretends to be a god" that spread the other false stories.

Thankfully I know in my heart what Zeus has told me. ;)
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let us take zeus as a god for a minute.

"zeus is a god, he exists, he created everything"
these are ur terms...

are u an athiest then?
 
ranma1/2 said:
No, its only in some stories. But actually Zeus made everything. It was the demon Loki "who pretends to be a god" that spread the other false stories.

Thankfully I know in my heart what Zeus has told me. ;)
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ranma1 we Know ALLAH (swt) by HEART and MIND, and athiests say they use their MIND, so why you dont use it and be serious this is all what I ask you!

there is no Zues now he is finished if he exsists he would make us know at least he would send us SIGNS or messages or anything but there is none!

the ONLY GOD and the ONE who send us all previous relevation is Allah (swt), so you have Allah's Message full with SIGNS that anyone can discover by himself and see if it is from humans or from CREATOR!

May Allah (swt) guide us all!

Peace
 
tarek29 said:
ranma1 we Know ALLAH (swt) by HEART and MIND, and athiests say they use their MIND, so why you dont use it and be serious this is all what I ask you!

there is no Zues now he is finished if he exsists he would make us know at least he would send us SIGNS or messages or anything but there is none!

the ONLY GOD and the ONE who send us all previous relevation is Allah (swt), so you have Allah's Message full with SIGNS that anyone can discover by himself and see if it is from humans or from CREATOR!

May Allah (swt) guide us all!

Peace
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we are speaking of belief (with evidence) belief (without evidence and knowledge and Knowing.

With these differences you can have several similar but very different meanings.

Many christians KNOW (as you put it ) that their religion is right and your is wrong, many Hindus, buddhists, bahai, Sahhinians, Muslims, Protestants, catholics, branch davidians,..etc... Know they are right and you are wrong.

But no one really Knows. They Believe (very sincerely). While it is nice that your feelings influences your belief, they are well known for deluding as well.

As for zeus, could you give evidence that he is finished? I personally believe all religions (100% of them) are human made. All gods are human made.
I have seen no evidence otherwise. What i am told by these religions. (especially christianity and islam) is that i have to believe to know, or i just havent looked enough ect...
 
ranma1/2 said:
lol, God doesnt believe in any gods. So he is an atheists.
He Knows he exists "so its not a belief" so hes not an agnostic "which doesnt know"
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Hii Ranma1/2...and hii all... its a fact that :peace: our physiological factors changing and aging and deteriorating each second...in that sense you can describe us an Atheists if we deny or refuse to accept the existence of God.

But God has no physiological factor....so you cannot call him an Atheist. It is only meant for creatures who has cognitive functioning to recall, to solve and differentiate .and able to think logically.than that is reasonable if you call an unbeliever an Atheist.:peace:
 
ranma1/2 said:
I disagree, and i always thought that the belief in invisible imaginary people belonged more to children. I find that many atheists "particularly adults" come ot their conclusion based on available evidence or lack of evidence on the gods part.
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I disagree. The belief in an agent to the dependant Universe made more scientific sense, than the imaginry idea that it came from nothing - surely. Their is no lack of evidence, it is due to the facts of science that you can conclude that an agent is required to the Universes existance - we name that agent God. You call it "Unknown". Atheists are indeed theists - but they just don't believe in religion, but talking technically of God, ofcourse they would accept it as science agrees with the unseen agent.
 
ranma1/2 said:
we are speaking of belief (with evidence) belief (without evidence and knowledge and Knowing.

With these differences you can have several similar but very different meanings.

Many christians KNOW (as you put it ) that their religion is right and your is wrong, many Hindus, buddhists, bahai, Sahhinians, Muslims, Protestants, catholics, branch davidians,..etc... Know they are right and you are wrong.

But no one really Knows. They Believe (very sincerely). While it is nice that your feelings influences your belief, they are well known for deluding as well.

As for zeus, could you give evidence that he is finished? I personally believe all religions (100% of them) are human made. All gods are human made.
I have seen no evidence otherwise. What i am told by these religions. (especially christianity and islam) is that i have to believe to know, or i just havent looked enough ect...
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Evidence, Proof already I gave you guide line to it when I said:

you have Allah's Message full with SIGNS that anyone can discover by himself and see if it is from humans or from CREATOR!
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To make it easy it is QURAN that contains all what previous prophets brought beside it gives us the final Testmant!

Same like Bible and torah that we have today you can TEST them if they were corrupted by hmans or not!

It is very simple, if you are honest in your search to the truth, then read, how you want to speak German Language without reading and learning from teachers and instructors this or that Language!?

It is exsactly same!

May Allah (swt) guide us all!

Peace
 
Aaron85 said:
Radical atheists are as dangerous as radical believers.
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Radical atheist is also a misnomer.

Atheist being a negation of something holds no sort of ideology or goals intrinsically.

To believe atheism is superior is to draw from an ideology that may incorporate atheism, but isnt atheism itself.
 
Hii...All....

