Debate: Quran or Bible, which is god's word?

[Omari]

The Quraan has verses that concur with modern established scientific facts, and evidence that proves that it is a divine revelation, are there any such verses in the bible?

 

[truemuslim]

ah ofcourse, AND the suhuf-i-ibrahim.

wasalam

oooh thats from the one surah.. hold up lemme remember... suhafi ibarahima wa musa ... is it from al-takwir?? ..

...all those other books are a word of god... but all have been changed in the words to a different thing and beliefs... except of course the quraan al- karim

 

[Omari]

oooh thats from the one surah.. hold up lemme remember... suhafi ibarahima wa musa ... is it from al-takwir?? ..

...all those other books are a word of god... but all have been changed in the words to a different thing and beliefs... except of course the quraan al- karim

Ofcourse , allah says in the quran [15:9] It is We Who have sent down the Reminder and We Who will preserve it. (Surat al-Hijr: 9)

peace

 

[snakelegs]

Whoa, im back from dubai and im so happy this thread was approved

Peace, snakelegs, here is an answer to your question.

There are four main books sent down from God:

Taurait (The Old Testament) which came to Hadrat Musa (Moses) (peace be upon him).

Zabur (Psalm) on Hadrat Daood (David) (peace be upon him).

Injeel (The New Testament) on Hadrat 'Isa (Jesus) (peace be upon him).

Qur'an al-Karim to Prophet Muhammad .

Peace
Omari

thanks - i didn't realize that psalms are considered a book of their own.
p.s. hope you enjoyed dubai!

 

[Whatsthepoint]

The Quraan has verses that concur with modern established scientific facts, and evidence that proves that it is a divine revelation, are there any such verses in the bible?

Yes.
There are such verses in all major scriptures.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

thanks - i didn't realize that psalms are considered a book of their own.

Me neither. Why is that?

 

[Omari]

Why is what?
wether they are considered as books and why?

Or why don't you realize it either?


:S

Peace
Omari

 

[snakelegs]

why are psalms considered a separate book? (they are part of what christians call the old testament)

 

[جوري]

Zabur was given to David (p) he is a seperate messenger, they were later incorporated into the bible..

peace

 

[snakelegs]

oh, ok. thanks. actually, i think it's often published as a separate book.

 

[جوري]

I'd give more insightful answers except I feel under the weather.. I am not sure if it is a cold or evolving into something more sinisters oh I feel so achy.. my cyber foes are rejoicing imsad

 

[Omari]

get well soon?

 

[snakelegs]

I'd give more insightful answers except I feel under the weather.. I am not sure if it is a cold or evolving into something more sinisters oh I feel so achy.. my cyber foes are rejoicing imsad

it is your punishment for delivering unsuspecting me right plunk in to calvary chapel on the other thread! laying:

 

[snakelegs]

I'd give more insightful answers except I feel under the weather.. I am not sure if it is a cold or evolving into something more sinisters oh I feel so achy.. my cyber foes are rejoicing imsad

it is your punishment for delivering unsuspecting me right plunk in to calvary chapel on the other thread! laying:

 

[truemuslim]

I'd give more insightful answers except I feel under the weather.. I am not sure if it is a cold or evolving into something more sinisters oh I feel so achy.. my cyber foes are rejoicing imsad

lool funny pic... get well soon...

 

[Heera Singh]

Yes but for Sikhs too I guess. Dont they respect Muhammed and others as prophets?Or maybe Im wrong, Im not expert in sikhism.
Also Bible tells us not to believe in prophets who may come after Christ.You know the verses about falce prophets and stuff.. .

Yes, Sikhs acknowledge that there are other prophets, saints, God-Conscious Souls etc...

(Plays Devils Advocate)

In my view, neither is the word of God, as it's been written by men and not the Prophets themselves....

Agreed...

In Re: to the bible

Christians affirm a belief on a book written thousands of years ago, which by evidence has been exposed and used by so many for their own political benefits. They believe in a book that it has not remained unscathed by the attempts of many over the ages to alter, delete and otherwise modify the contents. God would not allow HIS word to be altered...

The book was not written by Jesus, but many years after his death... christians believe every man is with sin, so why is man of sin compiling the 'word of God'? If God wanted 'His Word' to be written, the 'son of God' would have written it himself, not regular humans... Also, why are only some things taken out of the old testament and put into the new testament? seems like they're pickin and choosing what they wanted..

The Bible might have been 'inspired' by Jesus... but was most definitely not the Word of God, rather the Word of Man...

In Re: Qura'an

Also after Prophet Mohammads passing... compiled with a lot of stories and 'revelations' told by the Prophet, but didn't begin to be compiled until several years after Prophet Mohammad's death.. also compiled by regular 'man'... self-proclaims as having the last prophet and being the last religion... how can that claim hold tru? since several religions sprouted up after Islam..

