Will Sharia Law ever work in Britain?

[S_87]

Is this why non-muslims have no political rights under a shariah system? I guess black American had nothing to complain then back in the day. Ditto for women.

tell me what you mean by rights and ill get back at you for it....

women were liberated by islam whilst western women have only recently got rights to work, get inheritence, keep her own money, choose her own husband etc women were given all of that through islam....

 

[Isambard]

tell me what you mean by rights and ill get back at you for it....

women were liberated by islam whilst western women have only recently got rights to work, get inheritence, keep her own money, choose her own husband etc women were given all of that through islam....

Political rights. Non-muslims would have none.

A shame women are still considered second class citizens in many muslim countires today isnt it?

The west granted women full negative rights. Something islam still hasnt gotten around too.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Political rights. Non-muslims would have none..

they wouldnt?!

 

[crayon]

Political rights. Non-muslims would have none.

A shame women are still considered second class citizens in many muslim countires today isnt it?

Yes, yes it is.

The west granted women full negative rights. Something islam still hasnt gotten around too.

What do you mean by negative rights?

 

[krypton6]

A shame women are still considered second class citizens in many muslim countires today isnt it?

Nearly all "muslim" countries are poor, when a man has to chose between who to send to school, his daughter or his son? In the middle east stepping outside the door of your house will make you vourable, so the logical is to send the boy to school because he can defend himselve better.

Were it not for the west, muslims would be rich and would have enough money to send both the boy and the girl to school.

Something islam still hasnt gotten around too.

Are you awake!? There's a big difference between Islam and muslims!

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Nearly all "muslim" countries are poor, when a man has to chose between who to send to school, his daughter or his son? In the middle east stepping outside the door of your house will make you vourable, so the logical is to send the boy to school because he can defend himselve better.
Were it not for the west, muslims would be rich and would have enough money to send both the boy and the girl to school.

Could you name a couple of female muslim scientists, preferably those who lived and worked during the islamic golden age.

 

[crayon]

Oh, and not all muslim women are as "second rate" as you think. For example, as a daughter, when it comes to paying for my university education, I'm better off than my brothers. My dad is going to pay half the amount they need for university, while he's going to pay the whole tuition for me. This is because in islam, a man is expected to support himself, while a woman is to be supported by the closest male to her, be he her dad, brother, uncle, whatever. So I'm going to uni free of charge, while my brothers aren't.

But then again, "oppressed women in islam" is a whole issue we could get into, and which people probably already have on these forums, so this isn't the place. And even if women appear to be oppressed by muslims in "muslim" countries, that doesn't mean that's what islam says.

Peace out.

 

[Isambard]

What do you mean by negative rights?

Well, off the top of my head, a woman is free from being beaten under secular law, no matter how "lightly" it may be.

To kypton, this is an Islamic issue, not just a muslim one.

 

[krypton6]

Could you name a couple of female muslim scientists, preferably those who lived and worked during the islamic golden age.

As far as I know muslim men were responsible for the outside while woman were responsible the inside, but that had nothing to do with Islam, that was culture! Even during the islamic golden ages, people could not aford sending both boy and girl to school (not that there were any real schools), and the logical thing would be to send the boy to school because he would have to take care of his future wife and children, while the girl would be married and taken care of by another male.

As time went on the west evolved from poor to rich, but while they were evolving the east was being colonized (they still are) and robbed by the west, which explains why muslims are poor and cannot aford sending both boy and girl to school.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

As far as I know muslim men were responsible for the outside while woman were responsible the inside, but that had nothing to do with Islam, that was culture! Even during the islamic golden ages, people could not aford sending both boy and girl to school, and the logical thing would be to send the boy to school because he would have to take care of his future wife and children, while the girl would be married and taken care of by another male.

As time went on the west evolved from poor to rich, but while they were evolving the east was being colonized (they still are) and robbed by the west, which explains why muslims are poor and cannot aford sending both boy and girl to school.

Gender roles... Anotehr thing I dislike about Islam, no hard feelings.
You can't ahve colonialism as an excuse forever. Most of the world was colonized, yet some parts of it are quite evolved nowadays, including some muslim countries. And what about Germany or Japan? Countries totally savaged by war, forced to pay huge amounts of money to repay the damage tehy caused...are now one of the most prosperous nations in the world.

 

[crayon]

Well, off the top of my head, a woman is free from being beaten under secular law, no matter how "lightly" it may be.

