Canadian teenager cries in Guantanamo interrogation video

[Ninth_Scribe]

That may be fine if the "boys" weren't involved in the deaths of U.S. soldiers. Once they cross that line they cannot simply be released with a pat on the back and a Coca-Cola. Don't kill them unless you have no other choice, but it isn't very smart to simply let them go either.

Ah, but you don't actually know what they Iraqi boys are responsible for. You're just assuming the operation they were caught in was their first. Let's be real here. There is most definately a contradiction. A picking and choosing based on what testimony (and I use that term loosely) is usable and which isn't. The situation for the Afghan boy isn't any different in nature from the Iraqi boys, but the rule of law was bent for one and not the other. Funny how that works out, but it's not your problem... it's mine, and I'll deal with it.

The Ninth Scribe

 

[Keltoi]

Ah, but you don't actually know what they Iraqi boys are responsible for. You're just assuming the operation they were caught in was their first. Let's be real here. There is most definately a contradiction. A picking and choosing based on what testimony (and I use that term loosely) is usable and which isn't. The situation for the Afghan boy isn't any different in nature from the Iraqi boys, but the rule of law was bent for one and not the other. Funny how that works out, but it's not your problem... it's mine, and I'll deal with it.

The Ninth Scribe

Yeah ok, you deal with it.

 

[smartcard]

There is law in Gitmo. Many detainees have been released even recently. The military tribunals are being very strict on rules of evidence. Most of those kept at Gitmo these days are the worst of the worst. People like Khalid Sheik Mohammed.

Which law and court you are talking about. Under which legal law one can detain for six years without any trial?

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Which law and court you are talking about. Under which legal law one can detain for six years without any trial?

You're nuts if you think he can actually name one. The courts are secret and the names of those in charge are classified. In fact, Bush classifies everything that could cause his administration problems... he even classified the employee records of several "civilian" contractor firms via his sweetie in the State Department, Condoleeza Rice!

The Ninth Scribe

 

[Izyan]

How do you know this boy wasn't lured too? Because he was caught with a gun? So were the two Iraqi boys! Yes, it's related. You can't say one is guilty without condemning them all. There is no picking and choosing between favorites. A boy is a boy. If he's considered fair game, they ALL are. Otherwise the statements contradict themselves... and you know me... I hate contradictions. I hate them in holy law and I hate them in military statistics.

The Ninth Scribe

Is he considered a boy in Islam?

 

[Izyan]

You're nuts if you think he can actually name one. The courts are secret and the names of those in charge are classified. In fact, Bush classifies everything that could cause his administration problems... he even classified the employee records of several "civilian" contractor firms via his sweetie in the State Department, Condoleeza Rice!

The Ninth Scribe

To protect themselves and their family. Do you know how many lawsuits and physical attacks they would endure if their names were a part of public record?

 

[Fishman]

If he is innocent he should be sent home, if he is guilty he is a child soldier and should be treated as other child soldiers are treated, ie. rehabilitated humanely. Either way he shouldn't be staying in an illegal torture centre that only exists because of the huge field of landmines that surrounds it. Guantamano Bay should be given over to Castro. I bet even he has a better justice system than this.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

To protect themselves and their family. Do you know how many lawsuits and physical attacks they would endure if their names were a part of public record?

Oh give me a break! They don't want the names published because it would change the death count Bush tricked the American public into believing and it would open the doors of investigation into several claims made by the U.S. military in Iraq. Then, of course, there is my personal favorite... Nick Berg. Bush made quite a display, describing him as this poor kid, just a civilian telecommunications specialist fresh out of college who only went to Iraq to look for some work. BS! And, if what you say is true, why on earth would they need to protect the life of a DEAD guy? They don't. His record is classified to protect something else.

The Ninth Scribe

 

[Keltoi]

If he is innocent he should be sent home, if he is guilty he is a child soldier and should be treated as other child soldiers are treated, ie. rehabilitated humanely. Either way he shouldn't be staying in an illegal torture centre that only exists because of the huge field of landmines that surrounds it. Guantamano Bay should be given over to Castro. I bet even he has a better justice system than this.

Illegal according to who? And while I'm sure you are just being sarcastically dramatic, there has been no evidence of torture at Gitmo. Plenty of accusations from former detainees, but nothing the Red Cross or any other humanitarian body who has been given access to Gitmo can collaborate. Gitmo is one of those places were fact and fiction don't really matter, it is a symbol now. Would the detainees like it better in Pelican Bay? Maybe Leavenworth? The conditions at those public American prisons would make Gitmo feel like a resort and casino.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Absolutely. He was captured on a battlefield in Afghanistan after killing a medic...where else should he be? He should be thankful he isn't dead. More than likely he will be released to Canadian custody and will probably be able to return to society in 10 or 20 years.

