To muslims are atheists worse than other theists?

[kay106]

The atheists I have met, claim they are rationalists thats why they are atheists, that they are reasoned everything out. But the arguments I have heard from them are the most irrational arguments, out there in the nonsense market! - thats really they way I really feel in terms of arguments. In terms of personality very kind, polite, patience, curious, better personality than a lot of muslims I meet who are rude, impatient and lazy.

Examples of atheists arguments i have come across,

They claim that there was a big bang then everything came into perfect order by chance! I ask them that if you have 10 marbles > number them 1-10 > put them in a bag > blind fold yourself > then pick them out > whats the chance that they will be in their order from 1-10? almost 0. Now what about the bigger picture, this whole universe in perfect order by chance? what about dropping a glass, does it turn into fewer small glass, or is there a disastor? chaoes? can order come out of chaoes?

They say that we evolved from monkeys, i ask them if we evolved from monkeys should the monkeys still be evolving? shouldn't they have figured out how we put them in the zoo, then put some of us in the zoo? shouldn't they by now have oxford school for monkeys?

what about fossil evidence, if we have evolved shouldn't the fossil records which date back to 300-400 millions years have intermediate forms, why are the creatures on the fossil record exactly the same as now?

Did you ever ask for proof? Isn't this part of being a rationalist? That you need evidence to believe in something?

Common use your reason, God is commanding us to do it!

Sorry If I sound harsh, but thats they way i feel about the athiests I have met.

Sorry to my fellow atheist brothers and sisters reading this, I really dont mean to hurt your feelings, hope our creator guides you.

 

[kay106]

you guys really believe there is not hearafter?

after here we will be somewhere else.

After here > means hearafter right?

after here after here after here. Got that?

 

[kay106]

Some might say God. I do not since I do not believe God exists.

Even if I did try to turn to God in the above circumstances - it would not provide evidence for God's existence.

Wot is your definition of God?

 

[Gator]

Hello

...then everything came into perfect order by chance!

I do not see perfect order.

Take a glass of sand and pour it on the floor. Do you know the chances of that exact pile of sand happening? very close to zero.

As for the creation of the universe, I don't know. I have ideas and some things fit the way I believe things work, but proof is not within our grasp.

I hope this helps to see where you and I differ in our outlook on the universe.

Thanks.

 

[Gator]

you guys really believe there is not hearafter?

If by spiritual afterlife. Then yes, I do not believe.

Thanks.

 

[Pygoscelis]

No really, because the truth is is front of everyone, and whether they choose to accept it or deny it, that is up to them. How is it limiting God's power when people have their own free will?!

This text makes me think you may be one of the theists I was referring to, who doesn't believe in non-believers, only those who do see the "truth" but choose to reject it. I am telling you that I have seen no "truth" and there is nothing I have been aware of as truth and rejected.

 

[Pygoscelis]

The atheists I have met, claim they are rationalists thats why they are atheists, that they are reasoned everything out.

Well then let me be your first atheist friend who has NOT reasoned everything out. Atheism means nothing but a disbelief in god(s). I don't claim to know how the universe came to be, and I actually find it hard to believe that we ever could know this for sure.

I ask them that if you have 10 marbles > number them 1-10 > put them in a bag > blind fold yourself > then pick them out > whats the chance that they will be in their order from 1-10? almost 0.

Randomly pick them out again. Note the order they came out in. The odds of that order (which just happened) is also close to zero. Further note that if the universe had not unfolded the way it did, we may not be here to observe it. Further note that the universe is far from perfect.

They say that we evolved from monkeys

Actually they say we and monkeys evolved from a common ancestor, not that we evolved from monkeys. Essentially their idea is that you and a monkey have the same great great great great great great great x 2000 grandpa.

i ask them if we evolved from monkeys should the monkeys still be evolving?

They believe that they are still evolving yes. They'll tell you that we are too.

shouldn't they have figured out how we put them in the zoo, then put some of us in the zoo?

