Debate: Athiest's VS Christians VS Muslim

[Skavau]

who said i'm gettin madd??? and wha's 'strawmen'???

A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. Often, the straw man is set up to deliberately overstate the opponent's position. A straw man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact a misleading fallacy, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

u said u want 'evidence', and then u say 'asking for proof is irrational'... asking for evidence IS asking for proof... u can check as many dictionaries as u want... ask as many english majors as u want... and still, u refuse to acknowledge that MAYBE u were wrong in that statement...

I'm an English teacher with a Master's Degree. You're wrong in this case, I'm afraid. There is a clear difference between evidence and proof.

Peace

 

[Mikayeel]

I have got a question to everyone who lacks the believe of a god!

You know when someone passes away, physically he is still there, what has left him?

 

[Skavau]

I have got a question to everyone who lacks the believe of a god!

You know when someone passes away, physically he is still there, what has left him?

Nothing has left him. His body has just completely shut down. The processes that kept him alive have stopped and he ceases to be.

 

[wilberhum]

I have got a question to everyone who lacks the believe of a god!

You know when someone passes away, physically he is still there, what has left him?

What happens to a piss ant when it passes away? :skeleton:

 

[Heera Singh]

We'll listen when you start citing evidence of your grand claims and stop engaging in non-arguements or fallacies.

You still havent cited evidence in your discussion with Skav, and you merely redifined what a miracle is when I called you on the amputee thing. Then you shifted your position again when you were called on it.

where have i redefined miracle??? nowhere have i done that... if u read above i clearly stated mircale has a 'broad' definition, and can mean diff things to diff people...

what evidence do u exactly want me to cite?? the miracles or the existence of God?

Greetings,


I'm an English teacher with a Master's Degree. You're wrong in this case, I'm afraid. There is a clear difference between evidence and proof.

Peace

well I've spoken to several English majors and what they say is not what u say... okay, perhaps 2 diff opinions... whats your definition of evidence? how can it be used in a context that is not in relation to 'proof'? whats the clear difference between the 2?

 

[Mikayeel]

Nothing has left him. His body has just completely shut down. The processes that kept him alive have stopped and he ceases to be.

Gosh i find that amazing!

We are basicly nothing? Since nothing is in us, in order to leave us?

Since we are just living cells, what makes one person evil, and one person good?

I have never heard of good cells, and bad cells!

The list continues....

 

[Skavau]

where have i redefined miracle??? nowhere have i done that... if u read above i clearly stated mircale has a 'broad' definition, and can mean diff things to diff people...

And your example of a miracle is someone getting an artificial limb. That is an incredibly low standard for a miracle. Your response to me pointing this out was to issue a set of strawman implying that I think things like being cured of polio and and being cured of cancer is also a low standard for a miracle.

I never said such was the case and you were either in error or being deliberately dishonest in trying to make out that I did.

We are basicly nothing? Since nothing is in us, in order to leave us?

I don't know how you concluded that. We are self-aware beings able to exercise choice and reason. We are not 'nothing'.

Since we are just living cells, what makes one person evil, and one person good?

Their beliefs and their actions.

 

[Mikayeel]

What happens to a piss ant when it passes away? :skeleton:

It stops moving....

Till the decomposers do there job..

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

well I've spoken to several English majors and what they say is not what u say... okay, perhaps 2 diff opinions... whats your definition of evidence? how can it be used in a context that is not in relation to 'proof'? whats the clear difference between the 2?

Of course, the words are often used in relation to each other, but then so are "football" and "goalposts", but that doesn't mean they have the same definition.

In a similar way to the examples I've used there, evidence may lead to proof. Proof is often the aim of collecting evidence.

Can you see the difference?

Skavau is asking for evidence so that he can make up his mind. He may have a massive change of mind, and decide that the evidence does indeed constitute proof, but then again, he may not.

Peace

 

[Mikayeel]

I don't know how you concluded that. We are self-aware beings able to exercise choice and reason. We are not 'nothing'.


Their beliefs and their actions.

If your bunch of cells in your body are self aware! Plus they have their own believe and can judge their own action. Then u have a slight problem, normal cells are not ment to do that!

