Did Allah create life?

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Non comprehende! How could He have created life? (I am asking only for the logic. I am not unfairly asking you for the science.)

LOL!!! HAHAHAHA u gimme jokes. Ur asking how the Most Powerful could have created life?! Ur asking how the creator could have created life?! Think about wot ur asking man!

 

[K.Venugopal]

thats hindu belief, but if you mean he created everything, then yeah ! but you cant go up to a chair and think its God just because God created it

God did not create the chair - man did. But man could not have but for God. Therefore surely there is God in the chair.

 

[crayon]

In this regard Prophet Muhammad, may the blessing and mercy of God be upon him, was reported by Ibn ‘Abbaas to have said:“Reflect on the creation of God but do not reflect on God.”

To reflect on the reality of God is to reflect on the infinite. And, as the mind boggles when it reflects on the limits of the finite universe and the galaxies and stars within it, it will be more confounded when it attempts to understand the uncreated. The Prophet, may God praise him, warned that the satanic forces would seek to introduce doubts in the hearts of the believers by raising unanswerable questions about God. Aboo Hurayrah related that God’s Messenger, may the blessing and mercy of God be upon him, said:

“Satan will come to everyone of you and ask: Who created this and that? - until he questions: Who created your Lord? When he comes to that, one should seek refuge in God [say: I affirm my faith in God and His prophets] and avoid [such thoughts].”

Found that on a website. source

That's not the proper way to argue.
As I can say the same thing for you! But I won't..
PS: so far, I have not received a satisfactory answer as to why did god create the creation.

As for the reason Allah created creation, we muslims have an insanely simple answer to a question most people spend their lives trying to answer, and rarely succeed.

"I have created the jinn and humankind only for My worship." (Qur'an, 51:56)

 

[K.Venugopal]

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Lol ur just tryna confuse us man.... take ur ideas where they're appreciated, coz they aren't here!

Are you saying all Muslims think alike?

 

[crayon]

God did not create the chair - man did. But man could not have but for God. Therefore surely there is God in the chair.

Man created the chair, right? So by your reasoning, there is surely man in the chair, yes?

 

[Muezzin]

So are you saying Allah is dead?

No, I'm saying he's simply 'not alive' in the way we understand it. For something to be dead, it must once have lived.

If you see where I am going, then we are likely to travel together. When you think of Allah in terms of consciousness etc. well, you are treading Hindu grounds. Or maybe Sufi grounds?

That's just my own personal understanding/sense of it. I don't wish for this to become a sectarian debate.

 

[K.Venugopal]

God always was, is and always will be


God created everything and wasnt created.


God doesnt need to be a part of his creation.

God cannot but be a part of creation for the simple reason that life is not divisible.

 

[K.Venugopal]

"God created almost every single thing in this world" basically implying God didn't not create himself and nor was he created.

And that 'almost every single thing' excludes life. Yet the Quran says God created life. Where is the error?

 

[K.Venugopal]

Hi Venu...

Who created Shiv ? Do u have answer for that ....?

Hinduism says, "Truth is one and the wise express it variously." Shiv is an expression of the Truth.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

A fantastic insight. Quintessential Hinduism.

Hehe, I wasn't trying to say god resides in chairs, I was merely pointing out taht god, who created everything, would have to be a part fo that everything, which I think is impossible.
Now, god may as well reside in chairs, if he exists. I think omnipresence comes with omnipotence.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

And that 'almost every single thing' excludes life. Yet the Quran says God created life. Where is the error?

Allah may have been refering to life in an earthly way or he amy have used life as a meatphor for living organisms.
God may not be alive in the way we understand it, it's posible he is not alive, who says existence must include life?
:embarrass

 

[K.Venugopal]

He created human life?

It says in the Quran He created life. It also says that he created a human form in clay and blew life into it.

 

[K.Venugopal]

do you think the life of the omnipotent and the life of the created is the same?!

its just a case of the supreme creating the lesser...

Life-forms are different - but the life within is one. When forms cease to have life, then the forms are dead. But life can never die. Life may appear to be different when in different forms. But there is only one life.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

As for the reason Allah created creation, we muslims have an insanely simple answer to a question most people spend their lives trying to answer, and rarely succeed.

"I have created the jinn and humankind only for My worship." (Qur'an, 51:56)

God is self-sufficient, yet he wants (or needs, basically the same) worship?
If god were self-sufficient, he would not have created anything...he would not have done a single thing, as taht woudl imply there was a reason, a necessity for it, which is in contradiction with a perfect, self-sufficient being.

 

[K.Venugopal]

Life = human, life = animals, life = vegetation. - What are you reffering to?