Didn't I hear about a month ago something about him maybe not being the one who killed that soldier? Has he had any sort of trial yet? We surely can't conclude he killed that medic without any evidence of that.

 

[Izyan]

Didn't I hear about a month ago something about him maybe not being the one who killed that soldier? Has he had any sort of trial yet? We surely can't conclude he killed that medic without any evidence of that.

They've tried to have his trial 3 times but can't until his lawyers finish their appeals to the US Supreme Court and the Canadian Courts.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Absolutely. He was captured on a battlefield in Afghanistan after killing a medic...where else should he be? He should be thankful he isn't dead. More than likely he will be released to Canadian custody and will probably be able to return to society in 10 or 20 years.

He should be THANKFUL he isn't dead? Have you even bothered to READ the statements made by those who were released from Gitmo? They most certainly wished they were killed and quite a number of them couldn't even think about having a life after their experience there. Their hatred for America became so cemented, all they could dream about was how to kill themselves and any Americans they could take with them, just like Abu Saleh al Ajmi.

Military documents previously released to AP show that al-Ajmi was "constantly in trouble" while in Guantanamo and held in disciplinary blocks during his detention. He also allegedly told officials in August 2004 that "he now is a jihadist, an enemy combatant, and that he will kill as many Americans as he possibly can." Tom Wilner, a lawyer who represented Kuwaiti prisoners at Guantanamo, said al-Ajmi had a broken arm during one of their meetings at the base in Cuba and that he alleged he had been injured by guards who interrupted him while he prayed.

Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/07/iraq/main4077969.shtml

I have reports on American prisons that would make your head spin, and these prisons have over-sight. Gitmo doesn't so even if I just double the events, types and numbers ~ it's pretty disgusting!

The Ninth Scribe

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Didn't I hear about a month ago something about him maybe not being the one who killed that soldier? Has he had any sort of trial yet? We surely can't conclude he killed that medic without any evidence of that.

They charged him with it, as they did the others who were taken. They don't know for certain who did it, but the charge is enough to hold them all.

The Ninth Scribe

 

[Fishman]

Illegal according to who?

Illegal according to the people who say you can't be held prisoner without trial!

As for 'no evidence for torture', what is waterboarding then? What is chaining people to the floor in painful positions?

 

[S_87]

Seeing that he's a Canadian citizen with no connection to Afghanistan, what was he doing there? A fair trial? How much of a trial was Daniel Pearl or Nick Berg Afforded. Under the Geneva Convictions he could have been executed on the spot as an enemy combatant. Don't blame the US for his predicament blame his nutty parents.

'his nutty parents' for what?

whatd he do, invade a country and kill a load of people? Who are the terrorists here?
what has he and all those people in guatanamo there for? what is their crime? where is the proof against them? do the terrorists who are keeping them there even know why they are there? Do they deserve to be tortured? Do they deserve to be treated worse than animals?

 

[Izyan]

'his nutty parents' for what?

For filling his head with nonsense and sending him to a warzone in Afghanistan.

 

[Fishman]

'his nutty parents' for what?

Being friends with Bin Laden and going to Afganistan to help al-Qaeda. They are at fault, he's just a child soldier who got caught up in it. The Americans are also at fault for keeping him in Gitmo and abusing him rather than realising the fact that he's been 'brainwashed' and needs help.

 

[Cabdullahi]

For filling his head with nonsense and sending him to a warzone in Afghanistan.[/QUOTE

I dont know why he was there,Izyan you,yourself dont know why his family took him there and nor does fishman know, we are told by the media that he went there to fight,ok if he did go and kill a soldier that came and took over the country with no legitimate basis then mashallah ,allah will liberate him and afghanistan inshallah because america is in no position to invade iraq and afghansitan and they are in no position to take any kid they want and torture them

 

[S_87]

For filling his head with nonsense and sending him to a warzone in Afghanistan.

and are you sure they did that? because had there actually been proof of that, they wouldnt be at home but would have been arrested and put under trial!

 

[S_87]

Being friends with Bin Laden and going to Afganistan to help al-Qaeda. They are at fault, he's just a child soldier who got caught up in it. The Americans are also at fault for keeping him in Gitmo and abusing him rather than realising the fact that he's been 'brainwashed' and needs help.

And do you have proof his parents were friends with bin laden and sent him to help al qaeda? refer to my post above