Somalia: 1 million civilians displaced

[Dawud_uk]

Abdullahi Yusuf is committing clear kufr by ruling by other than Allah has revealed, he is committing clear kufr by siding with the kuffar against the believers.

apart from anythign else he only got the position because he was a warlord in the first place.

i hope he makes tawbah and returns to islam, but if not i hope the mujahadeen take his head and send it in a box to his masters in washington!

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

 

[Joe98]

There is no such thing as "peace negotion" until they the coalition of kuffar keave our lands.after that then we can talk global peace.

Only after muslims leave the Christain lands.

England
USA
Sweden
Denmark
etc
etc

 

[Omar_Mukhtar]

@Joe, I fail to see your comparison with London and other Western cities. The majority of Muslims in those cities never came to those countries by way of force or military means.

I see that some people try to change this issue into a general discussion about non Muslims and vice versa living in their respective lands. That is a good discussion, but it has nothing to do with the situation in Somalia.

There are non Muslim aid workers and other humnatarian organization operating in Somalia. Infact, the Islamic Courts invited the U.N to come to Muqdisho and see for theselves if Alqaeda was operating there, which they did. The U.S.A sponsored a U.N resolution which called prohibited all "neigbouring countries" to send troops to Somalia. The European Union has called on all foreign forces ie Ethiopia to leave. Thus the Ethiopian invasion is illegally by international and obviously by Islamic law.

International organizations have documented for years the rape, torture and purpose witholding of food in the Somali speaking region by the Ethiopian government. In fact, they use food blockage as a weapon of war.

For the person who said they should lay down their arms: do you mean only the resistance should lay down their arms or both sides?

 

[sudais1]

Yeah..that's it. Somalia was a garden spot laden with milk and honey before the first US soldier ever set foot there (to aid a UN food mission, buy the way) years before the 9-11 attack and even before the AQ attacks on American embassies in Africa. Your thesis is so preposterous as to paint you as a mere caricature.

Do tell us how many cruise lines stopped at Magadishu to sample the welcoming culture and the famous Somali cuisine. Also, when Somalia exports its first drop of oil...please let us know.

BTW, when the Mujahadin marches into Addis Ababa, please post something here. That will be something to see. All the Kuffar forces will flee in disarray when the mighty Ethiopina war machine is crushed.

You clearly have no knowledge of whats going on. Somalia was a haven for drug dealers, war lords, and the whole country was corrupt with clan fighting and all this stupid stuff. Finally all these tribes were united and they fought to make Somalia an Islamic State and the Kufr Countries want to come and destroy it and implement there western style governments. You clearly have no idea what is going on so it's better for you to stay queit. Somalia was on the road to becoming a wealthy nation because we finally achieved peace and after we settled in to the country like get all the rules and people back to their homes we would have peacefully open up our oil wells for buisness and we would become a good nation but thats not good for the U.S because they also want the oil. (Allah Yal 3nak 3lal Kufar). Again if the kufr nations dont leave our country or all muslim countries we'll send your soldiers mutilated body back in pieces

 

[Cognescenti]

You clearly have no knowledge of whats going on. Somalia was a haven for drug dealers, war lords, and the whole country was corrupt with clan fighting and all this stupid stuff. Finally all these tribes were united and they fought to make Somalia an Islamic State and the Kufr Countries want to come and destroy it and implement there western style governments. You clearly have no idea what is going on so it's better for you to stay queit. Somalia was on the road to becoming a wealthy nation because we finally achieved peace and after we settled in to the country like get all the rules and people back to their homes we would have peacefully open up our oil wells for buisness and we would become a good nation but thats not good for the U.S because they also want the oil. (Allah Yal 3nak 3lal Kufar). Again if the kufr nations dont leave our country or all muslim countries we'll send your soldiers mutilated body back in pieces

No, I think you don't know what is going on. Do you really think the people of "Kufr countries" like the US or France or the UK really care about internal Somali politics as some kind of poltical science exercise?

What the US wants is to avoid another failed state run by a bunch of insular nutjobs who provide refuge or aid to international terror organizations.

 

[Omar_Mukhtar]

If the U.S.A was trying do that, the it is going the wrong way about. Supporting the historical enemy of Somalia and arming dictators/ world including those that killed and dragged 18 soldiers of their own. B.T.W, the guy that was responsible for that mission is the mayor of Muqdisho and he is a C.I.A operative now. Will only lead to further resentment of Americans and their policies by ordinary Somalis. Of course the media creates monsters such as Alqaeda and " insurgents", the people who are resisting are mostly ordinary Somali clans and their associates( not monsters). Naturally, more and more people will take up arms and support the "Islamists", if things continue they are going..........But I guess the Americans are in a no win situation...one the one hand they can't support an Islamic movement......on the other hand they are forced to support dictators, warlords and thugs to combat them. That is understanable, but what i dislike is to claim these ventures are far spreading democracy or another moral aim, when the case is clearly different...........

