Was Islam spread by SWORD?

[NYCmuslim]

I think our point made on this matter why did you dig this thread back up from a year ago???

 

[جوري]

bump.. a gem of a thread...
would be nice to see the old crowd come back and breathe some life into the forum..but I suppose with the likes of our newbies 'Knute' et al. one would wonder come back for what?

 

[Abdul-Raouf]

I think our point made on this matter why did you dig this thread back up from a year ago???

Just added a new info..to the thread...which was related to the title..

 

[Ghira]

I, as a Bosnian and European, am proud of being a "product of Jihad", in the sense that I'm a Muslim today because Muslims conquered Bosnia. The Muslims conquered Bosnia and let the people stay Christians. However, a lot of the people in Bosnia became Muslims including my ancestors.
Islam started out with the Prophet salallahu 'alayhi wa sallam, Khadeejah, Abu Bakr, 'Ali may God be pleased with them, and spread all the way to Bosnia.
I'm very proud of this.

Muslims don't wage Jihad to get oil or because of racism like some did/still do.
Jihad is to make God's word supreme.

Enough said!!! End of discussion close the books.

:happy:

 

[guyabano]

Just added a new info..to the thread

What info ?

 

[barney]

the divine law has the right to remove the barriers and free people from enslavement to human beings[/B]…"

Fiqh al-Da’wah by Sayyid Qutb, 217-222

At the point of a Rifle?
Why does God need lots of little people with guns?
The divine law will surely assert itself when it wants to assert itself. If allah wished unbeleivers to die...he would say "Die" and it would be so.

 

[ranma1/2]

i find that many religions are partialy spread by force. Islam and christanity are both guilty of this. Both have also been spread by more peaceful means. Both have also been spread by indoctrinization as well.

 

[MadeenJibreel]

i find that many religions are partialy spread by force. Islam and christanity are both guilty of this. Both have also been spread by more peaceful means. Both have also been spread by indoctrinization as well.

I don't see no "findings" - prove what you "parrot" please.

 

[Jayda]

jewish myth?

 

[wilberhum]

I don't see no "findings" - prove what you "parrot" please.

Try Google. Look for yourself. No matter what anyone brings you will just deny the source.

But surly there must be varying definitions of "spread by SWORD".

I think if I have to choose between conversion or having my head cut off, I call that "spread by SWORD".

Also if the country I live in is conquered and I will receive many social/financial advantages if I convert, I conceder that "spread by SWORD".

So by my definition, I don’t see how any religion can say they, to some degree were not "spread by SWORD".

I also think it is obvious that most conversions are sincere and have nothing to do with the sword. But to say all 100% are sincere is to ignore the diversity of humanity.

 

[barney]

I'm happy to accept that some, heck...why not....even most of the lands conqured by Islam, simply accepted its truth and wisdom and lived happily ever after, until the hethen came and started ruining everything that was perfect.

I just know that if a Islamic Army rolled down the streets of pontefract right now, I would say pretty damm well whatever they wanted me to say.

 

[جوري]

^^^ that was deep and reflective...

eh..the fate of all grand things...another sublime thread ends up in foam..

 

[barney]

Cheers PA, thought you would like that.

Consider the thread wrapped.

All religions use "God" as an excuse to butcher anyone who thinks different.

And so. Thread Closed

(For entry into the Agnostic Club, simply give 25% of all your wealth to Paypal@barney. UK)

 

[جوري]

Cheers PA, thought you would like that.

did I give that impression? No I like heavy weights...

Consider the thread wrapped.

Never wrapped until I give the last punch

All religions use God as an excuse to butcher anyone who thinks different.

Eh start your own cult and get a slice of the pie

And so. Thread Closed

Nonsense!

(For entry into the Agnostic Club, simply give 25% of all your wealth to [email protected])

I think your cult deserves a partially eaten twinkie if at all...

cheers

 

[InToTheRain]

All religions use "God" as an excuse to butcher anyone who thinks different.

In Islam there is no compulsion, we can't kill people for "Thinking" differently oh:

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects Taghut (evil) and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trust worthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. " (Qur'an 2:256)

FYI:

[PIE]It is a common complaint among some non-Muslims that Islam would not have millions of adherents all over the world, if it had not been spread by the use of force. The following points will make it clear, that far from being spread by the sword, it was the inherent force of truth, reason and logic that was responsible for the rapid spread of Islam.
1. Islam means peace. Islam comes from the root word ‘salaam’, which means peace. It also means submitting one’s will to Allah (swt). Thus Islam is a religion of peace, which is acquired by submitting one’s will to the will of the Supreme Creator, Allah (swt).


2. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace. Each and every human being in this world is not in favour of maintaining peace and harmony. There are many, who would disrupt it for their own vested interests. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace. It is precisely for this reason that we have the police who use force against criminals and anti-social elements to maintain peace in the country. Islam promotes peace. At the same time, Islam exhorts it followers to fight where there is oppression. The fight against oppression may, at times, require the use of force. In Islam force can only be used to promote peace and justice.

3.Opinion of historian De Lacy O’Leary. The best reply to the misconception that Islam was spread by the sword is given by the noted historian De Lacy O’Leary in the book "Islam at the cross road" (Page 8): "History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated."


