Hezbollah declares Open War on Israel

[The_Prince]

Agree to what? I said we shall see manifestation of his statement. I am just concerned about innocent Lebanese who are caught in the middle of this dirty game called proxy war. What goes of Nasrallah? He has to appear on TV and just regret before his people as he did before. But I am sure he will not commit any mistake in future. I sincerely pray for the people of Lebanon that they don't have to suffer again because of such rhetorics turning into yet another conflict.

you said the taliban were 'true' fighters....the same taliban who send suicide bombers that leave 80 afgan civillians dead and ZERO nato forces dead????????

why dont we get all the stats of taliban suicide bombings, and look at the casualities, and compare the afghan civillian with NATO forces. your double standards and sheer hypocrisy is amazing i must say, and plz dont be so lame and say no no no that wasnt the taliban, that was natoooooo undercoverrrrrrrrrrrrrr! taliban themselves admit most of the suicide bombings we see that leave dozens of afghani civillians dead.

nasrallah is a very very brave men for saying what he did, i doubt the taliban will ever apologize for the hundreds of afghani civillians they kill in their supposed blessed operations.

and btw, i aint no american supporter neither, they are just as bad because they kill thousands of innocent afghani civillians, its very sad that the afghani ppl have no real resistence to protect them.

 

[The_Prince]

btw ahsan, the taliban a few months ago released a video of men with bombs strapped to their bodies, and the leader said that all these men will be going into europe, england, germany, france etc etc, hmmm many months have passed and i dont know about you, but i havent seen any taliban bombs in europe, have you?

you have a problem that its been 2 weeks since hezbollah declared war and nothing has happened, yet you have no problem when months have gone by since the taliban made claims of attack on europe, lol your on a roll i must say.

 

[Gator]

6 month old*

Yes the Israelis killed the 6-month old and numerous other children. I just thought it would be better if Hez were able to kill even younger babies. Maybe get lucky and hit a nursery with a rocket or something.

 

[ahsan28]

you said the taliban were 'true' fighters....the same taliban who send suicide bombers that leave 80 afgan civillians dead and ZERO nato forces dead????????

why dont we get all the stats of taliban suicide bombings, and look at the casualities, and compare the afghan civillian with NATO forces. your double standards and sheer hypocrisy is amazing i must say, and plz dont be so lame and say no no no that wasnt the taliban, that was natoooooo undercoverrrrrrrrrrrrrr! taliban themselves admit most of the suicide bombings we see that leave dozens of afghani civillians dead.

nasrallah is a very very brave men for saying what he did, i doubt the taliban will ever apologize for the hundreds of afghani civillians they kill in their supposed blessed operations.

and btw, i aint no american supporter neither, they are just as bad because they kill thousands of innocent afghani civillians, its very sad that the afghani ppl have no real resistence to protect them.

I never supported their wrong actions. But for the last 6 years they are resisting against foreign occupation in their humble capacity, unlike Narrallah who initiated the war himself and couldn't resist for 6 weeks even. No Taliban leader ever appeared on TV regretting the decision to fight. I am not a fan of zionists either but it is equally sad that Lebanese don't have real resistance to protect them. They only become target of proxy wars.

 

[ahsan28]

nasrallah is a very very brave men for saying what he did

I agree.

(Beirut, August 29, 2007) – During the 2006 war, Hezbollah fired thousands of rockets indiscriminately and at times deliberately at civilian areas in northern Israel, killing at least 39 civilians, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today. Human Rights Watch said that Hezbollah’s justifications for its attacks on Israeli towns – as a response to indiscriminate Israeli fire into southern Lebanon and to draw Israel into a ground war – had no legal basis under the laws of war.