 

[Intisar]

For the person who said they should lay down their arms: do you mean only the resistance should lay down their arms or both sides?

Both sides should lay down arms. Subhanallah so much unnecessary violence, killing and bloodshed. If both sides truly want whats best for the Somali people, then they would both lay down arms and come to a peaceful resolution for the Somali people.

The Ethiopians don't want what's best for Somalis, obviously, because they're not Somali and they're our enemies (we have been fighting them for our part of Somalia) and the ICU don't want what's best for Somalis because if they did then they wouldn't be fighting eachother.

At least other countries fight over land, oil, or diamonds but we're fighting over, of all things, qabiil!? I mean, a little child can not go to school because his country is in peril over something that is God-given? Subhanallah, I wouldn't expect the 'TFG' to understand this, but the ICU is doing no good in participating in it. Honestly, they all need to halt this 'war' that's going on. Did you guys read the new UN report? 1, 000, 000 Somalis are in suffering by displacement and all sorts of other horrible debacles.

Man they should both know better. Please you guys, make ducaa for the Somali people -- they don't deserve this.

 

[Cognescenti]

If the U.S.A was trying do that, the it is going the wrong way about. Supporting the historical enemy of Somalia and arming dictators/ world including those that killed and dragged 18 soldiers of their own. B.T.W, the guy that was responsible for that mission is the mayor of Muqdisho and he is a C.I.A operative now. Will only lead to further resentment of Americans and their policies by ordinary Somalis. Of course the media creates monsters such as Alqaeda and " insurgents", the people who are resisting are mostly ordinary Somali clans and their associates( not monsters). Naturally, more and more people will take up arms and support the "Islamists", if things continue they are going..........But I guess the Americans are in a no win situation...one the one hand they can't support an Islamic movement......on the other hand they are forced to support dictators, warlords and thugs to combat them. That is understanable, but what i dislike is to claim these ventures are far spreading democracy or another moral aim, when the case is clearly different...........

Omar;

Thank you for raising the caliber of the discussion a bit.

I haven't heard a representive of the US claim what is happening in Somalia now is about Democracy. In fact, they have largely been keeping quiet about Somalia. As you say, any group with a radical Islamist ideology that wants to take over a patch of dirt on this planet in 2007 is going to have "visitors". Quite possbily, there will be no official pronouncement, either. I don't see that changing with the next administration.

 

[Intisar]

^I think calling them 'radicals' is stretching it a bit too far. Though I do agree the banning of soccer games was a bit absurd, they did for the most part do a lot of good. Alas, Allah truly knows what's in their hearts so let's leave that for him to decide.

What I find the most odd though, is that people are acting as if all of a sudden Somali has become a war-ravaged country, as if this hasn't been happening for over a decade now. We've been in a war for over 17 years people, let's not pretend like it's just started.

 

[Omar_Mukhtar]

Both sides should lay down arms. Subhanallah so much unnecessary violence, killing and bloodshed. If both sides truly want whats best for the Somali people, then they would both lay down arms and come to a peaceful resolution for the Somali people.

The Ethiopians don't want what's best for Somalis, obviously, because they're not Somali and they're our enemies (we have been fighting them for our part of Somalia) and the ICU don't want what's best for Somalis because if they did then they wouldn't be fighting eachother.

At least other countries fight over land, oil, or diamonds but we're fighting over, of all things, qabiil!? I mean, a little child can not go to school because his country is in peril over something that is God-given? Subhanallah, I wouldn't expect the 'TFG' to understand this, but the ICU is doing no good in participating in it. Honestly, they all need to halt this 'war' that's going on. Did you guys read the new UN report? 1, 000, 000 Somalis are in suffering by displacement and all sorts of other horrible debacles.

Man they should both know better. Please you guys, make ducaa for the Somali people -- they don't deserve this.

Sister, both sides should lay down their arms and negotiate. But we know life isn't easy as that. You know the I.C.U and others aren't to lay down their weapons so long as there are Ethiopians troops in Somalia. If they lay down their weapons; they fear they will be killed or detained.

 

[al-muslimah]

The Ethiopians don't want what's best for Somalis, obviously, because they're not Somali and they're our enemies (we have been fighting them for our part of Somalia) and the ICU don't want what's best for Somalis because if they did then they wouldn't be fighting eachother. ----sister ameena

Sister don't u understand the situation here. You as well as everybody knows that the Ethipians and any other kuffar invaders will never negotiate with the Muslims or sign a truce. And the stuff they are doing there like fighting "insurgents" or Islamists as they claim they are doing, so far the only people they are massacring are civilians. Even the civilians want the UIC back because of there justice in dealing with people. In just six months since they rose to power they improved alot more than the transitional government and the warlords.Baraka from Allah(swt).
We really need to go back to the books. Why don't you guys check out Shaykh Abdullah Azzam's book Defense of the Muslim Lands.(fatawa book,1987).Very good inshallah.It is very interesting.

