Cop quits after insulting gift to Muslim colleague

[جوري]

Look. I came to this board because I have been one of the most passionate staunch supporters of Muslims in my community for a LONG time. I came in here out of respect and love for a religion I thought to be beautiful and to learn more about it.

You are comparing rape and an insult. I am trying to point out that reacting in some ways does NOT further the cause of Islam. The reason I am doing that (sticking my neck out in a group of people that are already known for being hyper sensitive and thin skinned and intolerant, but whom I love and defend at the expense of my OWN reputation in the community where I LIVE AND WORK AND HAVE RAISED MY OWN CHILDREN) is to try to help you realize that choosing to get offended and seek validation might not HELP you as much as it will HARM you and that if you instead think about... just think aobut... just CONSIDER taking a more though out, compassionate route and seeking to foster UNDERSTANDING. Well, then you might have better luck and building a more positive perception of Islam in general.

But excuse me for that. Far be it from me, just because I have cared about you and loved you and stood on the side of Muslims in argument of which you will never know anything about... far be it from me to disparage being disappointed to come in here and find people insulting each other, nit picking, over reacting and getting so bent out of shape they can't see straight because I too the initiative to speak up and suggest a manner of doing things that might HELP.

And I'm sure you won't appreciate this either, but frankly, I expected better things. I expected polite people who would listen and consider. I expected people who were interested in furthering the cause of PEACE. Maybe I expected too much and my ideas about Islam and Muslims were too naive. But really... all this name calling and nit picking and insulting and back biting and arguing and pettiness... Really.

You don't even know when somebody's on YOUR SIDE.

Geesh... talk about shooting the messenger. I came here out of love and respect and found a room full of petty little children shooting spit wads at each other and calling names.

If you'll pardon my candor.

And whether or not you care or know it, I will continue to defend Muslims where ever I go, even when it ends up alienating me from my own people.

I don't think anyone has problems with what you say short of where it encroaches upon (Allah swt/ the messenger/ the Quran/ or fellow Muslims).. this is where I personally draw the line..
If that appears intolerant to you, then so be it.. my goal in life is not to foster relations at the expense of my religion.
If you have a difficult time differentiating the whole from the part, then again, there is nothing that I can personally do to remedy that.. But I'd really worry about the state of mind of someone who chooses her way of life as Muslim one day, then undisclosed the next for the simple fact that she doesn't like the opinion of some Muslims.. I really pray that whatever draws you close or away from the faith of your choosing stands on more solid grounds so that you may complete your journey without every fickle event rocking you to the very core!

cheers!

 

[Jayda]

I never disliked you the person (only the posts that declare me blasphemer against Paul)

gracias

 

[caroline]

my goal in life is not to foster relations at the expense of my religion.

my negative comment removed.

 

[caroline]

I really pray that whatever draws you close or away from the faith of your choosing stands on more solid grounds so that you may complete your journey without every fickle event rocking you to the very core!

cheers!

my negative comment removed... beg your pardon

 

[NoName55]

gracias

Eres bienvenido



(using a translator software application)

 

[جوري]

What you will probably never understand is that behaving in a hateful, constantly degrading and insulting manner while representing Islam IS and INSULT TO ALLAH.

well, thank God for your presence here as your mind is that much bigger than ours.
Hateful/insulting remarks about my religion will be met with the same, again I am not going to change that to coax someone into liking Islam or converting especially not for converting (I can't think of a worst reason to become Muslim or a faster way to shift between religions) seems very fickle!.. this isn't a dress to make alterations to so that it suits you..
I personally, don't believe I have ever complained of being isolated from my community or being oppressed and it is because I define the lines and limits of what is acceptable!
..
please as a last favor, if you'd complete your altruistic journey on this forum refrain from speaking on behalf of God!

peace!

 

[Jayda]

Eres bienvenido



(using a translator software application)

lol i can tell... it's a colloquialism usually we just say 'de nada' which means 'of nothing' ... it's kind of nonsense in english.

are you really in mirpur? that is kashmir isn't it?

 

[جوري]

That's quite a talent you have there. Even your prayers and well wishes are hateful and insulting.

I'm trying to imagine you in a hijab.... for some reason I just can't get my mind around it.

Don't imagine me in your mind.. busy yourself with your own affairs!

cheers

 

[UmmSqueakster]

As a sincere bit of advice to both muslims and seekers on this thread:

Seeker (aka my dear sister Caroline) - avoid political arguments and discussions as much as possible during your seeking stage. I spent much of my first year or 2 before and in Islam in the yahoo islam chats defending Islam and arguing politics. This did nothing for my iman (faith) and sucked a huge amount of time away that I could have spend learning the deen (religion).

