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[ahsan28]

what makes you think he would hesitate to drop daisy cutters on pakistanis like he did on the afghans?

Majority of Pakistanis want their country to say bye to the US, knowing well about repercussions. They say if the US couldn't attack Iran being a non-nuclear state, how dare,they could ever think of attacking Pakistan, except giving green signal to the Indians to mobilise their forces, as they did after 9/11

People of Pakistan don't want insurgency or civil war, in their views going against US aspirations is far better than killing each other.

 

[wilberhum]

Majority of Pakistanis want their country to say bye to the US, knowing well about repercussions. They say if the US couldn't attack Iran being a non-nuclear state, how dare,they could ever think of attacking Pakistan, except giving green signal to the Indians to mobilise their forces, as they did after 9/11

People of Pakistan don't want insurgency or civil war, in their views going against US aspirations is far better than killing each other.

So why are they killing each other?

 

[ahsan28]

So why are they killing each other?

It was dictated by the dictator, who doesn't want to leave his chair and finds refuge by showing his willingness to pursue for the US goals in the region. But I think, winds of change are visible. People are getting wiser over the existing realities

 

[wilberhum]

It was dictated by the dictator, who doesn't want to leave his chair and finds refuge by showing his willingness to pursue for the US goals in the region. But I think, winds of change are visible. People are getting wiser over the existing realities

dictated by the dictator :skeleton: So Musharraf said Go behead my solders and blow yourself up in crouds. Right.

I guess you have a unique view of current events. :skeleton:

 

[snakelegs]

Majority of Pakistanis want their country to say bye to the US, knowing well about repercussions. They say if the US couldn't attack Iran being a non-nuclear state, how dare,they could ever think of attacking Pakistan, except giving green signal to the Indians to mobilise their forces, as they did after 9/11

People of Pakistan don't want insurgency or civil war, in their views going against US aspirations is far better than killing each other.

you have more faith in the sanity of this administration than i do. it is madness to even think about attacking iran, yet it certainly looks like it might happen. it looks like the lead-up to iraq all over again.
personally, i don't doubt that the u.s. would bat at eyelash at "bombing pakistan back in to the stone age". i think pakistan's options are pretty limited. whether i am right or you are, who is to say?
and everything the u.s. does, makes everything worse and worse.
yes, majority of pakistanis want their country to say bye to u.s. and i don't blame them. also, i'm sure they would rather go against the u.s. than against themselves. however i don't think they really want a bunch of mad mullahs taking over the country either. but of course, nobody, not u.s. and not the pakistani government cares what the average pakistani wants.
btw, do you realise that pak has withdrawn some 30.000 troops from the indian border?

 

[ahsan28]

dictated by the dictator :skeleton: So Musharraf said Go behead my solders and blow yourself up in crouds. Right.

The forces were sent much earlier and operations started much before than the retaliations in whatever form, we are witnessing now-a-days.

 

[ahsan28]

yes, majority of pakistanis want their country to say bye to u.s. and i don't blame them. also, i'm sure they would rather go against the u.s. than against themselves. however i don't think they really want a bunch of mad mullahs taking over the country either. but of course, nobody, not u.s. and not the pakistani government cares what the average pakistani wants.

Pakistan as a nation needs to determine a course/path for itself. Direction comes from a visionary or a set of visionaries. To quote Seneca: "To the person who does not know where he wants to go, there is no favourable wind." Same applies for a country. Only an optimistic vision that stands a chance to turn into something tangible and real can bring the people together and unite them.

In the words of Antoine de Saint -Exupery:

"If you want to build a ship, don’t herd people together to collect wood and don’t assign them tasks and work, rather teach them to long for the endless immensity of the sea."

The dictators of pakistan have been asking the people to collect wood only and unfortunately same methodology is being followed by their current master

 

[snakelegs]

Pakistan as a nation needs to determine a course/path for itself. Direction comes from a visionary or a set of visionaries. To quote Seneca: "To the person who does not know where he wants to go, there is no favourable wind." Same applies for a country. Only an optimistic vision that stands a chance to turn into something tangible and real can bring the people together and unite them.

In the words of Antoine de Saint -Exupery:

"If you want to build a ship, don’t herd people together to collect wood and don’t assign them tasks and work, rather teach them to long for the endless immensity of the sea."

The dictators of pakistan have been asking the people to collect wood only and unfortunately same methodology is being followed by their current master

well said!

 

[Tania]

Under Musharraf the economy grew up :? Did he help the people to live better :? (improved their life conditions or not)

 

[wilberhum]

Under Musharraf the economy grew up :? Did he help the people to live better :? (improved their life conditions or not)

I think you make valid points.
I think people who say Musharraf is all bad are the same people who think coins are one sided. :skeleton:

 

[Re.TiReD]

Whats happening to the country I once loved so much? what do they mean by the state of emergency? whats happening?

 

[ahsan28]

I think people who say Musharraf is all bad are the same people who think coins are one sided. :skeleton:

Christina Lamb in her book" Waiting for Allah" wrote that " Pakistan has gone from a nation searching for a country to a country searching for the nation".

Musharraf has worked hard to prove it

 

[Amadeus85]

I read somehwere that mahority of Pakistanis want full sharia law in their country, so i think that it would be best for this country.I dont know if this worked or not, but at least they couldnt blame anyone for their failures.

 

[wilberhum]

I read somehwere that mahority of Pakistanis want full sharia law in their country, so i think that it would be best for this country.I dont know if this worked or not, but at least they couldnt blame anyone for their failures.