Hezbollah rockets, some carrying anti-personnel steel spheres, repeatedly hit populated areas in northern Israel. Human Rights Watch found that numerous rockets were fired in which there was no apparent legitimate military target in the vicinity at the time of the attack, indicating that civilians were deliberately attacked.

http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2007/08/30/lebano16740.htm


They did try the same zionist tactics, but the rockets supplied by Syria and Iran were crude and thus unable to create the desired impact

 

[The_Prince]

I never supported their wrong actions. But for the last 6 years they are resisting against foreign occupation in their humble capacity, unlike Narrallah who initiated the war himself and couldn't resist for 6 weeks even. No Taliban leader ever appeared on TV regretting the decision to fight. I am not a fan of zionists either but it is equally sad that Lebanese don't have real resistance to protect them. They only become target of proxy wars.

actually hezbollah does protect the lebanease better than the taliban does, show me any hezbollah rocket or bomber killing hunderds of lebanease civillians????????

the taliban carry out their attacks against the afghani civllians!!!!!!!!!! the supposed ppl their supposed to be protecting, now how is that possible?

now you say you never supported their wrong actions and then go on to say their fighting in their 'humble' capacity as IF to show their wrong actions are mere small hiccups, are you serious? they have killed THOUSANDS of innocent afghani MUSLIMS, and this is what you call their humble way of fighting? plz dont try to minimize the talibans terrible wrong actions as mere hiccups.

they are not fighting humbly at all, unless you consider suicide and car bombings which leave hundreds of afghanis dead and zero nato forces!

and what is going in lebanon is not a 100% complete proxy war, lebanease land is occupied, lebanease prisoners are still being held in israel, so no it is not all about a proxy war. iran and syria just happen to support hezbollah through finances and weapons, just like USA supports israel with the weapons and finances.

if the taliban want to fight humbly let them simply carry out major offenses against NATO bases, and nato forces in open areas where no civillians are roaming, rather than using huge bombs in market places.

 

[The_Prince]

I agree.

(Beirut, August 29, 2007) – During the 2006 war, Hezbollah fired thousands of rockets indiscriminately and at times deliberately at civilian areas in northern Israel, killing at least 39 civilians, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today. Human Rights Watch said that Hezbollah’s justifications for its attacks on Israeli towns – as a response to indiscriminate Israeli fire into southern Lebanon and to draw Israel into a ground war – had no legal basis under the laws of war.

Hezbollah rockets, some carrying anti-personnel steel spheres, repeatedly hit populated areas in northern Israel. Human Rights Watch found that numerous rockets were fired in which there was no apparent legitimate military target in the vicinity at the time of the attack, indicating that civilians were deliberately attacked.

http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2007/08/30/lebano16740.htm


They did try the same zionist tactics, but the rockets supplied by Syria and Iran were crude and thus unable to create the desired impact

they actually did get the desired impact because over a million israelis were filled with fear and had to go into hiding, the rocket attacks are not meant to destroy israel, but are meant to create terror and fear amongst the israelis, to stop their lives, ruin their econamy, so they can feel what the palestinians feel, as well as what the lebanease feel.

now how inconsistent, you claim hezbollah attack civillians, yet you say the taliban HUMBLY fight as they can, so that means kidnapping aid workers and killing them? including the drivers? including killing journalists as well? plz be consistent, your biasness is so bad its not even funny.

secondly, hezbollah did not target any civillians. did you know each israeli from 18 and above are enlisted in the army as reserves? they are all technically soldiers. you keep going on about the lebanease civillians, do you know many of the lebanease civillians were KILLED by such reservists? the ppl you call innocent civillians!

one day they are selling dvd's, the next day they are firing shells in lebanon killing entire famillies, this is what you call a civillian? i think not. so no hezbollah did not target any civillian, they targeted israeli reservists living inside israel.

but again, lets assume they are civillians, what about the taliban killing aid workers, and their drivers?! and journalists?! and last but certainly not least, the thousands of afghani civillians???????????????

