Cop quits after insulting gift to Muslim colleague

[NoName55]

lol i can tell... it's a colloquialism usually we just say 'de nada' which means 'of nothing' ... it's kind of nonsense in english.

are you really in mirpur?

I was there last week for a funeral but ATM I'm in Leeds UK

that is kashmir isn't it?

yes

 

[ricardo_sousa]

Remember when the people of Taif stoned our beloved Prophet (saws) and Jibreel asked the Prophet (saws) if he would like the people to be destroyed. The Prophet (saws) answered no, because they may one day become muslim.

Lots of people doubt of Muhammad status as a Prophet. But I think nobody denies that Muhammad was a genial politician and leader.

 

[UmmSqueakster]

salam alaikum @ Janaan

there are seekers then there are fakers and infiltrators, sister, who once busted go on rampages

seeker starts with abc of subject (s)he is seeking to master not by diving in at the deep end and trying to undermine what (s)he purports to be wanting to support.

wasalam alaikum

Meh, having communicated with Caroline on a one on one basis, I'd caution against making judgments like that.



“Good and evil are not alike. Repel evil with what is better. Then he, between whom and you there was hatred, will become as though he was a bosom friend.” (Quran 41:34)

 

[caroline]

What is worse, giving a Muslim pork or giving a vegetarian pork?

Good point! I know vegetarians who make their choice on very deep, moral and spiritual grounds.

Hmmm... interesting thought.

 

[Jayda]

I was there last week for a funeral but ATM I'm in Leeds UKyes

that is interesting... i know they are fiercly autonomous... what is mirpur like? is there a mirpuri language?

 

[UmmSqueakster]

just so everybody is clear i'm not a seeker! i started off as a chaser but then i got switched over to keeper to make room for malfoy.

Funny, I always pictured you as a beater, and definately not a Slytherin

 

[جوري]

Sarcasm isn't becoming a believer. Am I saying don't answer? Nope, merely reminding us of how we should answer.

Remember when the people of Taif stoned our beloved Prophet (saws) and Jibreel asked the Prophet (saws) if he would like the people to be destroyed. The Prophet (saws) answered no, because they may one day become muslim.

Being a Muslim isn't a unidimensional term dear sister, one has to know when to be firm and when to be kind. I will not exchange kind words for a reversion! I am sorry, that is not how it works out.

Muslims come in all flavor and it appears to me unbecoming of a Muslim to reduce another to one term. Abu baker as'sidiq and omar ibn ilkhtab were as different as can be. Even with force or gentility one must recogonize what a situation calls for.. at the end of the day we are all humans using our best judgement, we are not messengers and not sa7aba, thus you handle things your way and I mine..
Jazaki Allah khyran

 

[Jayda]

Funny, I always pictured you as a beater, and definately not a Slytherin

it was the sorting hat's fault!

 

[NoName55]

that is interesting... i know they are fiercely autonomous... what is mirpur like? is there a mirpuri language?

what is mirpur like?

just watch a western (cowboys) film and the town you see there is not much different to mirpur

is there a mirpuri language?

yes, it is a corruption of Punjabi and Kashmiri languages (since we border on edge of Punjab

i know they are fiercely autonomous...

no, much of population has emigrated now its full of refugees from India, Afghans and Punjabis

 

[Jayda]

was there a mirpuri ethnicity or clan before the afghans and punjabis arrived? or is the murpuri identity kind of a breakoff of the two?

 

[NoName55]

was there a mirpuri ethnicity or clan before the afghans and punjabis arrived? or is the murpuri identity kind of a breakoff of the two?

yes, Jat (and sub-categories) + some actual kashmiris

Jats are originally not from mirpur (but that is almost prehistoric lol) afghans are late arrivals and seem to have taken over as I could hardly find anyone I knew before

 

[NoName55]

"good" ole' wiki knows everybody

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jat_people

 

[KAding]

i do not mean offense... but that's not something you should have to ask...

I guess that is where the major disconnect is. Because that is not obvious to me at all. Maybe that is something that more atheists/agnostics have problems with and that is at the root of the problem? The inability to empathize on religious feelings. Simply not being capable of putting oneself in the shoes of a religious person.

Allow me to tell a little anecdote . This story reminds me of a small 'family crisis' we had over Christmas . In the last few years my sister has turned into something of a devout Christian, while everyone in the family is quite fiercely atheist. Nevertheless we always participate in some of the idolatry and rituals that surround Christmas, so we have a nice Christmas tree and a miniature 'nativity scene' (not sure what it is called in English , I mean something like this).

When my brother got home he apparently felt a bit rebellious and decided to show it by turning baby Jesus upside down in his crib oh:. He thought it was an innocent jest to show his disapproval of all the religious overtones in the house. But my sister completely freaked out. She was totally upset and after a whole bunch of screaming how the devil had taken over the house she simply left the house to cool off. We weren't even sure if she was even coming back. Eventually she did turn up and apparently had told herself that God taught her to be forgiving, and that is what she did. In the end everything turned out fine and the mood around Christmas table was fine.