Na, they would just say all problems are because Sharia was not properly implemented and it is the fault of the West. :muddlehea

 

[snakelegs]

Pakistan emergency 'aiding Taliban'

Taliban fighters now control around 70 per
cent of the Swat Valley [Al Jazeera]


Taliban fighters are tightening their grip in areas in the north-west of Pakistan as a result of the country's state of emergency, officials in the Swat valley have said.

Pro-Taliban fighters have advanced in recent days and government officials say they now control as much as 70 per cent of the valley, just a few hours' drive from Islamabad.

James Bays, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Islamabad, said: "They claim that the government has been distracted with all its efforts directed at arresting human rights activists, politicians and lawyers."

The rising violence close to the border with Afghanistan was one justification for the current emergency declared by General Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan's president.

'Protection' offer


The Taliban are said to have taken control of public buildings, including

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police stations.

Mawlana Mohammed Alem, a local Taliban leader told Al Jazeera: "We wish to provide security to the public, who can no longer tolerate the unjust prejudicial acts of the police.

"We wish to provide protection under the Islamic Sharia law.

"Banks face trouble transporting money, we are prepared to provide them with protection," he said.

Local residents say heavy-handed police tactics are one of the reasons Taliban support is growing.

"The police here commit atrocities against the residents and the law provides protection only for senior officers," one man told Al Jazeera.

"Taliban supporters have not caused us any harm; our electricity was cut and they managed to restore it in one hour," another said.

People 'terrorised'

There are also reports that as the Taliban spread out from their traditional stronghold on the Afghan border, they are shutting girls' schools and setting fire to shops selling Western music in Swat.

Imitaz Gul, a political analyst in Islamabad, told Al Jazeera: "We have been getting calls from a number of people who are complaining about how these Taliban have terrorised them, despite the presence of the police and army.

"So the question is: Where is the state?"

for the rest of the article go here:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/C341BB4A-EC10-4CB8-A79A-F563467C05C0.htm

 

[Muezzin]

Na, they would just say all problems are because Sharia was not properly implemented

Yes.

and it is the fault of the West. :muddlehea

No.

 

[Amadeus85]

Its suprising that so far no one noticed that nowadays situation in Pakistan reminds the situation in Iran under shach Reza Pahlavi. Here and there you have two dictators supported by USA (although that Reza was much more bloody and criminal than Musharraf) and on the other hand we see the growing religious movement that wants to fight the dictator.

 

[wilberhum]

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/713655C5-CB9A-4321-8CE3-8315A53C3F52.htm

Pakistanis die in sectarian clashes

At least 30 people have been killed and more than 100 wounded in sectarian clashes between Sunni and Shia Muslims in a Pakistani tribal region near the Afghan border, officials say.

Clashes broke out on Friday in Parachinar, the main town in Pakistan's northern Kurram tribal region.

Haneef Jan, head of Kurram tribal agency hospital in Parachinar, said: "Nineteen bodies have been brought from different areas while a woman died of wounds at the hospital.

"More than 100 people are also being treated mainly for bullet wounds, of which some 10 to 12 are critically injured."

Mohammed Nadeem, a local police official, said fighting escalated after clashes began when armed men opened fire on a Sunni mosque.

Abdul Ghafoor, a local Sunni leader, confirmed the police chief's reports saying that Shias had initiated the violence by opening fire at their mosque.

"They [Shia men] have killed dozens of our people," he said.

But Abid Hussain, a leader for Parachinar's Shia community, accused Sunni fighters from nearby towns of starting the violence by firing rockets at their homes and mosques.

"We are only defending ourselves," he said.

Hussain said that dozens from his community had been killed.

Officials in the semi-autonomous tribal region said at least 10 bodies were handed over to their relatives in the Alizai area of the town.

Witnesses said the fighters used heavy weapons including mortars and rocket launchers.

A curfew had been imposed in troubled parts of the town, but reports have suggested that fighting is still taking place.

Most of the ethnic Pashtun tribesmen in Kurram are Shia, although most Pashtuns are Sunni, and in April, about 40 people were killed in the region in an outbreak of sectarian violence.

Pakistan's Shias account for about 15 per cent of the country's 160 million people.

 

[al-muslimah]

Razak Bughti , the governments speaker for Baluchistan has been shot dead in his car.

If true he deserved it.Traitors(mussharrafs gov)now he is a real coward.

 

[snakelegs]

not all news from pakistan is bad:

A new beginning
The opening of girls' section in Peshawar's historic Islamia College in the face of threat by extremists is no mean achievement

By Asad Jan

When NWFP Governor Lieutenant General (r) Ali Muhammad Jan Aurakzai first announced the setting up of a girls' section in the historic Islamia College, Peshawar, it created a lot of stir. Those opposed to the project even threatened to blow it up in a suicide bombing, as they believed that it was the first step towards introducing co-education in one of the oldest educational institutions of the province.

A few days before the inauguration of the girls' section by the NWFP governor, it was demonstrated that this threat was not a mere hoax. However, the determined government did not pay heed to it and set up a committee to make the necessary arrangement for the opening of the girls' section on October 22.

"We did feel a bit worried when we heard about the threat to our section, but we did not care as we enjoy the support of our families," a student of the newly established girls' section told The News on Sunday. They also dispelled the impression that the provincial government planned to convert Islamia College into a co-educational institution. "We have a separate building in the college," said another student, adding: "We are determined to work hard to pave way for girls to study in other male-dominated institutions too."

for the rest of the article, go here:
http://jang.com.pk/thenews/nov2007-weekly/nos-18-11-2007/pol1.htm#7