 

[ahsan28]

Well you can scan my entire posts. I never supported suicidal attacks. These are haram according to all the schools of jurisprudence. Where Talibans are wrong, I never support them. I condemn attacks on non-combatants in all form, may it be by the Talibans or Hezbollah. Islamic ruling is quite clear on the issue. Lebanon's land is being used by Iran and Syria since long. This is no hidden mystery, yet the sufferings are being faced by the innocent people who are not in the decision making loop. The zionists degraded almost the entire infrastructure in Southern Lebanon. They were in the dire need of an oppertunity and that was provided by Hezbollah by kidnapping their two soldiers. Whether invading the other country by the zionists on the plea of only two soldiers was justified or not, that is a separate story but we have to admit that the grounds were created by Hezbollah themselves.

My only contention was that war is a dirty business and must be avoided as much as possible, but if you take a stand, then it has to be firm at any cost. No regrets at a later stage.

 

[ahsan28]

but again, lets assume they are civillians, what about the taliban killing aid workers, and their drivers?! and journalists?! and last but certainly not least, the thousands of afghani civillians???????????????

You don't have to assume anything. Hezbollah did try to adopt the same tactics but they weren't succesful. Taliban's killings of non-combatants (Muslims / non-Muslims) are opposed to shariah ruling. Let there be no doubt about that. Wrong is wrong and must be admitted and condemned vigorously.

 

[The_Prince]

You don't have to assume anything. Hezbollah did try to adopt the same tactics but they weren't succesful. Taliban's killings of non-combatants (Muslims / non-Muslims) are opposed to shariah ruling. Let there be no boubt about that. Wrong is wrong and must be admitted and condemned vigorously.

so dont say the taliban fight "humbly" when you admit they are doing many haram acts, the 2 dont go together, in Islam there is no black and white, its either right or wrong, if its wrong theres nothing humble about it.

hezbollahs tactics of firing rockets were very succesful as they terrorized the terrorist zionists in the north, and sent them all into hiding, destroyed the econamy, and destroyed their supposed invincibility.

 

[Keltoi]

so dont say the taliban fight "humbly" when you admit they are doing many haram acts, the 2 dont go together, in Islam there is no black and white, its either right or wrong, if its wrong theres nothing humble about it.

hezbollahs tactics of firing rockets were very succesful as they terrorized the terrorist zionists in the north, and sent them all into hiding, destroyed the econamy, and destroyed their supposed invincibility.

So why couldn't the Taliban make the same claim about their suicide attacks? This whole conversation about who is better between the Taliban and Hezbollah is full of hypocrisy.

By the way, the only "success" Hezbollah had with firing hundreds of rockets a day was the justification it gave Israel to continue bombing rocket launching locations which were located in close proximity to apartment buildings.

 

[ahsan28]

so dont say the taliban fight "humbly" when you admit they are doing many haram acts, the 2 dont go together, in Islam there is no black and white, its either right or wrong, if its wrong theres nothing humble about it.

hezbollahs tactics of firing rockets were very succesful as they terrorized the terrorist zionists in the north, and sent them all into hiding, destroyed the econamy, and destroyed their supposed invincibility.

So what were the material gains? If I take your plea then Hezbollah should have launched a full scale invasion and captured atleast parts of northern Israel.

 

[The_Prince]

So what were the material gains? If I take your plea then Hezbollah should have launched a full scale invasion and captured atleast parts of northern Israel.

your entire foundation is built on a straw man. hezbollahs intention and plan was NEVER to attack or invade israel and take it over, for starters they dont have the capability to do that yet.

so what was their tactic? very simply, survive. they never intended for a major war, so therefore they were attacked, hence when your attacked your goal is to defend and make sure you dont fall or lose.

if hezbollah initiate a war with the intent of taking back the land, and failed to do so then you can say they lost. but israel went in for the war with complete objectives of: 1- rescuing the soldiers, 2- destroy hezbollah.

hence hezbollah's goals to those 2 objectives of israel will be :1- make sure the soldiers are not rescued, 2- fight israel to the end and make sure you dont get wiped out and completly destroyed like the egyption and jordanians in 67.

so based on these important FACTS, hezbollah won the war.

 

[The_Prince]

So why couldn't the Taliban make the same claim about their suicide attacks? This whole conversation about who is better between the Taliban and Hezbollah is full of hypocrisy.

