U.S. Presidential Election 2008: Obama and Huckabee

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tomtomsmom said:
Whoa dude retract the claws a bit:giggling:

Ok, so she is a liar. Can you show me a politician who isn't? Yes, that is a serious question. I am not being sarcastic. I have never seen one. I try to follow politics to a certain degree but it really makes my brain hurt. That is why I seem to ask dumb questions (like why you feel she is so bad) because I can't keep up. If you have time and feel like it, I would like for you to elaborate on what about her policies that you don't like.
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[VERY LARGE TALONS RETRACTED] :) LOL

Sorry I didnt mean to come off that way, anyways maybe I can elaborate without typing her autobiography

Immigration: voted for amnesty to illegals in our country, voted for chain immigration which would allow all of the illegals families to also enter legally, voted against a border control system, including the fence, consistently demonstrated her desire for foreign labor in an economy that is already full of it. Now that she is running for pres. she is saying she wants to act tougher on illegal immigrants, when her prior actions reflect exactly the opposite.

Healthcare: I probably shouldnt have said that I dont like her position on this, however, I dont think she has allowed the public to know exactly what her plan covers, I do like the idea of only having to pay a percentage of your income towards it though, the only thing is what is the percentage? I would also like to know would this be a government takeover of insurance companies, which is a big question since insurance companies account for i think something like 1/9 of the total economy. Who do you pay the premium to and what medical facilities will take it? This is really one of my main issues with Clinton, everything is vague so it can go whichever way she wants to later when she is in a debate, that is until she gets pounded on about it like she did in some of the earlier debates.

Iraq: WHAT IS HER POSITION ANYWAYS? Does she have an exit strategy? Does she intend to stay or go? Who the heck knows because depending on the group she is in front of she changes her stance.

Foreign Policy: She has no intention on trying to engage some of our "diplomatic enemies" if you will... She has interests in Saudi just like Bush and her husband did. However, this isnt as big of a deal to me as the next one is, domestic policies particularly our...

Economy: If her idea is like her husbands (which I would assume it is since she has publicly stated numerous times that she "yearns" for her husbands economy), taxes will go up for the middle and lower classes, which at this point in time would effect everyone since national debt, bankruptcies and forclosures are at a crisis point in my opinion. Because of her foreign policies our trade deficit will only increase causing more problems for the average worker. Now all this while she claims to support the average Joe... Tell me how that is right?

OH AND LETS NOT FORGET THE PLANTING OF AUDIENCE MEMBERS AT HER Q&A SESSIONS
 
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Cognescenti said:
Are you one of those who hates Bush? If he wants to hate Hillary let the man have his fun. :D

As for me, I don't hate her. I just don't want her to be President. :smile: As for her crying before the New Hampshire primary, I am not convinced that wasn't planned to get more women to vote for her. :'( Cliinton, Inc seems to plan everything.




Here is an idea. Why don't we just get rid of stupid labels like that? Ironically, partly as his father was African and not African-American, he is regarded with some suspicion by African-American voters and gets less support from them than does Hillary.
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I don't hate Bush. (cover my head) I just don't like him very much. Well, not really at all. But like I said hate is such a strong word. It implies that you want something bad to happen to the person. I don't wish bad things to happen to the man or his family. His wife actually seems like an intelligent person (if you overlook who she married). If people want to hate Clinton that is their choice. Opinions are like butt holes. Everybody has one and most of them stink!
I am just trying to gain more information on why people don't want her to be president. So if you so feel inclined you can explain why you don't. I was just looking on Edwards site and I really like the healthcare plan he has on there. If it will really happen, who knows. But as a non-insured person, it is nice to see that there is a detailed plan already instead of saying "yeah we are gonna do something about it but we just aren't sure what yet"




As for the whole color issue, I agree. It would be nice for labels to disappear completely. My son, almost 7, knows nothing of "black" people. In his young mind anyone who isn't the same as him is brown. Which makes sense if you think about it. I personally have never seen black skin that wasn't on a burn patient.
 
MTAFFI said:
[VERY LARGE TALONS RETRACTED] :) LOL

Sorry I didnt mean to come off that way, anyways maybe I can elaborate without typing her autobiography

Immigration: voted for amnesty to illegals in our country, voted for chain immigration which would allow all of the illegals families to also enter legally, voted against a border control system, including the fence, consistently demonstrated her desire for foreign labor in an economy that is already full of it. Now that she is running for pres. she is saying she wants to act tougher on illegal immigrants, when her prior actions reflect exactly the opposite.