Remember science is neither good nor bad! An intention has to be put in science in order to make it good or evil! So far i know cells have no intention to them!

 

[Skavau]

If your bunch of cells in your body are self aware! Plus they have their own believe and can judge their own action. Then u have a slight problem, normal cells are not ment to do that!

But the cells in my body aren't self aware.

Remember science is neither good nor bad! An intention has to be put in science in order to make it good or evil! So far i know cells have no intention to them!

I don't know what you're even talking about here.

 

[Mikayeel]

But the cells in my body aren't self aware.


I don't know what you're even talking about here.

huh? if your cells are not self aware, then what is ?? You are made of cells arent you?

Everyone is made up of cells, and since you said nothing leaves him(i.e a soul) he is just a bucnh of cells! Do you agree so far? so i could go and explain the next bit

 

[Skavau]

huh? if your cells are not self aware, then what is ?? You are made of cells arent you?

I am self-aware, not my cells. I am not plural.

Everyone is made up of cells, and since you said nothing leaves him(i.e a soul) he is just a bucnh of cells! Do you agree so far? so i could go and explain the next bit

Yes. So?

 

[Heera Singh]

what sort of evidence would u need stavau? i honestly don't know... i don't think anybody here can provide it... to one person the simple concept of 'life' is evidence enough... i could tell you that a God-centred man had fought of dozens of enemies with his head in his hand, would u believe that as evidence? if i told you that a man being sawed in half from head to toe, was still reciting praises of the Lord, even though his lips were in 2 different parts - wud u see that as evidence? what if i said a man was sat on a hot plate and continued to speak the Lords praises, and when he was lifted, not a mark was on him - wud u see that as evidence? i can go on and on... to me, these are clear signs of evidence (or proof) that there is an existence of God..

i'm curious, do you believe we all have souls or no?

 

[Skavau]

what sort of evidence would u need stavau? i honestly don't know... i don't think anybody here can provide it...

It is hard. Excluding empirical evidence (observation of God) and logical deduction to show how God is necessary - actually specifying what is evidence is very hard indeed.

to one person the simple concept of 'life' is evidence enough... i could tell you that a God-centred man had fought of dozens of enemies with his head in his hand, would u believe that as evidence?

Do you mean that metaphorically, as in - a God-centered man was a successful soldier or someone who literally fought his enemies with his head in his hand?

if i told you that a man being sawed in half from head to toe, was still reciting praises of the Lord, even though his lips were in 2 different parts - wud u see that as evidence?

Did that happen?

what if i said a man was sat on a hot plate and continued to speak the Lords praises, and when he was lifted, not a mark was on him - wud u see that as evidence? i can go on and on... to me, these are clear signs of evidence (or proof) that there is an existence of God..

Did that happen?

i'm curious, do you believe we all have souls or no?

No.

 

[Annie]

salams what do you think of Dawkins book, this is a question to the Atheists.

 

[Heera Singh]

Do you mean that metaphorically, as in - a God-centered man was a successful soldier or someone who literally fought his enemies with his head in his hand?

Literally speaking.. he was decapitated, and He continued to Fight with his head in his hand... after the battle was over, he launched his head and it landed at the most reveared shrine of Sikhs - Golden Temple. He was a martyr.. http://www.sikhiwiki.com/index.php/Baba_Deep_Singh

Did that happen?

yes..
http://www.srigurugranthsahib.org/guru-teg-bahadur/bhai-mati-das.htm

Did that happen?

yes.. i'll find a link for u soon...

 

[Heera Singh]

sorry... the last one i mentioned didn't happen exactly like that.. the body WAS scathed, but no pain was felt.. my apologies... but the story can be read here..

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php?title=Martyrdom_of_Guru_Arjan

 

[Trumble]

salams what do you think of Dawkins book, this is a question to the Atheists.

If you mean 'The God Delusion' (he has written several, on assorted subjects) - not much. It has some good arguments in it, but also many not-so-good ones and I think it is essential in discussing such an issue that you also consider opposing points of view which Dawkins frequently doesn't do. And a preaching, 'fundamentalist' style always turns me off whichever side it comes from. There are better advocates, and cases, for atheism.