Anyway, it just shows how sometimes people that don't believe simply fail to comprehend how important some things are to religious people, even if it is just symbolism. My brother did not have intention to upset or hurt my sister, he would never do that, we all know that, it's just not in his character. For him it was not a serious act. He was unable to foresee this escalation and he felt incredibly bad after my sister had stormed out. Not to say this 'incident' is comparable with the one discussed in this thread, I simply don't know the details, but it might well be. Remember that many non-religious people are essentially handicapped when dealing with religion. They simply fail to comprehend it, it just confuses them.

 

[Jayda]

yes, Jat (and sub-categories) + some actual kashmiris

Jats are originally not from mirpur (but that is almost prehistoric lol) afghans are late arrivals and seem to have taken over as I could hardly find anyone I knew before

where do Jats come from?

 

[NoName55]

where do Jats come from?

"good" ole' wiki knows everybody

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jat_people

 

[Jayda]

gracias i will read this

 

[*Hana*]

Good point! I know vegetarians who make their choice on very deep, moral and spiritual grounds.

Hmmm... interesting thought.

:muddlehea

Now, why exactly, would you find that interesting? Is one more deserving of respect than another?

Would it be just as amusing to hand an alcoholic vegetarian a pound of bacon and bottle of wine? Or would that just be offensive?

Rather than trying to teach us Muslims how to behave in a manner that is acceptable to you, how about you teaching people to treat others with respect? How about you explain to these idiots how their behavior is not acceptable, how their behavior is offensive rather than telling the offended that they should not be offended.

For whatever reason, that is what you cannot seem to understand. Even when I exaggerated the examples (which I said I did in my very first post), you totally missed the point because you just had to justify this guy's behaviour. You are so focused on wanting to blame the Muslim for being offended, you simply cannot see how this is no different than the other scenarios presented.

Do you not understand this is NOT about Muslims and Islam....it is about justifying bigotry and disrespect REGARDLESS of faith.

I give up. Inshallah, when you have calmed down you will have a better understanding of the point I was trying to make. You don't have to agree with it, but right now, you're nowhere near the purpose of my post. You're more concerned with how bad Muslims look to others and how you are a defender of Islam. :?

Good luck to you.

Hana

 

[NoName55]

gracias i will read this

de nada wa salam (and peace)

 

[*Hana*]

I guess that is where the major disconnect is. Because that is not obvious to me at all. Maybe that is something that more atheists/agnostics have problems with and that is at the root of the problem? The inability to empathize on religious feelings. Simply not being capable of putting oneself in the shoes of a religious person.

Allow me to tell a little anecdote . This story reminds me of a small 'family crisis' we had over Christmas . In the last few years my sister has turned into something of a devout Christian, while everyone in the family is quite fiercely atheist. Nevertheless we always participate in some of the idolatry and rituals that surround Christmas, so we have a nice Christmas tree and a miniature 'nativity scene' (not sure what it is called in English , I mean something like this).

When my brother got home he apparently felt a bit rebellious and decided to show it by turning baby Jesus upside down in his crib oh:. He thought it was an innocent jest to show his disapproval of all the religious overtones in the house. But my sister completely freaked out. She was totally upset and after a whole bunch of screaming how the devil had taken over the house she simply left the house to cool off. We weren't even sure if she was even coming back. Eventually she did turn up and apparently had told herself that God taught her to be forgiving, and that is what she did. In the end everything turned out fine and the mood around Christmas table was fine.

Anyway, it just shows how sometimes people that don't believe simply fail to comprehend how important some things are to religious people, even if it is just symbolism. My brother did not have intention to upset or hurt my sister, he would never do that, we all know that, it's just not in his character. For him it was not a serious act. He was unable to foresee this escalation and he felt incredibly bad after my sister had stormed out. Not to say this 'incident' is comparable with the one discussed in this thread, I simply don't know the details, but it might well be. Remember that many non-religious people are essentially handicapped when dealing with religion. They simply fail to comprehend it, it just confuses them.

Actually, I completely understand this, and have had similar things happen to me where it was a completely lack of understanding. Those things don't bother me in the least and I just simply explain why it's not a good idea, etc. But, what this guy did was a deliberate act of disrespect. It's not like his family invited him for dinner and the menu contained pork and wine with them not knowing.

Anyway, glad everything worked out in the end and you were able to enjoy a nice dinner.

Hana

 

[*Hana*]

I just went back to read the article because I assumed I missed the reaction of the Muslim, considering I couldn't remember what it was.

There was no reaction from him. :? Unless I missed that.

So, if he didn't react, I now I have to ask how this turned into be "Muslims shouldn't be so thin skinned" stuff. How do we know it was the Muslim that brought it to the attention of upper management? Maybe, just maybe someone with an ounce of decency was as disgusted as I would have been and reported the incident!

How would opinions change, if at all, if it was determined that the matter was brought to the attention of senior management by fellow officers who disgusted by this act?

Hana