Did Allah create life?

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Hamada said:
No no no, never would I say that. I am just going with the majoraty (People with no faith or believe are far more likely to kill them self. At the end of the day if ur life is not worth living due what ever kind of problems then suicide could b an optinion because there is no life after death...)

Religious people in my eyes r muslims btw! I dnt no about other religions, but ofcourse muslims get depressed some even get as far as suicide!

A minoroty though! That will ever get as far as Suicide. They perhaps weren't good muslims at all, otherwise they would of not killed them self.
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Can you provide evidence/studies to support your claims?
 
No not all, I am saying that muslims themselfs are less likely to commit suicide, it could of been the none muslims.

All these countries at the top have a high number of atheists.
 
Hamada said:
No not all, I am saying that muslims themselfs are less likely to commit suicide, it could of been the none muslims.

All these countries at the top have a high number of atheists.
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Depends on what you percieve as high. I don't think there's a country in the world where the number of atheists exeeds the number of adherents to the biggest religion in the country. The percentage of muslim population of Khazakstan is greater than the percentage of atheists in any country in the world. The percentage of atheists in Luthania, supposedly the most suicidal country in the world, is lower than that of many countries at the bottom of the list.
And a higher percentage of the atheist popualtion is not the only factor common to all countries on top of the list. 8 out of 10 are post socialistic (and socialism is not only about atheism), going trough transition, some are still underdeveloped. There are many factors taht affect people to comit suicides.

What I want you to do is to find a psychological study, preferably a couple of tehm, that have showed that atheists are more liekly to comit suicide.
 
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Hamada said:
The (few) muslim countries on there happens to have alot of none muslims!
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the ones with higher muslim rate are not on the list. They may have a very high suicide rate, they just do not make stats about it.
Crime, suicides etc by country stats are not the most reliable stats you'll come across, as they only show the amount of reported cases of offences/suicides etc per capita. Not everything gets reported or gets misreported, especially in under developed countries. I think suicide may be one of the best examples of this.
 
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Whatsthepoint said:
What's the islamic reply on this one:

it's just my reply...

God is not created, he did not create himself.

Allah is not created, that is correct...

At least one thing in existence is not created (by god).

Allah is above the realm of our existence, everything that exists as creation was created by Allah...

God is not the creator of all things.

Allah, nowoothubillah is NOT a thing!

The question itself arouses some new questions, which I'll try to do later..
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it's not hard...
 
Dr.Trax said:
All of this evidence leads us to the conclusion that the universe works with a certain "consciousness". What, then, is the source of this consciousness? Surely it is neither the living nor the non-living beings in it.
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We see the incredible complexity as well as the perfection of creation and wonder who created it all. We say a certain Allah created it and do not allow ourselves to wonder who created Allah. We are satisfied with the answer that Allah always existed. If Allah, a posited creator, can always exist, why could creation not have always existed?

When you say the universe works with a certain "consciousness", are you saying that the universe is conscious to a certain extent? Which would be to say that we, as parts of the universe, are also conscious to a certain extent. Of course, we are. So can we now assume that you and I, as individuals, have the 'consciousness' that the universe has in a greater measure? If you agree this far, it might not be difficult to see that total consciousness resides in that which is beyond the universe. We might call the total consciousness Allah. The best way, therefore, to know Allah is to begin with our consciousness and connect to the consciousness of Allah. This is the course open through meditation. And it also means that we, who are in essence our consciousness, are no different from Allah, who is consciousness itself. We, Allah and us, are of a kind. We are sparks while Allah is the fire. In short, we, the creation, are in essence no different from Allah. We have to know ourselves to know Allah.

Allah’s creation is only Allah’s manifestation. Islam does not recognize this. I would, most humbly, submit that this is Islam’s failing. Hinduism recognizes this (that creation is actually a manifestation) and this might explain why my thread (that Allah could not have create
 
My above post should continue: . . . and this might explain why my thread (that Allah could not have created life) does not seem to be largely acceptable in this forum.
 
K.Venugopal said:
Allah’s creation is only Allah’s manifestation. Islam does not recognize this. I would, most humbly, submit that this is Islam’s failing. Hinduism recognizes this (that creation is actually a manifestation) and this might explain why my thread (that Allah could not have create
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What on earth do you mean by that? Manifestation? that creation IS God? :omg:

The creation is a sign for us of what God is capable of doing - His Might, Power, His ability to create out of nothing, the awe and beauty of it all...

and this might explain why my thread (that Allah could not have created life) does not seem to be largely acceptable in this forum.
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The thread is not unacceptable, what's unacceptable is the fact that the question has been answered time and time again, even by many non-Muslim members, and you still don't get it!
 
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Don't you think this thread has served its purpose?!?!
 
