"against terrorism"

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al-muslimah said:
" I suppose you intended the Muslim members to respond, but I can sum up my opposition to terrorism quite simply.

Any person or group that engages in the intentional murder of civilians as a political strategy are terrorists. This is the IRA, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, ETA, Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, etc. "

wrong explanation what would you know about terrorism your president is the biggest terrorist in the world second to the zoinist jews ion palestine.
I support the mujahideen not terrorists like Bush Mujahideen like Hamas and At-Taliban.Big difference. Maybe you guys should learn terrorism from the right siurces then come back and debate.there is no point.
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Yes. There you have it. The ultimate incisive comment on terrorism. There can be no rejoinder. One must simply, read, ponder and learn. Here is the fountainhead of knowledge on terrorism. Gather the young ones around and bid them be still. They must show proper respect.
 
Chechnya said:
well im sure leaving car bombs in crowded civlian areas was just a mistake then - since civlians werent their main targets :muddlehea



nor have they ever defeated an ex-superpower, so the list of what the IRA havent done would be quite long :rolleyes:

oh and they apologised for the school seige so its ok!
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I hope some day the USA will apologise for Iraq. Then it will be OK. :skeleton:
 
Jayda said:
hola,

i've read a number of interesting threads recently, i am curious what members of the forum think being 'against terrorism' means... whether they say they personally are against it or islam is against it, what do they mean by this? i am confused because i see threads about hamas and the taliban which demonstrate either denial or support.

que Dios te bendiga
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hola

in light of some of the recent comments that groups like hamas or the taliban either 1. do not kill civilians except by accident or 2. do not kill them at all, based on the proposition the media always lies i am drawn back to my original question... which included denial. without going too much in depth, let's just proceed that the idea the media would lie to such an extent all muslim terrorist groups everywhere are 'set up' is patently absurd.

that leads be to the question... what good is a person if they support terrorism but simply do not want the label of a supporter? how are they helping the problem?

que Dios te bendiga
 
wilberhum said:
I hope some day the USA will apologise for Iraq. Then it will be OK. :skeleton:
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That's not enough. Over a million are displaced and forced into refuge in other nations, over 50,000 women have been forced to prostitution/adult clubs to earn a living.

US must apologize and pay iraq billions of dollars every year in damages, like germany does for jews. Over a million killed is a holocaust.

It's soldiers and leaders from president to lowest administration member must be turned over for war crimes.

that's just a start...
 
hola,

i do not know what the united states should or could do to make up for what has happened in iraq. the death toll is catastrophic... by some estimates over 1,000,000 people as a result of the chaos. saddam hussein was a very bad man who needed to stop what he was doing, but this is much worse.

i think the most important thing is to do something to prevent this from ever happening again in the future.

que Dios te bendiga
 
Jayda said:
hola,

i do not know what the united states should or could do to make up for what has happened in iraq. the death toll is catastrophic... by some estimates over 1,000,000 people as a result of the chaos. saddam hussein was a very bad man who needed to stop what he was doing, but this is much worse.

i think the most important thing is to do something to prevent this from ever happening again in the future.

que Dios te bendiga
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Saddam supposedly killed 250,000 in 20yrs, and Bush killed over a million in 5years. Who do you think is the worst dictator and murderer? How come we don't see anyone waging war on US to remove this dictator for same reasons he wanted to remove saddam? This isn't a war on terrorism, its war OF terrorism.

It's all for oil, nothing more and nothing less. Saddam couldn't be handled and controlled like other arab leaders so he had to go down.
 
islamirama said:
Saddam supposedly killed 250,000 in 20yrs, and Bush killed over a million in 5years. Who do you think is the worst dictator and murderer? How come we don't see anyone waging war on US to remove this dictator for same reasons he wanted to remove saddam? This isn't a war on terrorism, its war OF terrorism.

It's all for oil, nothing more and nothing less. Saddam couldn't be handled and controlled like other arab leaders so he had to go down.
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hola

i think when you talk about so many people dying it does not matter how many zeros there are... i see both examples as perpetuating evil. i do not at all disagree with you that the war against terrorism is terrorism and i am inclined to agree about oil, although i do not know very much about it nor do i care about the oil issue.

as i wrote somewhere else, when the president said that he was initiating a war against terrorism i thought it was a very noble idea. i thought, it would be like the war on poverty, not a military conflict but rather a change in perceptions, policies and support for peaceful initiatives across the globe and to increase the standard of living for people. instead this meant indiscriminantly bombing people in countries with loose ties to the september 11th attacks.

i do not see how violence justifies itself...

que Dios te bendiga
 
Jayda said:
the number is over 1,000,000. it was an ORB survey. i do not revel in this and i am not fabricating anything.
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Yeah right. A non-randomized phone poll of Iraqis "publsihed" by an organization with a clear agenda??? :D:D

4 1/2 years * 365 d =(ca) 1642 days

1,000,000/1642 = 610 per day for every day of the war
 I challenge you to find one single day for the entire war when media reports even approximate that figure.


