What would you say to people who may ask a question "Is Islam peaceful religion at all?"
Here is something that I have learned about Islam.
Telling a lie is accebtable in Islam, if it protects person himself, keeps peace among family or ecpecially protects Islam. A muslim can tell a lie to another muslim too and a muslim man can tell a lie to his wife ("A tagiya"). Even Mohammed himself order to lie in Quran.
When Islam meets with defeat, they can make a a peace ("hudna"). If Islam is winning, there is no place for "hudna". You can find these two cases from Quran. It sounds peculiar, isn't it?
When you read Quran (a bundle of orders), it is said clearly: If it is necessary, Islam must be brought to everywhere on earth with outrage. People who defends Islam being a peaceful religion always talks about writings that talk about time of Mecca. In Mecca Mohammed was weak and was gathering others. Mohammed hadn't a chance to take the risk of being violent. He needed a lot of supporters. Who would have supported a violent religion? Well, Islam is not only religion it's also way to rule.
Time of Mecca was peaceful, but when Mohammed became a leader, laws of Medina became above all! If there is possibility for interpretation in Quran, law of Medina is above the other law. Peaceful verses were overruled by laws of Medina. ("mansukh")
Are there any moral laws in Islam at all?
If other than muslim doesn't approve of Islamic rules (Quran), you have to fight against them. There are no place for friends ("auliya") If you take other than muslim for your "auliya", you become also similar.
Muslims have to fight to get Islam in power. If there are muslims who tend to be peaceful and moderate, they have to deny Quran and they become like others (than muslims). Only way to act like this is to leave Islam. Otherwise you need to obey Quran, words of Mohammed (or Allah).
"In west, facade of muslim fundamendalism is religion of peace, because they are waiting more muslim immigrants: increasing number and increasing political strenght. When this happens, be aware!" (Walid Shoevat, former muslim, present christian)
How peaceful is Islam? Are you only being polite for non-muslims and waiting to get enough strenght to start "Holy War"? Or do you think that Islam is one among other religion and everybody can believe in what ever - you don't mind it?
If someone would give an order "start Holy War" now, what would you do? Watching beside and seeing what happens? Taking a part of war helping muslim to win a war or non-muslim to end the war?
It is actually very interesting. Every laws, rules and orders, that Mohammed said on Medina, are very violent and those laws are above others. When Islam was born it was tied into goverment and it is not kept only as religion but it is also being part of community. Some groups in Islam keep jihad as physical jihad, some keep it only as mental jihad - battle inside person itself.
I saw a sad document where only 12yo kid was prepared to be a martyr. The kid was brainwashed totally, he said he remember Quran entirely. When kid asked a question will he get every toys on paradise, father said "Of course, what ever you want!" I only wonder if the kid was even realizing the whole situation.
The whole text above sounds quite negative, but this is often the case, when you talk about Islam with non-muslim. But on the other hand media and politicians are making a picture of peaceful Islam stepping into modern world. This is the correct way to introduce it. But how tolerant and modern is Islam? They are lots of muslims who have left Islam, because they kept it as a violent religion that doesn't fit nowadays world.
I haven't lived among muslims so I have no subjective experiences of Islam. Only knowledge I have learned from several books and so on (including Quran). I haven't study Islam for years like I was studying bible from perspective of Jehovah's witness or studying Christianity from perspective being an christian and so on.
So, I would like to hear what nowadays muslims think about Islam. Of course this will be a view of modern muslim, who is capable of using internet and so on...
Here is something that I have learned about Islam.
Telling a lie is accebtable in Islam, if it protects person himself, keeps peace among family or ecpecially protects Islam. A muslim can tell a lie to another muslim too and a muslim man can tell a lie to his wife ("A tagiya"). Even Mohammed himself order to lie in Quran.
When Islam meets with defeat, they can make a a peace ("hudna"). If Islam is winning, there is no place for "hudna". You can find these two cases from Quran. It sounds peculiar, isn't it?
When you read Quran (a bundle of orders), it is said clearly: If it is necessary, Islam must be brought to everywhere on earth with outrage. People who defends Islam being a peaceful religion always talks about writings that talk about time of Mecca. In Mecca Mohammed was weak and was gathering others. Mohammed hadn't a chance to take the risk of being violent. He needed a lot of supporters. Who would have supported a violent religion? Well, Islam is not only religion it's also way to rule.
Time of Mecca was peaceful, but when Mohammed became a leader, laws of Medina became above all! If there is possibility for interpretation in Quran, law of Medina is above the other law. Peaceful verses were overruled by laws of Medina. ("mansukh")
Are there any moral laws in Islam at all?
If other than muslim doesn't approve of Islamic rules (Quran), you have to fight against them. There are no place for friends ("auliya") If you take other than muslim for your "auliya", you become also similar.
Muslims have to fight to get Islam in power. If there are muslims who tend to be peaceful and moderate, they have to deny Quran and they become like others (than muslims). Only way to act like this is to leave Islam. Otherwise you need to obey Quran, words of Mohammed (or Allah).
"In west, facade of muslim fundamendalism is religion of peace, because they are waiting more muslim immigrants: increasing number and increasing political strenght. When this happens, be aware!" (Walid Shoevat, former muslim, present christian)
How peaceful is Islam? Are you only being polite for non-muslims and waiting to get enough strenght to start "Holy War"? Or do you think that Islam is one among other religion and everybody can believe in what ever - you don't mind it?
If someone would give an order "start Holy War" now, what would you do? Watching beside and seeing what happens? Taking a part of war helping muslim to win a war or non-muslim to end the war?
It is actually very interesting. Every laws, rules and orders, that Mohammed said on Medina, are very violent and those laws are above others. When Islam was born it was tied into goverment and it is not kept only as religion but it is also being part of community. Some groups in Islam keep jihad as physical jihad, some keep it only as mental jihad - battle inside person itself.
I saw a sad document where only 12yo kid was prepared to be a martyr. The kid was brainwashed totally, he said he remember Quran entirely. When kid asked a question will he get every toys on paradise, father said "Of course, what ever you want!" I only wonder if the kid was even realizing the whole situation.
The whole text above sounds quite negative, but this is often the case, when you talk about Islam with non-muslim. But on the other hand media and politicians are making a picture of peaceful Islam stepping into modern world. This is the correct way to introduce it. But how tolerant and modern is Islam? They are lots of muslims who have left Islam, because they kept it as a violent religion that doesn't fit nowadays world.
I haven't lived among muslims so I have no subjective experiences of Islam. Only knowledge I have learned from several books and so on (including Quran). I haven't study Islam for years like I was studying bible from perspective of Jehovah's witness or studying Christianity from perspective being an christian and so on.
So, I would like to hear what nowadays muslims think about Islam. Of course this will be a view of modern muslim, who is capable of using internet and so on...
