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ahsan28 said:
The guy doesn't have any practical experience except that he was a famous cricketer and won the world cup for Pakistan :D People give him due importance, when he talks on cricket issues only.

The most sensitive issue for Pakistan is to deal with internal situation, which seems out of control. The tribals areas are posing biggest challange to the writ of the Govt and if not tackled prudently, the violence is bound to spread all over the country. Already Talibans are in control of many areas, where Govt is almost non-existent.
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yes, i agree completely - this is the biggest threat of all. it remains to be seen what will be done on this front. these people are a serious danger to pakistan - they are gradually spreading out of the northern areas. if it takes a state of emergency to accomplish this, i would be all for it.
 
Talha777 said:
The biggest threat to Pakistan is the western cultural invasion. I just found out that GEO TV is going to be airing the American film "The Ten Commandments", a movie which openly violates Pakistani law by portraying the beloved Prophet Moses (alaihi salam) in a highly deragatory manner (slanderously attributing to him an affair with an Egyptian woman).

This would have been intolerable only a decade ago, but slowly the religious heritage of Pakistan, a country found in the name of Islam, became independent on Lailatul Qadr (the most holy night), is being denied and destroyed. Musharraf's "Enlightened Moderation" is an American conspiracy to destroy the religious heritage of the nation.
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i don't really think the religious heritage of the nation is under threat.
president musharraf has allowed a proliferation of private media channels in pakistan, which brings the opportunity to watch all kinds of programming. altho pakistanis have been watching junky hindi films for years!
as for "the ten commandments", i think islam is stronger than any crappy movie, don't you?
 
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^^ i don't agree with you i think Tribal people know
how to defend their area
yes u can have an edge over air but on ground the will fight till the last blood

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snakelegs said:
i don't really think the religious heritage of the nation is under threat.
president musharraf has allowed a proliferation of private media channels in pakistan, which brings the opportunity to watch all kinds of programming. altho pakistanis have been watching junky hindi films for years!
as for "the ten commandments", i think islam is stronger than any crappy movie, don't you?
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It's true Pakistanis have been enthralled by bollywood for decades, but in the old days it was mostly super-rich westernized families and women of loose charachter who patronized the music and film industries. Today western and hindu entertainment culture is mainstream, and Islam is on the sidelines. Also, bollywood wasn't always as outright decadent and disgusting as it is today.

If Islam is stronger in Pakistan than western culture, than a purely blasphemous film like the ten commandments, which slanders the Prophet Moses (alaihi salaam) in the worst possible way, and which depicts many other things which are highly provocative and hurt the religious sensibilities of each and every self-respecting Muslim would never be allowed to be screened on national television. But my point is Islam is under threat and western decadent culture is on the rise, and this example underscores my point. But there are so many other examples, Pakistan today would be virtually unrecognizable to its pioneer generation.
 
Talha777 said:
It's true Pakistanis have been enthralled by bollywood for decades, but in the old days it was mostly super-rich westernized families and women of loose charachter who patronized the music and film industries. Today western and hindu entertainment culture is mainstream, and Islam is on the sidelines. Also, bollywood wasn't always as outright decadent and disgusting as it is today.

If Islam is stronger in Pakistan than western culture, than a purely blasphemous film like the ten commandments, which slanders the Prophet Moses (alaihi salaam) in the worst possible way, and which depicts many other things which are highly provocative and hurt the religious sensibilities of each and every self-respecting Muslim would never be allowed to be screened on national television. But my point is Islam is under threat and western decadent culture is on the rise, and this example underscores my point. But there are so many other examples, Pakistan today would be virtually unrecognizable to its pioneer generation.
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i understand your point. but there really is no avoiding western culture anymore, anywhere. i understand why this makes people angry, but it is a fact - it is pervasive. strength does not come from having your government protect you from it, but from having enough iman to be untouched.
 
wkas said:
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^^ i don't agree with you i think Tribal people know
how to defend their area
yes u can have an edge over air but on ground the will fight till the last blood
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So you don't see the possibility of foreign elements in the tribal areas? like Uzbeks, Chechans and Afghans?

The element of air is not so effective, when the fights are taking place around populated areas, unless you seriously consider turning them into rubble.
 
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Talha777 said:
It's true Pakistanis have been enthralled by bollywood for decades, but in the old days it was mostly super-rich westernized families and women of loose charachter who patronized the music and film industries. Today western and hindu entertainment culture is mainstream, and Islam is on the sidelines. Also, bollywood wasn't always as outright decadent and disgusting as it is today.

If Islam is stronger in Pakistan than western culture, than a purely blasphemous film like the ten commandments, which slanders the Prophet Moses (alaihi salaam) in the worst possible way, and which depicts many other things which are highly provocative and hurt the religious sensibilities of each and every self-respecting Muslim would never be allowed to be screened on national television. But my point is Islam is under threat and western decadent culture is on the rise, and this example underscores my point. But there are so many other examples, Pakistan today would be virtually unrecognizable to its pioneer generation.
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Islam is stronger in Pakistan yes but most of the Pakistanis aren't aware of the films propaganda like the latest Pakistani film "Khuda Kay Liya" in this film it is shown that music is halal regard to this it an Alim is shown who says that Hazarat Dawud (Alahi salam ) used music instrument when reciting the Holy Book and it is said in the Quran and Hadith as will
Now if u read Quran and Hadith it was not music it was his recitation and that was because Allah gave him good voice
now this kind of small thing are there Ulma have said fatwas against this film and there was a case was also filed against this film but after emergency Allah knows what will happen

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ahsan28 said:
So you don't see the possibility of foreign elements in the tribal areas? like Uzbeks, Chechans and Afghans?
The element of air is not so effective, when the fights are taking place around populated areas, unless you seriously consider turning them into rubble.
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Brother you have to understand certain things, without any proof i can say yes may be for uzbeks and chechans but for Afghans
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yes populated areas there but in swat it is difficult as most of the area is green and trees are the best shelter for them
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wkas said:
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Brother you have to understand certain things, without any proof i can say yes may be for uzbeks and chechans but for Afghans
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yes populated areas there but in swat it is difficult as most of the area is green and trees are the best shelter for them
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The insurgents or you may call freedom fighters always remain in the proximity of populated areas, so they can feed themselves, secondly they don't want to expose themselves by separating from non-combatants and present an easy target. Fighting in built up areas is one of the most difficult operations and becomes even worst, when the insurgents enjoy popular support. You can't differentiate between friend and a foe. In such situation, you have only two options:-

1. Don't worry about collateral damage and launch clean up operation with full force.

2. Surrender to insurgent's demands.


Which option do you recommend for Pakistan?
 
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^^ Both options are ridiculous in my opinion
and i think you haven't understand my point
before Freedom Fighters
and
now Insurgents or Terrorist

the problem is this kind of double policies
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ahsan28 said:
So you don't see the possibility of foreign elements in the tribal areas? like Uzbeks, Chechans and Afghans?

The element of air is not so effective, when the fights are taking place around populated areas, unless you seriously consider turning them into rubble.
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there are foreigners in the area - that doesn't seem to be disputed.
 
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