Allah’s creation is only Allah’s manifestation.
Malaikah said:
What on earth do you mean by that? Manifestation? that creation IS God? :omg:
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Allah could not have created life. Many posts by Muslims in this thread have said that Allah is eternally alive. No Muslim would agree to the thesis that Allah does not have life. Therefore Allah could not have created life. Further, He could not have conducted the miracle of creation without life, for creation is essentially about life. Therefore, the only explanation of how 'creation' came about, with the major ingredient, life, never been created, is that Allah manifested as His creation. We speak of the creator as if He is not part of what we call creation because we have not fathomed deep into the miracle of existence. This is probably because our quest of understanding often remains at the level of belief.
 
Allah, nowoothubillah is NOT a thing!
YusufNoor said:
it's not hard...
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Depends on how you interpret "all things". I wouldn't say a human being is a thing, yet the Quran suggests so..
Anyway, if an omnipotent being did not create everything there is, its omnipotence could be questioned. And your Allah did not create everything, as he did not create himself.
It all rather depends on interpretation of things like omnipotence, everything..
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Allah, nowoothubillah is NOT a thing!

Depends on how you interpret "all things". I wouldn't say a human being is a thing, yet the Quran suggests so..

you can see it feel it and touch it, can't you?

Anyway, if an omnipotent being did not create everything there is, its omnipotence could be questioned.

me doubts non-believers need excuses to question Allah's omnipotence...

And your Allah did not create everything, as he did not create himself.

but "creation" implies something that had to begin and iAllah s NOT a part of creation, so every created thing was created by Allah; and He is my Allah AND your Allah whether you choose to recognize it or not...

It all rather depends on interpretation of things like omnipotence, everything..

how about: if you had to be created, then you're not omnipotent!
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Peace be upon those who follow the guidance,

doubt needs no reason or excuse if you refuse to see the truth. the "not wanting to see the truth" will actually prevent you from seeing it, unless Allah, Subhannahu Wa Ta' Aala decrees otherwise...

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YusufNoor said:
Peace be upon those who follow the guidance,

doubt needs no reason or excuse if you refuse to see the truth. the "not wanting to see the truth" will actually prevent you from seeing it, unless Allah, Subhannahu Wa Ta' Aala decrees otherwise...

:w:
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I've heard that before...Well, it may be true, but then it's Allah's fault if I don't see the truth. Very unfair this Allah of yours is. BTW: by saying your Allah, I am refering to your version of god, not god himself, should he exists.
As for the rest of your post: it seems we differ in interpretation/understanding of many things.
Are molecules things? I can't see them, feel them, touch them...
Well, I do not believe in a god, and as everyone, I try to justify my positions. I don't think you can disporove god's existence though, that's why I'm an agnostic.
It doesn't say he created everything created, it says he created all things, or every thing, according to the literal translation.
Tehre are many god-puzzles.
 
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Whatsthepoint said:
I've heard that before...Well, it may be true, but then it's Allah's fault if I don't see the truth. Very unfair this Allah of yours is. BTW: by saying your Allah, I am refering to your version of god, not god himself, should he exists.
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Nope, it your own fault (not you specifically obviously). Allah hardens a persons heart because of their own evil actions.
 
Malaikah said:
Nope, it your own fault (not you specifically obviously). Allah hardens a persons heart because of their own evil actions.
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Well, that's one major difference between Islam and Christianity.
I hope Allah does not consider me evil.:embarrass There was a time when my heart was very open for Islam and it's miracles and that stuff... but then it passed away.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
I've heard that before...Well, it may be true, but then it's Allah's fault if I don't see the truth.

that's easy to say NOW, but on Qiyama not so much...

Very unfair this Allah of yours is. BTW:

there is nothing unfair about Allah, Subhannahu Wa Ta' Aala at all! He needs nothing from us and we are in desperate need of Him!

by saying your Allah, I am refering to your version of god, not god himself, should he exists.

[rhetorical question:] please explain MY version of Allah, Subhannahu Wa Ta' Aala! :)


As for the rest of your post: it seems we differ in interpretation/understanding of many things.
Are molecules things? I can't see them, feel them, touch them...

their existence can be shown...


Well, I do not believe in a god, and as everyone, I try to justify my positions. I don't think you can disporove god's existence though, that's why I'm an agnostic.

so maybe Allah, Subhannahu Wa Ta' Aala hasn't given up on you yet or maybe you just aren't ready! Allah, Subhannahu Wa Ta' Aala waited for the most perfect of times to bring me to Islam!(because He IS that fair! :D)

It doesn't say he created everything created, it says he created all things, or every thing, according to the literal translation.
Tehre are many god-puzzles.
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Peace be upon those who follow the guidance,

have you ever really read the Qur'an? with some Tafseer?


I hope Allah does not consider me evil.

We can all hope and pray for that!

There was a time when my heart was very open for Islam and it's miracles and that stuff... but then it passed away.
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May Allah, Subhannahu Wa Ta' Aala return it to you and keep it with you and not take you away unless He is pleased with you! AMEEN!

:w:
 
AhLÄÄM said:
Don't you think this thread has served its purpose?!?!
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I see you are getting impatient. So long as relevant posts occur, threads would continue. When posts cease, threads die a natural death, or, let's say, it gets burnt out. But not without leaving Islamic Forum a legacy of insights on various aspects of an issue.
 
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