Everybody is unique, there is need to criticise about someone who does not believe in religion or God....they are smarter than you think...they just want fact and evidence..obviously we can see that is just our mind and the knowledge we received...it all on facts...if we are good Muslims we would not criticise nor make fun of anyone's opinion...who knows this denial could be a better Muslim than any other Muslim...its only God to open up an individual mind.We do not know our ending yet...is too early...no need to be arrogant..

The knowledge is still not enough..... our knowledge/ our failures, as we fail to pass our interepretations or his/her mindset is not open up yet....When Allah says Kun faya Kun Be and it is....

One thing is a fact that we can call someone who do not believe in God an unbeliever or Atheist because we have cognitive functioning and physiological factors...is only human....

But God cannot be described as human....we need the human physiological factors to determine what knowledge we received, who we are. our understanding...how we been brought up, the environmental factor...and the socioeconomic situations...to produce Atheistism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, Mormons, Jews...etc...

God is universal lah....:peace:
 
Salaam,

oh please, explain me what you understand under 'cognitive functions' in relation to God believers and Atheists?

Definition of 'Cognition':

Cognition is a diffuse term, used in different ways by different disciplines. In psychology, it refers to an information processing view of an individual's psychological functions. Other interpretations of the meaning of cognition link it to the development of concepts; individual minds, groups, organizations, and even larger coalitions of entities, can be modelled as societies which cooperate to form concepts. The autonomous elements of each 'society' would have the opportunity to demonstrate emergent behavior in the face of some crisis or opportunity. Cognition can also be interpreted as "understanding and trying to make sense of the world".
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Now I would be curious to understand, why God-Believers have such 'cognitive functions' and 'by-muslim-called' unbelievers not?

Cognitive functions f.ex. are 'control of heartbeat', body-temperature, breathing, instinct, etc....

Where is here the relation ?

Peace
 
Dear All.....

Hii....first of all thank you for your sincerety and frankness in asking me....I am still learning from all of you.:)

Yes, I did mentioned that we all have physiological factors of course when I said that I meant for Muslims and non Muslims, we are all human ....we need each other and to build bridges among us is very noble ....

So, does cognitive functioning...is like the human brain has activities like networking when the transmitter is transmit to different functions of the human bioloigical system.

But I am sorry I do not quite understand you when you said diffuse in different discipline...There is only one which is the study of Behaviour science and Social Science. Both have the same field which you described.

Cognition refers to the mental processes that transform sensory input, store in memory and retrieve it for later use. Therefore, people can think, plan and make decisions on remembered information.

Therefore....as you described Development of Concept is vital in various organisations, in various Government Boards, Institutions etc...to improvise, solving any crisis, resolving and findings to solutions etc...

Both Muslims and non Muslims or non believers are the same....God created us without any discriminations...we have the same physiological factors.

But still it depends on our psychosocio economic and environmental factor. It can be change from time to time...I mean the human development concept....:peace:





guyabano said:
Salaam,

oh please, explain me what you understand under 'cognitive functions' in relation to God believers and Atheists?

Definition of 'Cognition':



Now I would be curious to understand, why God-Believers have such 'cognitive functions' and 'by-muslim-called' unbelievers not?

Cognitive functions f.ex. are 'control of heartbeat', body-temperature, breathing, instinct, etc....

Where is here the relation ?

Peace
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Greetings,
Aaron85 said:
Radical atheists are as dangerous as radical believers.
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They're not quite as numerous though, are they?

In fact, could you give an example of someone behaving dangerously because of their atheism?

Peace
 
czgibson said:
Greetings,


They're not quite as numerous though, are they?

In fact, could you give an example of someone behaving dangerously because of their atheism?

Peace
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Hii....all....

Its hot, creamy, not so sweet, yellowish, orangy, creamy cream cheese like baking kek lapis....the right colour, the right hands, the right receipe, the right balancing factor in the recipe ...within..life and personality its like that. When we understand, we have the knowledge, we know what our objectives in life, our interactions with the world and other beings or creature is smooth and creamy like cake lapis...cream cheese.
just do not be judgemental ...open your mind...nobody is perfect...if all Muslims are perfect..and they receive the right stimulus from their cognitive power...there is no terrorism and violence in Muslims family.

So, does for whom that not believe in religion at all, They too, have values in life...nobody is perfect...everybody is prone to be violence...if there is no value or self restraint. Thats including you and me. Thank you.:sunny:
 
Greetings,
I_notGenerous said:
Hii....all....

Its hot, creamy, not so sweet, yellowish, orangy, creamy cream cheese like baking kek lapis....the right colour, the right hands, the right receipe, the right balancing factor in the recipe ...within..life and personality its like that. When we understand, we have the knowledge, we know what our objectives in life, our interactions with the world and other beings or creature is smooth and creamy like cake lapis...cream cheese.
just do not be judgemental ...open your mind...nobody is perfect...if all Muslims are perfect..and they receive the right stimulus from their cognitive power...there is no terrorism and violence in Muslims family.

So, does for whom that not believe in religion at all, They too, have values in life...nobody is perfect...everybody is prone to be violence...if there is no value or self restraint. Thats including you and me. Thank you.:sunny:
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Eh? You've totally lost me there.

Peace
 

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