To kypton, this is an Islamic issue, not just a muslim one.

Oh yes, western women are free from the horrific toothbrush beating, they're so lucky..:rollseyes

 

[wilberhum]

Re: It feels like life imprisonment

It isnt ruled islamically because of your country who have removed the democratic leaders that they used to have and then replaced them with your own men who will do anything that you tell them to do.
:-\ For the last 1400 years?
Every muslim wants the sharia,
You repeat that when there are Muslims on this forum who don't
if you dont want the sharia how can you call yourself a muslim? It seems that every post you make is pure bull****!
Compaired to your Moo Pow?

You really have no concept of reality.

 

[Isambard]

Oh yes, western women are free from the horrific toothbrush beating, they're so lucky..:rollseyes

Perhaps you should do a bit of reading before you comment. The allowance of beating has led to many cases of sever spousal beatings in the middle-east.

that couple with gender roles is evidence that Islam itself discriminates based on sex.

This of course means Islam doesnt grant rights to women, it grants privilages (which are very different) to certain groups.

 

[crayon]

I'm sure you've been on these forums long enough to know that islam neither advocates nor condones severe (and by severe I mean anything harder than with a tooth brush) beating. You don't need someone to tell you again. If you do, however, I'd be happy to elaborate.

But if you mean that by simply allowing "beating" islam has commited a grave mistake, since people are bound to go further than beating with a toothbrush, then by your logic, alcohol should be illegal, as it has caused tons of drinking related accidents, murders, rapes, etc. Am I right?

 

[Isambard]

I'm sure you've been on these forums long enough to know that islam neither advocates nor condones severe (and by severe I mean anything harder than with a tooth brush) beating. You don't need someone to tell you again. If you do, however, I'd be happy to elaborate.

But if you mean that by simply allowing "beating" islam has commited a grave mistake, since people are bound to go further than beating with a toothbrush, then by your logic, alcohol should be illegal, as it has caused tons of drinking related accidents, murders, rapes, etc. Am I right?

Islam allows beatings period. There is discrimination based on sex. Ditto for having harems.

No matter how you wish to spin it or justify it, Islam is not about rights, its about privilages.

 

[Mikayeel]

Alsalaamu 3alekum

I would say it will will work! I know that for sure, as for the none muslims, let the shari3a law be done for a period of time (a trial) so everyone will see that it will perfectly work!

 

[root]

Alsalaamu 3alekum

I would say it will will work! I know that for sure, as for the none muslims, let the shari3a law be done for a period of time (a trial) so everyone will see that it will perfectly work!

You are such a funny guy. Go figure. If it was so perfect it would be all over the Isalmic world. The last true Islamic state was Afghanistan with those Taliban. Yeah, it was perfect eh!!!!!

Besides the UK is secular, our bloody history has taught us. Religion is like homosexuality. Do whatever you like in your own home, don't impose it on us thanks.

 

[Uthman]

Hello Isambard,

Islam allows beatings period.

Interpretation again. The arabic word used is 'Daraba'. It can be translated in many ways including 'beat'.

When a word has so many connotations, it is important to examine it's use and application in context. In this case, within the context of Islam.

To translate 'Daraba' as 'beat', would be inconsistent and in contradiction with other Islamic beliefs and values. There are a multitude of ahadith which teach Muslims how to behave when angry and how to treat women e.t.c.

Therefore, 'beat' is not a viable translation.

More linkage: http://www.islamicboard.com/refutations/33209-wife-beating.html

Note that I am speaking as far as I know, so although I believe that I am right, I accept the possibility of being wrong.

Anyway, off-topic lol.

 

[S_87]

Political rights. Non-muslims would have none.

A shame women are still considered second class citizens in many muslim countires today isnt it?

The west granted women full negative rights. Something islam still hasnt gotten around too.

can you give me some examples of what rights you are speaking of?

some ignorant men both in the east AND west treat women like second class citizens, to both extremes. under islamic law they do not stand a chance. which is why youve seen some people say there is no shariah country today...

 

[Noora]

oh yes women in the west have many rights....they are treated a first class citizens, paid the same as mens wages, not exploited as sex objects, never get beaten by men, men always take responsiblity of the women the impregnate etc etc,the list can go on and on...some people in the west are very dellusional. If women have rights in the west then give me shariah any day...