Muslims - be kind to seekers. Remember the example of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (saws) when he was met with opinions that differed from his own. Look at your behavior and ask yourself if you will be happy to review it with Allah (swt) on judgement day when He asks you how you treated someone interested in Islam.

"He was patient in the face of extreme or illogical behavior from strangers. They would sometimes grow angry, and he would calm them, saying, 'Guide them when you see anyone like that.'"

"… He always spoke words that would cause people to love another and come together. He would never frighten or chase them away. He attached great importance to the leaders of all tribes, and was hospitable towards them…"

 

[UmmSqueakster]

Hateful/insulting remarks about my religion will be met with the same,

peace!

That isn't the sunnah of the Prophet (saws). In fact, he advised the muslims to not insult the idols of the Quaresh, because one of them might in turn insult Allah (swt).

 

[Woodrow]

One of the most difficult things for all of us, is to keep posts on a forum, in the perspective of being just that. We all make an error if we deliberately use the forum to injury another verbally and we all make an error if we take a comment personal.

Things are often said without full knowledge, seen out of context, or said accidentally.

None of us can ever undo a word that has been read or heard, let us take into consideration that each of us has the ability to cause others pain, and try to not do so.

Let us understand that each of us can unintentionally insult another person's beliefs and to learn to understand the reaction it causes and then do our best not to repeat it.

Now, back to the topic.

 

[caroline]

well, thank God for your presence here as your mind is that much bigger than ours.
Hateful/insulting remarks about my religion will be met with the same, again I am not going to change that to coax someone into liking Islam or converting especially not for converting (I can't think of a worst reason to become Muslim or a faster way to shift between religions) seems very fickle!.. this isn't a dress to make alterations to so that it suits you..
I personally, don't believe I have ever complained of being isolated from my community or being oppressed and it is because I define the lines and limits of what is acceptable!
..
please as a last favor, if you'd complete your altruistic journey on this forum refrain from speaking on behalf of God!

peace!

My negative comment removed.

Pardon me for my passion.

 

[جوري]

That isn't the sunnah of the Prophet (saws). In fact, he advised the muslims to not insult the idols of the Quaresh, because one of them might in turn insult Allah (swt).

Yes let me play nice, have them yisibo adeen, make cartoons, call the prophet names, so she or others can become Muslim..
Jazaki Allah khyran.. it all makes sense to me now!

 

[NoName55]

salam alaikum @ Janaan

there are seekers then there are fakers and infiltrators, sister, who once busted go on rampages

seeker starts with abc of subject (s)he is seeking to master not by diving in at the deep end and trying to undermine what (s)he purports to be wanting to support.

wasalam alaikum

 

[جوري]

All I can say is that I really hope you don't work in the public sphere... not when so many people are working so hard to dispel all the negative perceptions of Muslims out there right now.

Sorry.. your hopes are a complete waste..
and thankfully, all I come in contact with have tremendous respect for me and my religion.. I am not going to put all my worth on the opinion of a house wife!


cheers!

 

[KAding]

What is worse, giving a Muslim pork or giving a vegetarian pork?

 

[caroline]

"He was patient in the face of extreme or illogical behavior from strangers. They would sometimes grow angry, and he would calm them, saying, 'Guide them when you see anyone like that.'"

"… He always spoke words that would cause people to love another and come together. He would never frighten or chase them away. He attached great importance to the leaders of all tribes, and was hospitable towards them…"

Now THAT is how I had imagined Islam to be...

 

[Jayda]

just so everybody is clear i'm not a seeker! i started off as a chaser but then i got switched over to keeper to make room for malfoy.

 

[UmmSqueakster]

Yes let me play nice, have them yisibo adeen, make cartoons, call the prophet names, so she or others can become Muslim..
Jazaki Allah khyran.. it all makes sense to me now!

Sarcasm isn't becoming a believer. Am I saying don't answer? Nope, merely reminding us of how we should answer.

Remember when the people of Taif stoned our beloved Prophet (saws) and Jibreel asked the Prophet (saws) if he would like the people to be destroyed. The Prophet (saws) answered no, because they may one day become muslim.

 

[Jayda]

What is worse, giving a Muslim pork or giving a vegetarian pork?

i do not mean offense... but that's not something you should have to ask...