Gang Rape / Rape

[Snowflake]

Sorry I misread your post.

CASTRATION! I guess it's a fair enough punishment.
To answer your question: if the upbringing was horrendous, then why not.

Background check proves nothing? I think not. Hence the name; check his background. It does more than nothing I can assure you.

Brother, I'm not bashing you at all lol. Please don't take it personally. I'm against your idea not you. Please forgive me if it seemed like a personal attack.

Back ground checks can only prove that the rapist had a bad upbringing, not the reason for commiting the rape. There are millions of people who've been brought up undesirably. If all of them were to rape due to that reason, none of us would be safe. A psychologist once said that it is impossible to read anyone's mind. They can only assess by what information they receive from that person. So, checks aren't a foulproof method of proving that a person's upbringing was to blame for the crime.

I never said emotionless - I said maybe he thought what he was doing was OK since everybody in his neighbourhood talked about it/did it. Do I really have to repeat over and over again

You did say 'emotionless' but I won't bother quoting it. You really think that somewhere in the world a place full of people exists who think it's ok to rape and they talk about doing it? And a poor brain-washed rapist then decides he wants to do it too? But we got to let him off cuz he was brought up in Rape County? Lol, that's just a really absurd notion you have.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I don't think anyone in their right mind would comit a rape. I agree with Ali, rapists are a product of different factors, ranging from domestic violence and school bullying to the lack of proper morals (...) in one's upbringing.
So I don't think they should be executed or anything like that. Chemical castration seems like a better idea, and jail time naturally.

how many witnesses (if any) are required in Islam for a rape to be proven and the rapist put to death?

 

[Ali.]

Brother, I'm not bashing you at all lol. Please don't take it personally. I'm against your idea not you. Please forgive me if it seemed like a personal attack.

Back ground checks can only prove that the rapist had a bad upbringing, not the reason for commiting the rape. There are millions of people who've been brought up undesirably. If all of them were to rape due to that reason, none of us would be safe. A psychologist once said that it is impossible to read anyone's mind. They can only assess by what information they receive from that person. So, checks aren't a foulproof method of proving that a person's upbringing was to blame for the crime.


You did say 'emotionless' but I won't bother quoting it. You really think that somewhere in the world a place full of people exists who think it's ok to rape and they talk about doing it? And a poor brain-washed rapist then decides he wants to do it too? But we got to let him off cuz he was brought up in Rape County? Lol, that's just a really absurd notion you have.

Background checks connote reasons for commiting the rape. Ofcourse it won't give you a definite answer as to why he did it.

Alright then, what do you think the reasons are if someone rapes someone?
No reason at all? Do you think he/she was just bored and decided to go outside and rape someone?
There is a reason behind everything, and that's why we do research on the guy; to find out that reason.

You really think that somewhere in the world a place full of people exists who think it's ok to rape and they talk about doing it?

I have met a guy who takes it as a joke and talks about rape/sex a lot of the time. And guess what? His parents separated when he was young, he's had a pretty harsh life, and some other personal stuff that I'm not going to say on this forum.

 

[crayon]

Does your friend know that rape is wrong?

 

[Al-Zaara]

I have met a guy who takes it as a joke and talks about rape/sex a lot of the time. And guess what? His parents separated when he was young, he's had a pretty harsh life, and some other personal stuff that I'm not going to say on this forum.

I too have to agree with brother Ali, I see his points and they do make sense.

I myself knew a while back a few guys who didn't see much bad in rape, they were in my class. It was shocking, but knowing their backgrounds which I did, their outlook on the subject was understandable at some level.

 

[Snowflake]

Ali.;927007]Background checks connote reasons for commiting the rape. Ofcourse it won't give you a definite answer as to why he did it.

Exactly! So without a definite answer which only the rapist knows, he could be let free on the basis of his upbringing. That wouldn't do justice to the victim and there'd be no deterrent effect on others. Therefore, even the first time offender should at least be chemically castrated - before he rapes again.

Alright then, what do you think the reasons are if someone rapes someone?
No reason at all? Do you think he/she was just bored and decided to go outside and rape someone?
There is a reason behind everything, and that's why we do research on the guy; to find out that reason.

It's somewhat contradictory to say that we could never get a definite answer then saying we can do research to find the reason. And even if a reason was found, why should it warranty freedom? How would that make the victim feel? There are already enough women who don't report rape as they feel they won't be believed. If rapists get off scotfree cuz of upbringing, we'd see a drastic fall in rape statistics - not because rapists have stopped raping, but because people have lost faith in the justice system and simply stopped reporting rapes.

I have met a guy who takes it as a joke and talks about rape/sex a lot of the time. And guess what? His parents separated when he was young, he's had a pretty harsh life, and some other personal stuff that I'm not going to say on this forum

He too should be castrated if he commits the crime.

 

[Ali.]

Does your friend know that rape is wrong?

Yes I suppose so.

 

[crayon]

But then if someone knows it's wrong, and la samaha Allah, they rape someone someday, knowing 100% that it is wrong, should they not be punished?