Healthcare: I probably shouldnt have said that I dont like her position on this, however, I dont think she has allowed the public to know exactly what her plan covers, I do like the idea of only having to pay a percentage of your income towards it though, the only thing is what is the percentage? I would also like to know would this be a government takeover of insurance companies, which is a big question since insurance companies account for i think something like 1/9 of the total economy. Who do you pay the premium to and what medical facilities will take it? This is really one of my main issues with Clinton, everything is vague so it can go whichever way she wants to later when she is in a debate, that is until she gets pounded on about it like she did in some of the earlier debates.

Iraq: WHAT IS HER POSITION ANYWAYS? Does she have an exit strategy? Does she intend to stay or go? Who the heck knows because depending on the group she is in front of she changes her stance.

Foreign Policy: She has no intention on trying to engage some of our "diplomatic enemies" if you will... She has interests in Saudi just like Bush and her husband did. However, this isnt as big of a deal to me as the next one is, domestic policies particularly our...

Economy: If her idea is like her husbands (which I would assume it is since she has publicly stated numerous times that she "yearns" for her husbands economy), taxes will go up for the middle and lower classes, which at this point in time would effect everyone since national debt, bankruptcies and forclosures are at a crisis point in my opinion. Because of her foreign policies our trade deficit will only increase causing more problems for the average worker. Now all this while she claims to support the average Joe... Tell me how that is right?

OH AND LETS NOT FORGET THE PLANTING OF AUDIENCE MEMBERS AT HER Q&A SESSIONS
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I just visited her site, and though very nice, it did seem very vague. As far as immigration goes I am very torn on the subject. While I don't agree with people coming here illegally, I know how hard it is to get citizenship. Most people don't realize how long it really takes and how much it costs. For example my husband and I have been working for over a year (with about 2 more to go) and paid over $3,000 so far for him to become a citizen. When it is all said and done it is going to cost us nearly $8,000. For some people that may not sound so bad. But for most that is a huge amount of money and it doesn't just appear out of thin air.
 
tomtomsmom said:
I just visited her site, and though very nice, it did seem very vague. As far as immigration goes I am very torn on the subject. While I don't agree with people coming here illegally, I know how hard it is to get citizenship. Most people don't realize how long it really takes and how much it costs. For example my husband and I have been working for over a year (with about 2 more to go) and paid over $3,000 so far for him to become a citizen. When it is all said and done it is going to cost us nearly $8,000. For some people that may not sound so bad. But for most that is a huge amount of money and it doesn't just appear out of thin air.
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Her site is nice isnt it? kind of reminds me of the poison dart frog.

$8,000 doesnt seem like very much over the course of a few years to pay in order to become a full citizen of this country. Especially when you consider that every illegal mexican woman that is in our country and has a child gets free healthcare at the cost of tax payers, which amounts to over 8,000 bucks each time. In fact, I would say it sounds like a great deal in order to become a citizen of one of the greatest countries to live in on earth. Doesnt it frustrate you that these people avoid the same system you and yours are working hard to do legitimately? As far as the time it takes to complete, to me that doesnt seem to out of line either, it takes time to do background checks and observe the individuals behavior, ya know? I dont want a bunch of people coming in the country committing crimes and then having to jail them and pay for them, it is much more cost effective to deport them.
 
MTAFFI said:
Her site is nice isnt it? kind of reminds me of the poison dart frog.

$8,000 doesnt seem like very much over the course of a few years to pay in order to become a full citizen of this country. Especially when you consider that every illegal mexican woman that is in our country and has a child gets free healthcare at the cost of tax payers, which amounts to over 8,000 bucks each time. In fact, I would say it sounds like a great deal in order to become a citizen of one of the greatest countries to live in on earth. Doesnt it frustrate you that these people avoid the same system you and yours are working hard to do legitimately? As far as the time it takes to complete, to me that doesnt seem to out of line either, it takes time to do background checks and observe the individuals behavior, ya know? I dont want a bunch of people coming in the country committing crimes and then having to jail them and pay for them, it is much more cost effective to deport them.
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LOL poison dart frog!