There is no way to prove that Man did not add his own 'writings' into the Qura'an (as in the Bible).. therefore cannot be stated as the Word of God...

(please correct me if i'm wrong)

 

[Whatsthepoint]

There is no way to prove that Man did not add his own 'writings' into the Qura'an

I think you're about to get an extensive reply to this one..

 

[Heera Singh]

Perhaps... but we're all here to learn... maybe I can learn something I didn't know before...

 

[AntiKarateKid]

Yes, Sikhs acknowledge that there are other prophets, saints, God-Conscious Souls etc...



Agreed...

In Re: to the bible

Christians affirm a belief on a book written thousands of years ago, which by evidence has been exposed and used by so many for their own political benefits. They believe in a book that it has not remained unscathed by the attempts of many over the ages to alter, delete and otherwise modify the contents. God would not allow HIS word to be altered...

The book was not written by Jesus, but many years after his death... christians believe every man is with sin, so why is man of sin compiling the 'word of God'? If God wanted 'His Word' to be written, the 'son of God' would have written it himself, not regular humans... Also, why are only some things taken out of the old testament and put into the new testament? seems like they're pickin and choosing what they wanted..

The Bible might have been 'inspired' by Jesus... but was most definitely not the Word of God, rather the Word of Man...

In Re: Qura'an

Also after Prophet Mohammads passing... compiled with a lot of stories and 'revelations' told by the Prophet, but didn't begin to be compiled until several years after Prophet Mohammad's death.. also compiled by regular 'man'... self-proclaims as having the last prophet and being the last religion... how can that claim hold tru? since several religions sprouted up after Islam..

There is no way to prove that Man did not add his own 'writings' into the Qura'an (as in the Bible).. therefore cannot be stated as the Word of God...

(please correct me if i'm wrong)

Miss, you are fooling only yourself, to be blunt, if you say that there is no way to ascertain that it is the word of Allah. This is just one of the many authentic sites which prove it is. By the way, not one scholar of the Bible maintains that it has not been changed.

http://www.iol.ie/~afifi/BICNews/Sabeel/sabeel3.htm

Not one real scholar disputes that it is indeed the same one that the Prophet (pbuh) memorized. See the evidence and correct your mistake. No Muslim could ever add or take out verses from the Quran as it would condemn him in the eyes of Allah. You would also do well to learn about WHO in fact compliled the Quran for the Ummah. They were the Prophet's ( Pbuh) companions and many many many other people who had devoted their whole lives to the QUran and its memorization and would rather have been killed than change the words of the Prophet ( pbuh). If there were differences they would have immediately been identified.

I understand that the existence of your religion hinges on maintaining that the Quran is not the word of Allah and that it was changed at some point or another. But it has not been changed. The Quran we have today has been preserved perfectly. More learned people than I can expound upon it. Allah himself has stated that he will protect it's integrity for all time. Do you disagree with Allah?

[15:9] Absolutely, we have revealed the reminder, and, absolutely, we will preserve it.

In the VERY BEGINNING of the Quran:
2:1 "This is the Book (Qur'an) wherein there is no doubt."

Similarly noone doubts that of all the religions, the Quran is the only one that explicitly states that it is the final revelation. And justly so, the other books have lead to the culmination of this perfect religion.

"This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion."

-- Qur'an 5:3, revealed upon the plain at Ghadir e Khum


http://www.islamicboard.com/quran/7712-preservation-quran.html

 

[Sanaullah]

بِسْمِ اللّهِ الرَّحْمـَنِ الرَّحِيمِ ​

The Noble Qur'an or the Bible, which is God's Word? Well let us examine what each scripture claims for itself, this should be the starting point for any such discussion. Allah says in the Qur'an:

وَمَا كَانَ هَـذَا الْقُرْآنُ أَن يُفْتَرَى مِن دُونِ اللّهِ

This Qur'an is not as such as can be produced by other than Allah (Yunus 10.37)

أَفَلاَ يَتَدَبَّرُونَ الْقُرْآنَ وَلَوْ كَانَ مِنْ عِندِ غَيْرِ اللّهِ لَوَجَدُواْ فِيهِ اخْتِلاَفًا كَثِيرًا

Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy. (an Nisa 4.82)

The Qur'an is therefore a very special book, a revelation that can come from none other than Allah Most High Himself.

Now what does the Bible claim for itself? "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" (2 Tim 3.16 KJV) Christians understand Scripture to include the books in their Bible from Genesis to Revelation. All of it without exception is considered to be divinely inspired, though written by mortals with the power of the holy spirit. However, this claim of the Bible can easily be invalidated by Paul himself, who authored a great deal of the Bible, when he wrote: "That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting." (2 Cor 11:17 KJV)