"No reason at all? Do you think he/she was just bored and decided to go outside and rape someone?
There is a reason behind everything, and that's why we do research on the guy; to find out that reason."

Someone murders their wife because they discovered she was cheating on him. That's his reason. Should he be tried any differently than someone who killed with no reason/a different reason?

 

[Ali.]

But then if someone knows it's wrong, and la samaha Allah, they rape someone someday, knowing 100% that it is wrong, should they not be punished?

QUOTE]

Put it this way - he's heard it's wrong, somewhere deep down he knows it's wrong - but he thinks it's OK since everybody talks about it, he got caught up in the wrong group of friends who also talk to him about it and how "amazing" it would be.

Sorry if that doesn't make sense I'm in a bit of a rush.

 

[crayon]

But then if someone knows it's wrong, and la samaha Allah, they rape someone someday, knowing 100% that it is wrong, should they not be punished?

QUOTE]

Put it this way - he's heard it's wrong, somewhere deep down he knows it's wrong - but he thinks it's OK since everybody talks about it, he got caught up in the wrong group of friends who also talk to him about it and how "amazing" it would be.

Sorry if that doesn't make sense I'm in a bit of a rush.

No, it does make sense, I think I finally get what you mean. It's a reason, but not an excuse.
ie it doesn't justify rape, but gives a possible cause of it.

 

[.:abs:.]

Castrate the animals if proven 100% guilty.

 

[Snowflake]

^ yeh! and then deported to wherever they came from. It's sickening when anyone commits rape but as a muslim I'm even more sickened when the offender is a muslim! Kick them out! There's no better deterrent.

 

[Souljette]

Rape is done bcuz of power...men feel they are powerful and so do dis...i don't know how sum ppl can think it's right with evrythng saying it's rong but i don't blame them fi they think it's right for a short period of time as this culd b according to conditioning..Benefit of the doubt only shuld b given accordin to the mental state...the easiest way for muslims..is goin by the Islamic Law

 

[Snowflake]

mental state will be shocked to normal when threatened with castration and deportation

and power isn't the only reason for rape - sometimes it's pure lust

 

[Azy]

mental state will be shocked to normal when threatened with castration and deportation

This doesn't really work though, look at all the countries with execution and amputation as punishments, there is still a lot of crime. People just don't think they're going to get caught.

 

[islamirama]

This might sound ridiculous to some of you; but I think a few years in prison will do it if it's their first offense. A few years is plenty of time to reflect upon your actions. If it's their second offense or rape, I'd probably want them to have a bit longer in prison and get somebody to talk to them about it and convince them it's wrong. Third time; umm...life imprisonment maybe, but that's a big one.

Try telling that to the victim....


in Islam, the punishment for rape is death and rightly so!

 

[crayon]

GREENSBURG, Pa. -- An 18-year-old Greensburg man has been charged with raping a baby who police said was left in his care.

Police said Scott Wade Smith raped his girlfriend's 5-month-old girl Friday morning at a home in the 500 block of Highland Avenue, where several people, including the infant's mother, were living.

Authorities said the infant suffered severe injuries and was flown to Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh, where surgery was performed.
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Police said the girl was crying so hard she nearly stopped breathing.

According to police, Smith made a story about the baby choking on a crayon, but paramedics didn't find anything in her throat. So, they decided to take her to Westmoreland Hospital, which is where doctors found blood inside her diaper.

"Doctors immediately notified Greensburg police, who headed to the house with a search warrant," said Capt. George Seranko of the Greensburg Police Department.

There, police said they found a blood-soaked towel in a box in Smith's bedroom, along with four red-stained baby wipes.

The mother was in class at her high school when the alleged attack occurred, police said.

Smith was charged with five felonies, including rape of a child, causing seriously bodily injury, involuntary deviate sexual intercourse and endangering the welfare of children. He is being held at the Westmoreland County Prison on $1 million bail.

Police said rape of a child with serious bodily injury under the age of 13 is punishable by life in prison, and they are asking the district attorney to push for that sentence.

A preliminary hearing is scheduled for Thursday. It's unknown whether Smith has a lawyer yet.

I was going to post this in a new thread, but since it's somewhat related, I'm just posting it here. Sick ****.

 

[truemuslim]

ppl get really stupid wit this.. like they kill the actual girl/women who didnt do nothin, as if they had a choice, and leave the criminal alone... if i got to choose, and this happened to someone i kno, i would go whup dem asses and do wut my bro wants to happen to 50 cent, he said this "I hope he gets shot a couple more times and this time he dies slooowly and has a long slow tortous death..." and then started describing how to torture him which i wont post here coz its extremely sick, almost as sick as the final destination movies...i cant believe i actually CHOSE to watch the whole third one..omg its sickkkk

 

[Umu 'Isa]

I was going to post this in a new thread, but since it's somewhat related, I'm just posting it here. Sick ****.

Oh my God! That is horrible!! what goes through these peoples mind!!! imsad.. That man deserves to die a slow and painful death. Poor baby

 

[kwolney01]

Like many others I think they should be punished according to the Islamic law. I think they give them too many chances. They ruined someones life they shouldn't get a second chance to ruin someone elses.