Ever seen "Planet of the Apes"?

what about fossil evidence, if we have evolved shouldn't the fossil records which date back to 300-400 millions years have intermediate forms

They do.

why are the creatures on the fossil record exactly the same as now?

They're not.

Did you ever ask for proof? Isn't this part of being a rationalist? That you need evidence to believe in something?

You're exactly correct. We should ask for proof, in all things. And that is one thing that leads most atheists to being atheists.

Common use your reason, God is commanding us to do it!

I don't hear her.

Sorry If I sound harsh, but thats they way i feel about the athiests I have met.

No problem.

Sorry to my fellow atheist brothers and sisters reading this, I really dont mean to hurt your feelings,

No worries

hope our creator guides you.

I'd like to meet her if she's out there.

 

[Pygoscelis]

you guys really believe there is not hearafter?

after here we will be somewhere else.

After here > means hearafter right?

after here after here after here. Got that?

I see no reason to believe in an afterlife or a soul, no.

The rest of this post looks like poem of some kind, but I dont understand it.

 

[Skavau]

The atheists I have met, claim they are rationalists thats why they are atheists, that they are reasoned everything out. But the arguments I have heard from them are the most irrational arguments, out there in the nonsense market!

Lets see.

They claim that there was a big bang then everything came into perfect order by chance! I ask them that if you have 10 marbles > number them 1-10 > put them in a bag > blind fold yourself > then pick them out > whats the chance that they will be in their order from 1-10? almost 0. Now what about the bigger picture, this whole universe in perfect order by chance? what about dropping a glass, does it turn into fewer small glass, or is there a disastor? chaoes? can order come out of chaoes?

No Atheist I know declares everything came into perfect order by chance.

Moreover, no Atheist I know believes everything is in perfect order.

Strawman.

They say that we evolved from monkeys, i ask them if we evolved from monkeys should the monkeys still be evolving? shouldn't they have figured out how we put them in the zoo, then put some of us in the zoo? shouldn't they by now have oxford school for monkeys?

You clearly have absolutely no understanding of evolution. Species are not inherently directly going to evolve into another specific species. Moreover, we did not evolve from monkeys. We and monkeys share a common ancestor.

what about fossil evidence, if we have evolved shouldn't the fossil records which date back to 300-400 millions years have intermediate forms, why are the creatures on the fossil record exactly the same as now?

There is fossil records for evolution.

Here

Did you ever ask for proof? Isn't this part of being a rationalist? That you need evidence to believe in something?

There's no such thing as proof. Only evidence and reason.

Wot is your definition of God?

Something for which there is no evidence for and there is no set definition for.

Considering there is no decent agreement of what 'God' actually is, and considering I have not come across a good definition of a God - I do not actually have one. I am ignostic regarding it.

 

[kay106]

HelloI do not see perfect order.

Take a glass of sand and pour it on the floor. Do you know the chances of that exact pile of sand happening? very close to zero.

I completely do not understand what you are saying, are you trying to say that if I take a glass of sand and pour it out what is the chance of that happening? what is the point you are trying to make? Is it that becuase you dont know the chances how likely that you are able to pour sand that's why there is not a creator? Sorry I am completely lost!

 

[kay106]

Lets see.


No Atheist I know declares everything came into perfect order by chance.

Moreover, no Atheist I know believes everything is in perfect order. .

Ok let me spell out to you what perfect order is, can you see that the clouds drop rain, then the trees souk up that rain, then the trees give us fruit oxygen. Can you see the the sun giving us energy? That the plants take in the sun light, then the cows eat the grass, then we eat the cow, can you see that everything in nature is fullfilling a function? Can you see that out hears pump blood around our body? Our lungs take in the oxygen and breathe back out carbon dioxide? Can you see that the moon goes around the earth, the earth goes around the sun, even in an atom, electrons goes around the nucleus all in an anti-clockwise fashion, can you see that's what us muslims out of our free will have to do around the kabba, in the same anticlockwise fasion?

can you see, that in nature a perfect functions being fulfilled, that everything is following a set of rules, a code of conduct, a law and order, thats why they are in a state of harmony and peace? meaning that they are not in disagreement with one another? they do what they are ment to do, shouldn't we too humans be fulling a function? Shouldn't our intellect be fulfilling a function?