By the way, the only "success" Hezbollah had with firing hundreds of rockets a day was the justification it gave Israel to continue bombing rocket launching locations which were located in close proximity to apartment buildings.

oh yes and the only good guys are the american soldiers, and the IDF right?

tell us keltoi, who are the good guys in the war, im very curious to know.

 

[Keltoi]

I seriously doubt the Israeli military had much hope of seeing those soldiers alive again.

 

[Keltoi]

oh yes and the only good guys are the american soldiers, and the IDF right?

tell us keltoi, who are the good guys in the war, im very curious to know.

Good guys? This isn't a movie. I don't care about Israel one way or the other, they can take care of themselves. The good guys are the people caught in the middle, who would rather not be drawn into a war because Hezbollah kidnapped soldiers and who would also rather not be in the blast radius of an Israeli missile strike.

 

[ahsan28]

so what was their tactic? very simply, survive. they never intended for a major war, so therefore they were attacked, hence when your attacked your goal is to defend and make sure you dont fall or lose.

They had already lost the game militarily and that prompted Nasrallah to accept the ceasefire immediately. Had not been the case, they would have loved to continue this stupid war. Don't try to hide the facts. Those zionists were right upto the banks of river litani and awaiting further orders for crossing and degradation of central Lebanon. I don't have any illusion in my mind that the whole drama was started by Hezbollah on the insistance of their so-called well wishers but when they realised the gravity of the situation, they were left with no choice except accepting ceasefire which was quite evident from the words of Nasrallah himself.

 

[ahsan28]

The good guys are the people caught in the middle, who would rather not be drawn into a war because Hezbollah kidnapped soldiers .

Exactly.

 

[The_Prince]

They had already lost the game militarily and that prompted Nasrallah to accept the ceasefire immediately. Had not been the case, they would have loved to continue this stupid war. Don't try to hide the facts. Those zionists were right upto the banks of river litani and awaiting further orders for crossing and degradation of central Lebanon. I don't have any illusion in my mind that the whole drame was started by Hezbollah on the insistence of their so-called well wishers but when they realised the gravity of the situation, they were left with no choice except accepting ceasefire which was quite evident from the words of Nasrallah himself.

actually in the last days of the war the fighting was getting more intense and the israelis were losing more tanks and soldiers, if they had stayed the course they would have lost many more. hezbollah never denied israel could enter the land, but once they did move in the real casualties for the IDF would begin, which is why the idf also accepted the ceasfire rather then moving in completly.

israel couldnt even hold any small villages near the border, they couldnt even enter the centres of the villages they attacked.

so wrong again, you claiming nasrallah accepted a ceasfire because he was about to be defeated or crushed is not true but just empty rhetoric based on your biased disdain for hezbollah, hezbollah were very very much capable of continuing the fight, infact had the ceasfire not come into affect the real war would have started on hezbollahs view.

the only reason hezbollah accepted the treaty was because there was huge pressure from the lebanease to stop the war, and that many were suffering so he ended the war to quell the pressure, and ease the suffering of the people.

again on the last day of the war hezbollah fired more rockets than they had done in the ENTIRE war, so hezbollah could have continued the fight, and you have no proof at all that they were on the verge of a loss and destruction.

again you argue straw man by claiming the israelis moved in and were moving further, hezbollah even said they knew israel could do this but the difference is is that when israel does it hezbollah guerilla forces would be there to cause havoc and heavy losses on the israelis.

 

[The_Prince]

On 12 August 2006 24 Israeli soldiers were killed; the worst Israeli loss in a single day. Out of those 24, five soldiers were killed when Hezbollah shot down an Israeli helicopter, a first for the militia.[80] Hezbollah claimed the helicopter had been attacked with a Wa'ad missile

this was just a few days before the ceasefire when israel was pushing in. this is enough proof of what further awaited the zionist terrorist if they kept pushing further inside, this is what hezbollah WANTED, to get israel into the web, and then start the real war.