Debate: Quran or Bible, which is god's word?

[Amadeus85]

yep as i said, part of the torah is in the bible (i.e old testament) but its kind of ironice, that for u its important to reject the revelation of our prophet(pbuh)(as u said) and for us muslims its vital to accept the fact that jesus(on whom be peace) and moses(on whom be peace) were given the revelation

Yes but for Sikhs too I guess. Dont they respect Muhammed and others as prophets?Or maybe Im wrong, Im not expert in sikhism.
Also Bible tells us not to believe in prophets who may come after Christ.You know the verses about falce prophets and stuff.. .

 

[Amadeus85]

there was a joke said about this, we believe in ur messenger, so if u go in heaven we will go to
but since u dont believe in our messenge,r and if we go to heaven(inshallah) u wont

We also believe in Muhammad's existence. But not in his claimings that he was the prophet of God.

 

[جوري]

the Jews actually reject Jesus and so do the mandaeans, who believe that John the Baptist was the Messiah and in fact speak perfect Aramaic still to modern day!
but I am curious show me one passage in the bible that reads like any chapter in the Quran, style, context, meaning, poetry.. I would like to see where the bible mentions Ahel el-kahf, or zho-elqrnyen, or prophet luqman, or erum, or A'ad, or thamud, or qawm to'ba3, or suras like 80 – 'Abasa (He Frowned)

81 – At-Takwir (Shrouding in Darkness)

82 – Al-Infitar (The Cleaving Asunder)

83 – Al-Mutaffifin (Those Who Give Short Measure)

84 – Al-Inshiqaq (The Splitting Asunder)

85 – Al-Buruj (The Great Constellations)

86 – At-Tariq (That Which Comes in the Night)

87 – Al-A'la (The All-Highest)

88 – Al-Ghashiyah (The Overshadowing Event)

89 – Al-Fajr (The Daybreak)

90 – Al-Balad (The Land)

91 – Ash-Shams (The Sun)

92 – Al-Layl (The Night)

93 – Ad-Duha (The Bright Morning Hours)

94 – Ash-Sharh (The Opening-Up of Heart)

95 – At-Tin (The Fig)

96 – Al-'Alaq (The Germ-Cell)

97 – Al-Qadr (Destiny)

98 – Al-Bayyinah (The Evidence of the Truth)

99 – Az-Zalzalah (The Earthquake)

100 – Al-'Adiyat (The Chargers)

101 – Al-Qaria'ah (The Sudden Calamity)

102 – Al-Takathur (Greed for More and More)

103 – Al-'Asr (The Flight of Time)

104 – Al-Humazah (The Slanderer)

105 – Al-Fil (The Elephant)

106 – Quraysh

107 – Al-Ma'un (Assistance)

108 – Al-Kawthar (Good in Abundance)

109 – Al-Kafirun (Those Who Deny the Truth)

110 – An-Nasr (Soccour)

111 – Al-Masad (The Twisted Strands)

112 – Al-Ikhlas (The Declaration of [God's] Perfection)

113 – Al-Falaq (The Rising Dawn)

114 – An-Nas (Men)


I mean if we are comparing to the 'morman' book which is nothing but the bible all over again here are their basic beliefs, seem to me like a faction of christianity:

BASIC BELIEFS:

God is our Heavenly Father. He loves us and wants us to return to Him.
Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He is our Savior. He redeems us from death by providing the Resurrection. He saves us from sin as we repent.
Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, we can return to live with God if we keep His commandments.
The Holy Ghost helps us to recognize truth.
The first principles and ordinances of the gospel are faith in Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism by immersion, and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost.
The Church of Jesus Christ has been restored to the earth.

thus I ask, show me how the Quran is like the bible?!


peace!

 

[جوري]

Also Bible tells us not to believe in prophets who may come after Christ.You know the verses about falce prophets and stuff.. .

Then why do you follow the false prophet (paul)?
peace

 

[Amadeus85]

but I am curious show me one passage in the bible that reads like any chapter in the Quran, style, context, meaning, poetry.. I would like to see where the bible mentions Ahel el-kahf, or zho-elqrnyen, or prophet luqman, or erum, or A'ad, or thamud, or qawm to'ba3, or suras like 80 – 'Abasa (He Frowned)

I dont mean about the same passages and poetry.I am christian and I believe in the revelation in Bible.So in my humble opinion,if in another book appears persons or situations from the Bible, I believe that it must be taken from Bible. For example persons like Moses,Abraham,Salomon or Jesus.I also believe that the story of Adam and Eve are also in Quaran, and others taken from Old Testament.
I wanted to answer the question asked in this topic.So i did it.I didnt want to to change into longer discussion however.Maybe its strange for you, but I think that faith is not the matter of facts given by others to persuade you that your belief is false and mine is right.But ratter for me faith is a matter of God's grace.Some have it and some maybe dont.Thats why for me its not necessary to participate in theological discussion to proof this and proof that.Its just that I am sure of something and this is a fact for me.I think that its a God's grace.I hope you know what I mean.

I mean if we are comparing to the 'morman' book which is nothing but the bible all over again here are their basic beliefs, seem to me like a faction of christianity:

There was a thread about this where i gave some informations.Its in comperative religions too.

 

[Amadeus85]

Then why do you follow the false prophet (paul)?
peace

It is from your muslim persective. . Also sikhs have their own perspective and hindus too and budhists too. And scientologists with Tom Cruise think that i also follow the wrong path and I should change. Everyone has own perspective.