Can you see that the humans in general all around the world are in a state of chaoes, confusion, that there are wars, disputes, disagreements? Hope you can understand what I mean!

Did you know the definition of Islam? It means Submitt your will to acquire peace. This is what makes you a muslim, thats why we that everying in nature that is following this code of conduct is a muslim!

Strawman.


You clearly have absolutely no understanding of evolution. Species are not inherently directly going to evolve into another specific species. Moreover, we did not evolve from monkeys. We and monkeys share a common ancestor.


There is fossil records for evolution.

Here


There's no such thing as proof. Only evidence and reason.

Definition of proof "any factual evidence that helps to establish the truth of something; "if you have any proof for what you say, now is the time to produce it" [source - google define: proof] Why do you atheists love to play around with words, when you know what I mean?

Wheres your evidence and reason that we have a common ancestor, dont you think that by now that scientists would have called it a fact, instead of a theory, if there was enough proof, evidence, reason?

below is my evidence that evolution is still a theory: See those fossil evidence.

http://www.fossil-museum.com/ -

Cant be bothered to give you an example open your eyes and see for your self!

Something for which there is no evidence for and there is no set definition for.

Considering there is no decent agreement of what 'God' actually is, and considering I have not come across a good definition of a God - I do not actually have one. I am ignostic regarding it.

Ok let me give you a definition, God is the creator of everything that exists, he is the source of existance, peace, he is the one whom everything is dependant on, he's order is which nature follows! Do you agree on this definition? In other words do think there is such a creator, that he deserve and thanks and praise? I could give you much better answers, only on the condition that you are truly searching for the truth! If you are here to try and outsmart us, sorry I cant be bothered, your own loss, not mine.

 

[kay106]

I'd like to meet her if she's out there.

surely you will meet him, you dont use your brain, change your ways, now in this earth, when you meet him, he will chuck you into hell for eternitity, this is what islam teaches. Do really want to go down for eternity, you need think about this seriously, you need proof, i have give it to you!

 

[wilberhum]

surely you will meet him, you dont use your brain, change your ways, now in this earth, when you meet him, he will chuck you into hell for eternitity, this is what islam teaches. Do really want to go down for eternity, you need think about this seriously, you need proof, i have give it to you!

What proof have you given? I sure don't see any.

 

[Gator]

I completely do not understand what you are saying, are you trying to say that if I take a glass of sand and pour it out what is the chance of that happening? what is the point you are trying to make? Is it that becuase you dont know the chances how likely that you are able to pour sand that's why there is not a creator? Sorry I am completely lost!

Sure.

I'm talking about the pattern the poured sand makes. The chances of that pile of sand taking that exact shape down to the grain is very very small.

The point is the pattern that resulted had a very low probability, and there was no conscious thought behind the placement of each grain, but it did happen.

Basically I'm saying, I believe the universe is more like that poured sand (no conscous order) than your marbles marked 1 to 10 (conscious order).

Does that help you? Let me know if I'm communicating poorly.

 

[Trumble]

Wheres your evidence and reason that we have a common ancestor, dont you think that by now that scientists would have called it a fact, instead of a theory, if there was enough proof, evidence, reason?

No.

Gravity is 'still a theory', too.


On the marbles, the point is that while the odds of drawing out the marbles in the order 1 to 10 are small, the odds of drawing any particular combination are identical. And one combination gets drawn every time.. a different universe if you like, that to it's inhabitants (if any) might seem just as organised as our own.

 

[kay106]

What proof have you given? I sure don't see any.

This is a tip tip of the iceberg of proofs in Islam. You need more proof let me know. Hope that helps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpGs2SiBPCA

 

[wilberhum]

This is a tip tip of the iceberg of proofs in Islam. You need more proof let me know. Hope that helps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpGs2SiBPCA

If you think that is proof, I have a bridge I will sell you, cheep.

That is like "Preaching to the Choir". No one will believe it but the believers.

