"against terrorism"

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wilberhum said:
I hope some day the USA will apologise for Iraq. Then it will be OK. :skeleton:
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How can it be ok? Can a apology change the lives of all the poor ppl? Can it bring back the loved ones? Can it change the miserable wreck it caused?

Cognescenti said:
Wow. Somebody needs some serious couch time (in a psychoanalytic sense, I mean). I would suggest you stop looking to the West to explain every problem you encounter.
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What your point man? I'm not looking at the west media at all unlike some others. I get my info from authentic Islamic papers and sites.
 
Hashim_507 said:
Muslim control medias are being discriminated.
Please explain what you mean.
You can disagreed with me as much you wish.
Don't know, your statement has no clearity.The truth is middle east peace is no way will happen as long israel exist.
Of course there will never be peace as long as Palestine exists.
Your not living in realty; you never realise all those wars in the middle east was design to be that way.
And who "designed" these wars and why do they exist where ever there is a large Muslim population.
As for this topic; 9-11 was inside job and all those terror attacks are all zionist opiration.
Further proof that I am right when I say "Humans are capable of believing anything".
Your seeing the media lies which is common in every major zionist control.
And you say I'm not living in reality. Wow
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Gee every international news source in the world disagrees with you. :-\

Where did they go wrong. Da.
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Sabeeha said:
How can it be ok? Can a apology change the lives of all the poor ppl? Can it bring back the loved ones? Can it change the miserable wreck it caused?
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Man, I can't beleve how many here have no sence of Sarcasm.

Only the village idot would believe that and I live in a big city. :-\
 
Hashim_507 said:
Muslim control medias are being discriminated. You can disagreed with me as much you wish. The truth is middle east peace is no way will happen as long israel exist. Your not living in realty; you never realise all those wars in the middle east was design to be that way. As for this topic; 9-11 was inside job and all those terror attacks are all zionist opiration. Your seeing the media lies which is common in every major zionist control.
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You're right, its all the fault of them pesky Jews. Actually, did you know a group of jews went back in time and sunk the titatic as well? The zionist media is trying to hide this evidence from you! But it must be revealed! http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=af07
 
I think people need to seperate between State-terrorism, and regular terrorism.

There are two very different motives both each. One to create stability (w/e that means) and the other political instability.

Terrorism itself is not unique to islam, nor are muslims the only ones to glorify terrorism. Sons of liberty are heralded as heros, El Che, Mr. Brown, Suffrugettes(sp?) all qualify as terrorists int hat they tried to create instability through deliberate violence/damage to people or property.

Now if these groups/ppl are better or worse than their Islamist counterparts, Ill leave that normative decision to you
 
wilberhum said:
Islam may be against terrorism but millions of Muslims support it.
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I don't blame them. Plenty of muslims are being oppressed and discriminated, plenty live in poverty and the media tells them the US, Israel or the decadent west in general are to blame (I'm not saying they aren't...)
And terrorists are portrayed as those who stand up against injustice.
Millions of Germans supported the nazis. Millions of Italians supported Mussolini. Millions of Russians supported Stalin. It's taking advantage of the socio-economic circumstances and propaganda.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
I don't blame them. Plenty of muslims are being oppressed and discriminated, plenty live in poverty and the media tells them the US, Israel or the decadent west in general are to blame (I'm not saying they aren't...)
And terrorists are portrayed as those who stand up against injustice.
Millions of Germans supported the nazis. Millions of Italians supported Mussolini. Millions of Russians supported Stalin. It's taking advantage of the socio-economic circumstances and propaganda.
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You don't blame them. That nice of you. Real sweet.

But I do.

How one responds to a situation is one's own responsibility.

But to be sure the millions of Muslims that support terrorism are not alone.

Many people in many groups support terrorism.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Yeah, but people are very easy to manipulate with. Conscience can be easily supressed or changed.
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So now no one is responsible for there actions because "people are very easy to manipulate with"?

Well lets just empty all the prisions and forgive all that have been manipulated with.
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snakelegs said:
i know they're "supposed to be" - but i'm not sure if that's true.
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Dictators and extremists usually get votes from poor, uneducated and consequentially frustreted people, who are more likely buy the empty promises of better living and similar stuff..
 
wilberhum said:
So now no one is responsible for there actions because "people are very easy to manipulate with"?

Well lets just empty all the prisions and forgive all that have been manipulated with. http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/boese/k020.gif
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In my opinion most or at least a lot of criminals are not objectevly responsible for their actions. I don't think right and wrong sense is innate or anything like that.. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be prosecuted. They should, however in order to rehabilitate.

Hmmm.:-\:smile:
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Dictators and extremists usually get votes from poor, uneducated and consequentially frustreted people, who are more likely buy the empty promises of better living and similar stuff..
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dictators don't need votes! ;D
from what i've observed, i think americans are just as easy to manipulate as any other group, though in theory, poverty and ignorance should make it easier.
 
snakelegs said:
dictators don't need votes! ;D
from what i've observed, i think americans are just as easy to manipulate as any other group, though in theory, poverty and ignorance should make it easier.
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Usually they need votes in order to get elected and change the law about votes..
Americans are not a homogeneous group. You've got rich peple who play golf and sip the latest in brandies and you've got an unemployed hispanic mother of three or even seven!
But I agree - it depends on the person. There are different factors that determine if a person is easy to manipulate with. Poverty, education, relations, mentality, severe emotional traumas....these factors interact. Some have greter influence than the others. In my opinion poverty is one of the most influential factors.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Usually they need votes in order to get elected and change the law about votes..
Americans are not a homogeneous group. You've got rich peple who play golf and sip the latest in brandies and you've got an unemployed hispanic mother of three or even seven!
But I agree - it depends on the person. There are different factors that determine if a person is easy to manipulate with. Poverty, education, relations, mentality, severe emotional traumas....these factors interact. Some have greter influence than the others. In my opinion poverty is one of the most influential factors.
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I agree, serious poverty is usually the catalyst for major and dramatic political change. Dictators are quick to take advantage of this. Take the hyperinflation disaster in Germany after WWI, this paved the way for the Nazi regime.
 

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