 

[wilberhum]

Ethipians and any other kuffar invaders will never negotiate with the Muslims or sign a truce.

Sounds like Kuffarophobia to me. :-\

All of Somalia's problems are caused by others. How convient. :skeleton:

 

[al-muslimah]

All of Somalia's problems are caused by others. How convient.--wilberhumm

Who said that?? That is not true it is partially their fault and those who attack them.

 

[wilberhum]

All of Somalia's problems are caused by others. How convient.--wilberhumm

Who said that?? That is not true it is partially their fault and those who attack them.

:thumbs_up:thumbs_up:thumbs_up:thumbs_up:thumbs_up:thumbs_up:thumbs_up

 

[sudais1]

No, I think you don't know what is going on. Do you really think the people of "Kufr countries" like the US or France or the UK really care about internal Somali politics as some kind of poltical science exercise?

What the US wants is to avoid another failed state run by a bunch of insular nutjobs who provide refuge or aid to international terror organizations.

I simply want the United States and all these other countries to get out of Muslim lands. We'll rule ourselves the way we want and you rule your selves the way you want. the Ummah has a lot of money and we don't need the kufr west to tell us whats good for us and not. WE control many minerals and gold and 70% of the worlds oil not counting Somalia which according to many Oil reaserchers could be as rich in oil as the Saudi's. Again Muslims don't need western invasion on our lands. Get out of our lands. Somali people want Sharia and the Islamic State. We tried western ways for 85 years and nothing has come of it but invasion and the plundering of our resources. We even have oil in the Caucasus which are Muslim. Don't get me wrong tho, Somalia was always such a corrupt country that I hated to even see the flag or the people because they were so intermingled with Clan fighting but know it's different. The Clans have been united under Islam and brought peace to the country before the U.S sent Ethiopia to fight us then I got angry. America couldn't bring peace to us for so long then Islam brings us peace then America gets angry and fights. Anyways the ICU did some shady things thats why there losing now. But as soon as they make repentance and fix their intention then Allah will guide their bullets and mortars.



Terror Organizations?

Who Is the biggest aggressor in the world?
Who keeps launching wars?
Who keeps Implenting it's ways on the world?

Oh I remember, When one resists the Great America then they are terrorists:-\

Americans moan about 911 way to much. They killed that x unthinkable in Aghanistan and Iraq and then they sent their puppets Ethios to fight us. But don't worry the longer they stay the more funerals they'll have :happy:

 

[al-muslimah]

Americans moan about 911 way to much. They killed that x unthinkable in Aghanistan and Iraq and then they sent their puppets Ethios to fight us. But don't worry the longer they stay the more funerals they'll have--sudais1


Yes. I agree.

 

[MuslimahBlue]

Only after muslims leave the Christain lands.

England
USA
Sweden
Denmark
etc
etc

Which Muslim countries army is in England, U.K, Sweden..wtc
Pakistan??Iran??

Honeslty if your going to make a statement like that use your common sense.

Er, right... kay: Back to the real world...

I'm not sure what point you think is being made, here. If there were no Islamist insurgents there would be no fighting and nobody being displaced anywhere. No fighting, no uprooting.

That statement shows that you know jack about Somalia. Before the Islamic courts Somalia or Mogadishu in particular had been in a state where there was constant fighting and millions of people left Somalia. During their reign atleast people felt more safe. Its just that people start perking up there ears when they here the word Islam coming into the equation. Like come on its been 16 years? and now all of a sudden Somalia is front page worthy.

 

[al-muslimah]

Jihad is our only solution today and will get us back on our feet.

 

[Woodrow]

Jihad is our only solution today and will get us back on our feet.

,

That is one possibility. T

The other possibility is that we could be committing an even greater sin by doing so. The needless killing of non-combatants, women and children is not a wise move. Unless a solid distinct enemy can be identified and jihad directed to him/her a jihad could easily be directed against the innocents and not the guilty.

The enemies of Islam today are difficult to put a face and name on. We can think we know who is our enemy, but are we actually seeing the true faceless enemies that are trying to destroy us? We can give names like Bush, Musharaff etc. Yet in todays world in which government has been replaced by multi national corporations, we are hard pressed to find the hiding place or even identity of those who truly are wishing there was a physical jihad with Muslims and Western world destroying each other. Both Islam and the Western world are in a danger of failing to recognize who is causing this rift that is harming all of us. We spend too much time fighting each other and are blind to see who is gaining strength over our own ignorance.

 

[Cognescenti]

Jihad is our only solution today and will get us back on our feet.

I suppose you don't mean the struggle-within-oneself-to-follow-the-techings-of-Islam-type jihad.

You know, that is the meaning the ignorant Kuffar automatically don't associate with the word.

You mean the kill-the-filthy-kuffar-type jihad.

Those ignorant kuffar...you wonder where they get such Islamophobic ideas, eh?


BTW...what are you waiting for? Why not volunteer for something? They make vests for women.