 

[Pygoscelis]

surely you will meet him, you dont use your brain, change your ways, now in this earth, when you meet him, he will chuck you into hell for eternitity, this is what islam teaches. Do really want to go down for eternity, you need think about this seriously, you need proof, i have give it to you!

This God of yours doesn't sound very friendly to me. He's going to chuck me into hell simply for never coming to know he exists?

 

[Skavau]

I completely do not understand what you are saying, are you trying to say that if I take a glass of sand and pour it out what is the chance of that happening?

You say that it is impossible for everything to come into perfect order by chance, or next to impossible. The same applies with the glass of sand example.

According to your own argument taking a glass of sand and pouring it out, is next to impossible. There are so many things that could have happened otherwise. There is even an immense amount of different sand grains that could be in the cup.

Ok let me spell out to you what perfect order is, can you see that the clouds drop rain, then the trees souk up that rain, then the trees give us fruit oxygen. Can you see the the sun giving us energy? That the plants take in the sun light, then the cows eat the grass, then we eat the cow, can you see that everything in nature is fullfilling a function?

Yes.

Now precisely where is the perfection there? You believe that the rain for example falls precisely when the plants require it? Or that the sun light shines when they need it? Seeing as in many regions on earth, rain falls regularly causing floods and destruction and in other regions, endless sunlight causes droughts - you tell me there is 'perfect order'?

can you see, that in nature a perfect functions being fulfilled, that everything is following a set of rules, a code of conduct, a law and order, thats why they are in a state of harmony and peace? meaning that they are not in disagreement with one another? they do what they are ment to do, shouldn't we too humans be fulling a function? Shouldn't our intellect be fulfilling a function?

Natural Law has no interest in human survival nor purpose. It is doing simply what it does.

Moreover, what 'function' should we humans be following?

Can you see that the humans in general all around the world are in a state of chaoes, confusion, that there are wars, disputes, disagreements? Hope you can understand what I mean!

Yes. That is also more reason to suppose disorder.

Did you know the definition of Islam? It means Submitt your will to acquire peace. This is what makes you a muslim, thats why we that everying in nature that is following this code of conduct is a muslim!

I know the definition of Islam. I remain unconvinced of its truth value.

Definition of proof "any factual evidence that helps to establish the truth of something; "if you have any proof for what you say, now is the time to produce it" [source - google define: proof] Why do you atheists love to play around with words, when you know what I mean?

Proof is not a valid way of discerning truth from falsehood in science. Nothing in science is proven.

Wheres your evidence and reason that we have a common ancestor, dont you think that by now that scientists would have called it a fact, instead of a theory, if there was enough proof, evidence, reason?

I suggest you key yourself up on the definition of theory in science. In science, a theory is a self-consistent model which explains natural phenomena. It is not a simple guess nor a hunch. The Theory of Relativity and Theory Of Gravity remain both theories.

below is my evidence that evolution is still a theory: See those fossil evidence.

http://www.fossil-museum.com/ -

"On this site you can find works by Harun Yahya that totally demolish Darwinism, as well as news reports and developments that demonstrate the global effect these works are having."

'Nuff said.

Cant be bothered to give you an example open your eyes and see for your self!

Then why should I?

Ok let me give you a definition, God is the creator of everything that exists, he is the source of existance, peace, he is the one whom everything is dependant on, he's order is which nature follows! Do you agree on this definition?

That definition above appears to a rather Pantheistic approach. But no, since I do not believe in God - I do not.

In other words do think there is such a creator, that he deserve and thanks and praise? I could give you much better answers, only on the condition that you are truly searching for the truth! If you are here to try and outsmart us, sorry I cant be bothered, your own loss, not mine.

I am here to correct falsehood when people spout it. You spouted misleading falsehood earlier and I corrected them.

 

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This text makes me think you may be one of the theists I was referring to, who doesn't believe in non-believers, only those who do see the "truth" but choose to reject it. I am telling you that I have seen no "truth" and there is nothing I have been aware of as truth and rejected.

:salamext:

That is what the truth is lol.