Life = Indian, life = Chinese, life = American - but isn't life life - one and the same?

 

[K.Venugopal]

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YES and He created Death

Surah 67.2 of the Quran:
YUSUFALI: He Who created Death and Life, that He may try which of you is best in deed: and He is the Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving;-

How could Allah have created death? Death is simply the absence of life. Death does not exist. Death cannot exist. To be dead is to cease to exist. This makes the Quranic ayat even more erroneous.

 

[K.Venugopal]

:salamext: The Hindu faith certanly doesn't! Worshipping idols who cannot help you or themselves whats that about then lol

One person is an Allah worshipper and another is an idol worshipper. As Allah helps his worshippers, the idols too are helping its worshippers. There are probably more idol worshippers than Allah-worshippers. Without some benefits both camps would have been bereft of worshippers. So let's accept the dictum - to each his own way.

 

[K.Venugopal]

Allah is beyond human understanding, if it really was so simple to understand Allah as a being or as a creator, then we wouldn't bo too behind would we. Science hardly knows the complete functioning of the body, there are still some parts of it that are a mystery. There are places in the world which are not understood by humans. There are creatures in the world that we do not know of. There have been creatures in the past which we won't even have heard of...

And thats only on this earth... what about the planet and the planets in our solar system, what about the millions of planets in our galaxy - the milky way...

then there are the millions of other galaxies - which contain millions of more stars...

And thats only what is visible to us, even with telescopes as good as the hubble telescope... we have no idea what lies ahead, behind and on either side of us...

Now that we come to it, we have not the slightest clue of even an atoms worth of knowledge that this universe conceals!!...

This human humility is endearing. In fact this humility has been the mother of all the knowledge man has gathered through the innumerable generations he has lived.

And only Allah knows how many more universes that there maybe...which we can't even comprehend...

The knowledge of Allah is undefineable... so how can we even TRY to define Allah

And in the midst of humility comes our certainity about Allah. A certainity that tends to arrogance when it is suggested that all knowledge is contained in the Quran.

 

[K.Venugopal]

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LOL!!! HAHAHAHA u gimme jokes. Ur asking how the Most Powerful could have created life?! Ur asking how the creator could have created life?! Think about wot ur asking man!

I repeat, I am asking for your logic, not Allah's science.

 

[crayon]

God is self-sufficient, yet he wants (or needs, basically the same) worship?
If god were self-sufficient, he would not have created anything...he would not have done a single thing, as taht woudl imply there was a reason, a necessity for it, which is in contradiction with a perfect, self-sufficient being.

That question is answered quite well here:
"Allah has honored humans by creating them to be His vicegerents on earth. He gave us free will, which makes us higher than the angels.

But our minds as human beings are limited to the boundaries of human perception. We should bear this in mind and never try to bother ourselves with things that fall outside of our scope of understanding. Allah did not need to create us, and therefore, we may never understand why He did.

Yes, Allah is perfect. Yes, He has no need of us; rather, we need Him. When He created us, He did not create us for His own benefit, but for ours. He created us for our advantage, not His.

Allah does not need to be worshiped; rather, we need to worship Him. Our need of God stems from our innate need of someone to help us and give us safety.

Our purpose of existence on earth is more meaningful than being slaves to worldly gains. There can be no meaningful life better than that prescribed by our Creator, Allah. Every act done according to Allah's way is an act of worship. Man is the beneficiary and Allah is in no need. The Qur’an says what means:

*{O mankind! It is you who stand in need of Allah, but Allah is Rich [Free of all wants and needs], Worthy of all praise.}* (Fatir 35:15)

We need Allah to feel our own being and to taste the happiness of life. Our need for Him is like the need of a baby for a supporting father and a merciful mother. We need to admit our powerlessness before Him and to trust Him to give us might and power, since He is the source of all might and power. A prophetic tradition reads:

“O Allah, I seek refuge in You for Your pleasure and against Your wrath and in Your forgiveness and against Your punishment and in You from You. I cannot praise You as You can praise Yourself.” (Reported by Muslim, Abu Dawud, At-Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah.)

Almighty Allah says what means:

*{Allah is He besides Whom there is no god, the Ever-Living, the Self-Subsisting by Whom all subsist; slumber does not overtake Him nor sleep; whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His; who is he that can intercede with Him but by His permission? He knows what is before them and what is behind them, and they cannot comprehend anything out of His knowledge except what He pleases, His knowledge extends over the heavens and the earth, and the preservation of them both tires Him not, and He is the Most High, the Great.}* (Al-Baqarah 2:255)"

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