Did Allah create life?

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^ ur question has been answered matey, if u look through the thread.

I have to agree with this statement. This discussion is interesting; for once people are being good and respectful to one another. :statisfie

As for the statement about Allaah needing a creator, which was mentioned a couple of pages ago, that's a logical fallacy. Allaah is the originator of all things; he is independent and does not need anything from any of the dwellers of the universe. Unlike his creations, whom depend on him for everything.

If Allaah has a creator, then it's a cycle, the creator of Allaah must have a creator, and so on and so forth. It's a cycle that never stops. Therefore, Allaah does not need a creator because he does not have a beginning or an origin.

After that if u dont understand it, u need help.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

All Religions believe Allah created life. Refute that.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Don't you see what you're saying is just nonsense.
If everything needs a creator, then even god needs a creator.
If god doesn't need a creator, what is the reason for that, and why couldn't that reason possibly apply to the universe in general?

(Coz I sed so!"£! isn't a reason by the way)

God exists, not merely as an idea or concept, but as a Real Entity, indescribable yet knowable and perceivable to anyone who is prepared to dedicate the time and energy to become perceptive to Gods persona. The God: For the believer God is too real and obvious to need any logical proof.

"'God is beyond colour and form, yet His/Her presence is clearly visible"' (GG, 74), and again, '"Nanak's Lord transcends the world as well as the scriptures of the east and the west, and yet He/She is clearly manifest'" (GG, 397).

 

[Whatsthepoint]

All Religions believe Allah created life. Refute that.

1. not all religions are theistic
2. not all are monotheistic
3. some claim god and life are one and the same
4. some claim it was not god who created the material world
etc etc

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

4. Some claim it was not god who created the material world
etc etc

Elaborate please. I've not heard of any that claim this.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Elaborate please. I've not heard of any that claim this.

Here's one:
http://altreligion.about.com/library/faqs/bl_yezidi2.htm

 

[FatimaAsSideqah]

Its just vicious circle! I think the answer been given.

If it keeps carry on, then I will asking the mods or admin to closed this thread.

 

[Azy]

{QUOTE=Sister-Ameena*]As for the statement about Allaah needing a creator, which was mentioned a couple of pages ago, that's a logical fallacy. Allaah is the originator of all things; he is independent and does not need anything from any of the dwellers of the universe. Unlike his creations, whom depend on him for everything.[/QUOTE]

^ ur question has been answered matey, if u look through the thread.

This is not a proof or an answer, it is simply repeating the claim that god is an independent eternal creator.

So far what you have told me :
1) Everything needs a creator
2) The creator doesn't need a creator

It doesn't take a PhD in philosophy to work out that these two statements are incompatible. So far you haven't given me anything but emotive hand-waving to explain why certain things need a creator and others don't.

 

[aadil77]

mate if your still not satisified ask God himself in a prayer or on the day of judgement:thumbs_up,
we believe God is the most high, almighty and above all things - so we tend not to question such things,

 

[Uthman]

All that we know about Allah is the "What" i.e. his attributes.

With regards to the "How", that is far beyond man's limited abilities of comprehension.

 

[Muhammad]

and Greetings,

I am not sure whether this thread is getting anywhere despite valid answers being given, and I have been asked to close the thread for that reason.

If I can summarise, there are only 3 possibilities as to how we came into being:

1. We were created from nothing. Nothing can come from "nothing", therefore this must be false.

2. We created ourselves. We know this is not true, or else we would be able to prevent ourselves from dying.

3. We were created. And this must have been by a Creator, thus we are obliged to accept whatever He says.

The question, "who created the creator" is itself wrong. Following from the above, let us ask what is the origin: the existence of the Creator or the non-existence of the Creator?

If you say it is the non-existence of the Creator, then how did creation come about?
The origin must therefore be the Creator - Allaah, Exalted be He, exists with no beginning nor end.

And with 16 pages of God-knows-what, I doubt there is much more to be said on the matter.

Thread Closed.