Here is the figure estimate by Iraq Body Count (an antiwar site) 77,300 - 84,200 That seems a rather large discrepancy to me. Are your foundations cracking yet?

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

check out their methodology
 
ORB is a professional polling company... like gallup... they don't have an agenda and they are professionals in what they do. i don't think i would trust www.iraqbodycount.org if i were you, they clearly aren't professionals and as you say they have an agenda. at columbia we had a very simple rule about trusting the internet 'if you wouldn't use that source in an essay, don't use it at all.'
 
Jayda said:
ORB is a professional polling company... like gallup... they don't have an agenda and they are professionals in what they do. i don't think i would trust www.iraqbodycount.org if i were you, they clearly aren't professionals and as you say they have an agenda. at columbia we had a very simple rule about trusting the internet 'if you wouldn't use that source in an essay, don't use it at all.'
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Here is the preamble to the study from their own site:

"in the week in which General Patraeus reports back to US Congress on the impact the recent ‘surge’ is having in Iraq, a new poll reveals that more than 1,000,000 Iraqi citizens have been murdered since the invasion took place in 2003."

You tell me if there is a political agenda. Here is part of the small print from their "study" ....for security reasons Karbala and Al Anbar were not included. Irbil was excluded as the authorities refused our field team a permit.
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I ask you again...cite one day of media reports where the figure is higher than the average losses for every single day that necessarily flows from your figure.

Iraq Body Count does have an agenda....it is an atiwar agenda. They attempt to estimate non-combatant losses from media reports. At some point you have to ask yourself why the ORB "study" is 1,300% higher than media reports. BTW this includes media reports from unsympathetic sources in Iraq.

If you had a business (I know this is a stretch, but stay with me) and one of your employees turned in a time card with 520 hrs (40 x 1,300%) in a single week would you stop and scratch your head or just pay him?
 
islamirama said:
That's not enough. Over a million are displaced and forced into refuge in other nations, over 50,000 women have been forced to prostitution/adult clubs to earn a living.

US must apologize and pay iraq billions of dollars every year in damages, like germany does for jews. Over a million killed is a holocaust.

It's soldiers and leaders from president to lowest administration member must be turned over for war crimes.

that's just a start...
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Of course an apology doesn't make it ok.
Only a really stupid person wound. :hiding:
Like the person that thought an apology makes killing children OK.

But then someone like you comes along with no understanding of what is being said.
The only thing you saw was an opportunity to mock someone because they don't agree with your bias.

And as usual, the hatred of your country, has caused you to make a fool of your self.
 
Cognescenti said:
Here is the preamble to the study from their own site:

"in the week in which General Patraeus reports back to US Congress on the impact the recent ‘surge’ is having in Iraq, a new poll reveals that more than 1,000,000 Iraqi citizens have been murdered since the invasion took place in 2003."
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where are you getting an agenda out of this?
 
Cognescenti said:
Yeah right. A non-randomized phone poll of Iraqis "publsihed" by an organization with a clear agenda??? :D:D

4 1/2 years * 365 d =(ca) 1642 days

1,000,000/1642 = 610 per day for every day of the war
 I challenge you to find one single day for the entire war when media reports even approximate that figure.


Here is the figure estimate by Iraq Body Count (an antiwar site) 77,300 - 84,200 That seems a rather large discrepancy to me. Are your foundations cracking yet?

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

check out their methodology
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Just last year it was confirmed and on all US media news that 665,000 iraqi civilians are died as a direct result of the troops. And you come up with your magic numbers like that? Don't give us your lies, you won't fool anyone here.
 
islamirama said:
Just last year it was confirmed and on all US media news that 665,000 iraqi civilians are died as a direct result of the troops. And you come up with your magic numbers like that? Don't give us your lies, you won't fool anyone here.
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But the US news is Kefir News and can't be trusted.

Do you have a Reliable source? Like Youtube. ;D;D;D;D;D;D;D
 
Jayda said:
hola,

i've read a number of interesting threads recently, i am curious what members of the forum think being 'against terrorism' means... whether they say they personally are against it or islam is against it, what do they mean by this? i am confused because i see threads about hamas and the taliban which demonstrate either denial or support.

que Dios te bendiga
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Islam is against terrorism. They are others commiting terrorism such as zionist state and its allies. The zionist media is example of idiotcracy propaganda; which means brainwashing with fairy tale lies.
 

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