Like I said, many people think that $8000 isn't a lot to have to pay. But when you don't have that extra money to spend it might as well be a million dollars. It is a hard choice to make when you have to decide if your rent gets paid or your lawyer does. Does it frustrate me that people avoid doing it. Hell yeah. As a matter of fact it thoroughly pisses me off. I can't help but think that if more people did it instead of going around the system, that it would cost me less money and time to make sure my husband gets to stay with me. And after all is said and done, they can still reject his application and he would be deported. I think that if someone illegal commits a crime, they should be deported. We shouldn't have to pay for them to stay here. I would much rather my tax dollars be spent on a one way plane ticket. I don't think that illegals should be allowed to get government assistance at all. If they don't pay taxes, they shouldn't get help. There are thousands of US citizens that need help and can't get it because there in no money to help them. That isn't fair. I understand why people think that every illegal should be deported. But at the same time, it is a lot different when it is someone you love who can possibly meet that fate. It gives you a different perspective.
 
tomtomsmom said:
***DUMB QUESTION ALERT***


What the heck is a mulatto??
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Mulatto (Portuguese or Spanish mulato, "small mule", "person of mixed race", ultimately from Latin mūlus, "mule") is a person who has both black and white ancestry. It can also be used as an adjective to describe something as a light brown color.
 
tomtomsmom said:
I don't hate Bush. (cover my head) I just don't like him very much. Well, not really at all. But like I said hate is such a strong word. It implies that you want something bad to happen to the person..
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I do! Why you may ask? He is responsible for the deaths of thousands if not millions in the Middle East. Innocent people who had nothing to do with the conflict. Including USA soldiers. (Well him and Blair) So I'd wish him and Dick (how appropriate) Cheney and croonies to perish as others have for the sake of oil!

Gur Fateh.
 
ricardo_sousa

Mulatto (Portuguese or Spanish mulato, "small mule", "person of mixed race", ultimately from Latin mūlus, "mule") is a person who has both black and white ancestry. It can also be used as an adjective to describe something as a light brown color.
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That is a very ugly word. There is no need for such name calling.


AvarAllahNoor

I do! Why you may ask? He is responsible for the deaths of thousands if not millions in the Middle East. Innocent people who had nothing to do with the conflict. Including USA soldiers. (Well him and Blair) So I'd wish him and Dick (how appropriate) Cheney and croonies to perish as others have for the sake of oil!

Gur Fateh.
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That is the difference between people who hate and people who strongly dislike. For me to wish terrible things on him makes me no better than he is. He will pay for what he has done one day. But it will not be because of me. That is more burden than I want to bear.
 
ricardo_sousa said:
no it isn´t. Is a common designation where I live. Is like saying white, black, mulatto.. what´s racist?
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Where are you from? Where I come from it would be the same as calling a black person a n*gg*r or a mexican a sp*c. It isn't very nice and it would be considered racist. But slang is different in every country. But now that you know that many would consider that offensive, perhaps you could refrain from using that word:D
 
wilberhum said:
Ya, I think you have a bigoted attitude. I don't think it is a change in definition, I think it is your inability to analyze what you said.
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Bigot: One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

My stance on Hillary Clinton is that she is a robot public speaker without much in the way of charisma. No, I don't agree with her politics at all, but that wasn't the point of my statement. I said watching Hillary "cry" is like watching a robot trying to imitate human emotion. If I am a bigot perhaps you are as much of a bigot for calling me a bigot...using your own defintion.
 
Only reason I'd support Ol Hillary, is because of her husband he was an astounding president, and his political tical influence is great. (minus the personal history of Clinton)
 
ricardo_sousa said:
Mulatto (Portuguese or Spanish mulato, "small mule", "person of mixed race", ultimately from Latin mūlus, "mule") is a person who has both black and white ancestry. It can also be used as an adjective to describe something as a light brown color.
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Well... "Eurafrican" is not as racist as "Mulatto"...
 
Keltoi said:
Bigot: One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

My stance on Hillary Clinton is that she is a robot public speaker without much in the way of charisma. No, I don't agree with her politics at all, but that wasn't the point of my statement. I said watching Hillary "cry" is like watching a robot trying to imitate human emotion. If I am a bigot perhaps you are as much of a bigot for calling me a bigot...using your own defintion.
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Now is that being a good Christian? :(

Is anything you have said about Hillary Christian?
 
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