4. Muslims ruled Spain for 800 years. Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims in Spain never used the sword to force the people to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came to Spain and wiped out the Muslims. There was not a single Muslim in Spain who could openly give the adhan, that is the call for prayers.


5. 14 million Arabs are Coptic Christians. Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. For a few years the British ruled, and for a few years the French ruled. Overall, the Muslims ruled Arabia for 1400 years. Yet today, there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians i.e. Christians since generations. If the Muslims had used the sword there would not have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian.


6. More than 80% non-Muslims in India. The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. If they wanted, they had the power of converting each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India are non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness today that Islam was not spread by the sword.


7. Indonesia and Malaysia. Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. May one ask, "Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia?"


8. East Coast of Africa. Similarly, Islam has spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. One may again ask, if Islam was spread by the sword, "Which Muslim army went to the East Coast of Africa?"


9. Thomas Carlyle. The famous historian, Thomas Carlyle, in his book "Heroes and Hero worship", refers to this misconception about the spread of Islam: "The sword indeed, but where will you get your sword? Every new opinion, at its starting is precisely in a minority of one. In one man’s head alone. There it dwells as yet. One man alone of the whole world believes it, there is one man against all men. That he takes a sword and try to propagate with that, will do little for him. You must get your sword! On the whole, a thing will propagate itself as it can."


10. No compulsion in religion. With which sword was Islam spread? Even if Muslims had it they could not use it to spread Islam because the Qur’an says in the following verse: "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error" [Al-Qur’an 2:256] 11. Sword of the Intellect. It is the sword of intellect. The sword that conquers the hearts and minds of people. The Qur’an says in Surah Nahl, chapter 16 verse 125: "Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious." [Al-Qur’an 16:125]


12. Increase in the world religions from 1934 to 1984. An article in Reader’s Digest ‘Almanac’, year book 1986, gave the statistics of the increase of percentage of the major religions of the world in half a century from 1934 to 1984. This article also appeared in ‘The Plain Truth’ magazine. At the top was Islam, which increased by 235%, and Christianity had increased only by 47%. May one ask, which war took place in this century which converted millions of people to Islam?


13. Islam is the fastest growing religion in America and Europe. Today the fastest growing religion in America is Islam. The fastest growing religion in Europe in Islam. Which sword is forcing people in the West to accept Islam in such large numbers?


14. Dr. Joseph Adam Pearson. Dr. Joseph Adam Pearson rightly says, "People who worry that nuclear weaponry will one day fall in the hands of the Arabs, fail to realize that the Islamic bomb has been dropped already, it fell the day MUHAMMED (pbuh) was born".
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[al-muslimah]

Islam coming from the root word salam--peace, has nothing to do with Islam this is the way a moderate defines islam. Islam means submission to the will of Allah.

Islam was in a way spread by jihad which they mean by the sword but the people weren't forced to become muslims by the sword but where conquered in this way by means of dawah and jihad.Jihad is a fard. Fard kifaya to be exact ( colloective duty) but today it has become a fard ayn( individual duty).
First jihad then they have three choices the(kuffar)
1. acept islam, then they are good to go and are given the book of Allah to rule with
2. if they refuse to accept Islam after dawah then they have to pay jizya( tax money non muslims pay to the islamic state)
3. if they refuse that then we seek Allah help and fight them till victory or martyrdom.
----from sahih hadith in sahih bukhari

 

[barney]

First jihad then they have three choices the(kuffar)
1. acept islam, then they are good to go and are given the book of Allah to rule with
2. if they refuse to accept Islam after dawah then they have to pay jizya( tax money non muslims pay to the islamic state)
3. if they refuse that then we seek Allah help and fight them till victory or martyrdom.
----from sahih hadith in sahih bukhari

So War: then after conquoring:
1 Accept
2. Submit
3. Die

Most muslims try and dress this up a little y'know?

 

[InToTheRain]

So War: then after conquoring:
1 Accept
2. Submit
3. Die

I fail to see how these conditions only apply to Islam. In UK I either accept the lifestyle of all around me if not at least I submit to it's laws and regulations and people that are a threat to the nations security killed.

 

[wilberhum]

I fail to see how these conditions only apply to Islam. In UK I either accept the lifestyle of all around me if not at least I submit to it's laws and regulations and people that are a threat to the nations security killed.

How in the world did you ever come to the conclusion that "spread by SWORD" only apply to Islam?

The whole thing is about the fact, reguardless of constant denial", that to some degree Islam was "spread by SWORD".

 

[barney]

I fail to see how these conditions only apply to Islam. In UK I either accept the lifestyle of all around me if not at least I submit to it's laws and regulations and people that are a threat to the nations security killed.

In the UK , you havnt been Conquered, Indeed, you may well have come HERE from abroad or at least parents or Grandparents did.
You dont have to submit, you can pray freely at no extra cost ,wear what you want, beleive what you want, get a job without restrictions and generally not submit. Indeed the country changes and submits to accommadate other beleifs.
And lastly Die: So if your a muslim who dosnt submit to UK laws, your killed?
OK, name me one Muslim in the UK who died in this way, apart from those who died whilst defying the UK law that you shouldnt go about blowing people to bits, and they dont count because they were not killed by the state , but by themselves in the act of mass murder.

So on all three counts, you havnt a leg to stand on. Just bluster.