 

[جوري]

I dont mean about the same passages and poetry.I am christian and I believe in the revelation in Bible.So in my humble opinion,if in another book appears persons or situations from the Bible, I believe that it must be taken from Bible. For example persons like Moses,Abraham,Salomon or Jesus.I also believe that the story of Adam and Eve are also in Quaran, and others taken from Old Testament.

The nature of those figures differs tremendously from what you find in the bible.. Jesus (P) himself in the Quran was said to have spoken as an infant, when Mary(p) brought him back, people thought her a woman of ill-repute, how did she stay in their midst and was accepted still as a righteous woman? the bible has no reference or indirect mention as how that took place.. there is no borrowing there. The Quran stands on its own grounds...you can however accept that it is truth based on the nature and what we know of christ or reject it. Same argument can be made by the Jews who simply believe the bible borrowed those characters only to exalt one of them to a Godly status, which in and of itself isn't in concert with monotheism, further they too believe that there are no holy books after the Torah, save for the 'talmud' which were their re-interpretation of passages. To them there is no 'New Test. there is only the Torah.. it is up to the individual to read, compare/contrast and draw their own conclusion.
But I see no use in calling something false, if such a statement is made on whim, rather than facts! And by fact I mean to be skilled in exegesis as to prove that point!

I wanted to answer the question asked in this topic.So i did it.I didnt want to to change into longer discussion however.Maybe its strange for you, but I think that faith is not the matter of facts given by others to persuade you that your belief is false and mine is right.But ratter for me faith is a matter of God's grace.Some have it and some maybe dont.Thats why for me its not necessary to participate in theological discussion to proof this and proof that.Its just that I am sure of something and this is a fact for me.I think that its a God's grace.I hope you know what I mean.

I do indeed.. and can respect not wanting to get into a long debate, I myself am suffering from the flu, and bed ridden, don't wish to get into a long winded debate, where nothing is gained. My whole point is you've used incorrect reasoning to make your point. If you were to make the statement that the Quan was borrowed by a false prophet you'd have to back it up..
sort of like when a scientest wants to defend his thesis.. he can't simply give a theory and not give recorded observations or explain a specific set of phenomena from data gathered... because then anyone can write anything!




cheers

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

(Plays Devils Advocate)

In my view, neither is the word of God, as it's been written by men and not the Prophets themselves....

 

[glo]

Salaam/peace;

but if the writers were inspired by God ,why it's wrong to say that Bible is God's word ??

I didn't say that it was wrong to refer to the Bible as 'God's word'. Many Christians do, myself included.

But it is not God's word in the sense of being God's dictated word, as the Qu'ran claims to be.
Please read my previous post again:

Christians do not believe the Bible to be God's directly dictated word (as Muslim's do with the Qu'ran). The Bible is the story/history of God's people and his message to us, written by many people over a long period of time - people who were (as Keltoi says) divinely inspired to do so.
In that sense I don't think there is any point in comparing the Bible and the Qu'ran at all.

Peace

 

[truemuslim]

oh purest ambrosia u just posted all the surahs i memorize.lol....


anyway...lol avarallahnoor... the bible is written by ppl who wanna be famous...the jew book is written by jews who have no life.. and the quran is written by allah.. we got proof frum the bible, and the quraan that jesus isnt god..and yet they still refuse...allah can pick u up and show u HOW he made the planets and make u die and come back like 50 times...and u wud still refuse...thats whats wrong with ppl these days...:muddlehea

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Yes but for Sikhs too I guess. Dont they respect Muhammed and others as prophets?Or maybe Im wrong, Im not expert in sikhism.

I am....

Yes Sikhs respect Prophets of other religions.

ਸਵਾ ਲਾਖੁ ਪੈਕਾਬਰ ਤਾ ਕੇ ॥

Savā lākẖ paikābar ṯā kė.

And hundreds of thousands of prophets of God exist.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Neither.

 

[جوري]

Quran is the synergy and criterion to what preceeded it...
there are five books that are God's word, and only one of them has maintaned its integrity!

peace

 

[Yerpon]

Quran is the synergy and criterion to what preceeded it...
there are five books that are God's word, and only one of them has maintaned its integrity!

peace

No. I believe there were more than 5 books that are God's word. There were 124000 prophets. We know only few (mostly Semetics) of them. Yes, only the Quraan is kept pure.

Peace

 

[snakelegs]

but not all prophets were given books, were they?

 

[Yerpon]

but not all prophets were given books, were they?

Some of the prophets of Allah were given books but not all.

 

[Omari]

but not all prophets were given books, were they?

Whoa, im back from dubai and im so happy this thread was approved

Peace, snakelegs, here is an answer to your question.

There are four main books sent down from God:

Taurait (The Old Testament) which came to Hadrat Musa (Moses) (peace be upon him).

Zabur (Psalm) on Hadrat Daood (David) (peace be upon him).

Injeel (The New Testament) on Hadrat 'Isa (Jesus) (peace be upon him).

Qur'an al-Karim to Prophet Muhammad .

Peace
Omari

 

[جوري]

you forgot the scrolls of Abrahaem

 

[Omari]

Rules Update

 

[Omari]

you forgot the scrolls of Abrahaem

ah ofcourse, AND the suhuf-i-ibrahim.

wasalam