Channel 4's 'Undercover Mosque' returns

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Below is Khalid Yasins response to this after they had contacted him that they will broadcast him on their channel:









14/08/08

Dear Mr. Smith:

I am replying to you only as a courtesy, and not because I am concerned about your intended broadcast. I expect, in fact, I am certain, that your intended broadcast, will contain the usual anti-Islamic rhetoric and soundbites that are designed to provoke an already conditioned public into a fear about the Islamic system, and a fear and contempt for Muslims in general.

As for the constant use of the words "intolerant" and "extremism", I think that you, and your colleagues at Channel 4, or HardCash Productions, have been indelibly and consistently exhibiting the most vehement and malicious religious intolerance and journalistic extremism, of nearly anyone in the entire television industry of the United Kingdom!

Not only are you inaccurate, but you are scandalous, unethical and merchants of jounalistic vomit. Your motives are not morally driven, nor aimed at the intellectualization of your viewers. Rather, you are resorting to the use of cheap sensational journalism, to exploit an unaware and pre-conditioned public, in order to make the "bottom line" profit that sustains your "Channel 4 - HardCore" vomit factory.

Your allegations of my statements on a DVD, titled "Building a Muslim Community", and I must say allegations, because, in every lecture, writing, or communication of any kind, there is something called the "context", which can only be appreciated when someone objectively, sincerely, and intellectually, forms an opinion, after making a comprehensive and thorough examination.

I want to remind you, that capital punishment, including, but limited to: decapitation, lethal injection, firing squad, gas chamber, electrocution, and hanging by the neck, has been, and is still resorted to by Governments and States throughout the modern world as both a punishment and a deterrent for criminal behavior in the society. It is not a practice limited to Muslim countries, whether past or present.

Whatever statements I made in that lecture was aimed at reforming the Muslim people, the Muslim society, and the Muslim world, to know that Islam is not merely a system of religious rituals and theological observances, but is a comprehensive system of Law and Justice, legislated by Almighty
God, and adjudicated by the Sovereign Islamic State, when there exists such a state.

Due to historically documented conspiracies between criminal Muslim States and the immoral empirical ambitions of countries like Great Britain (as the United Kingdom was referred to at that time) and the United States of America, the legitimate ambition to have and sustain a Sovereign Islamic State in the world, has been almost completely annihilated and in most Muslim countries today, criminalized.

If you call yourselves educating and alarming the UK society about radical, Saudi-based intolerance and extremism, why are you using my alleged words "to Muslims", "about Muslims" and the reformation and development of their countries and societies, to make your *******ized point? I have visited Saudi Arabia for
Hajj and Umrah, and yes, I have learned some Arabic there, but does that make me a purveyor of what you characterize for your illicit media purposes as a "Saudi - based theology based upon intolerance, separatism, and extremism?

Suppose you or some other "good Christian visited Ireland, and studied their language, would that itself an indictment of your support for what used to be at one time, the very criminal, intolerant, separatist, and
extremist Irish Republican Army? Of couse not! So why the double and blatantly hypocritical standards? I am not, and have never been a supporter or a promoter of Saudi Arabian government policy or
religious rhetoric, and most objective intellectuals in the world of multi-media would know that, except you and your ignorant Islamophobic colleagues.

As for the alleged promise of the bookstore in the Islamic Cultural Centre at the Regents Park Mosque, to stop selling my DVD's based upon your now very infamous "Dispatches Series", titled: "Undercover Mosques", if they made such a promise,(which I have no evidence that they did) that would have been very shameful, cowardly, unIslamic, and unconstitutional!

Firstly, because that bookstore is privately owned, and secondly, because it is the constitutional right of every person in a free and democratic society like the United Kingdom, to express any view they wish, so long as it is not politically seditious, inciting hatred, promoting violence, maligning or attacking any lifestyle or religion, or seeking to commit or conspire to commit, any act of terrorism. I can say without the least
reservation - I have never, and will never knowingly support or advocate any such behavior!

Why doesn't "Channel 4, and your HardCore", "Hard4Cash" Group, collaborate and review some of the hundreds of magazines and periodicals that are sold on newstands and bookstores all over the United Kingdom and Europe, promoting and endorsing, pornography, gambling, pedophilia, bestiality, violent sports, mercenary activities, bigotry, and other forms of unsocial behaviors? Why... because, the simple fact is that it freedom of speech, even though most of it is clearly immoral and socially destructive!

You and your colleagues are not only hypocritical and exploitive bigots, you are audacious liars and opportunistic media vermin, who have never allowed anyone whom you attack, the chance to respond on your actual television platform, which is the subject of my concluding remarks. You has cleverly invited me to respond in writing, to what you will be broadcasting by television. What you don't say, is that you will pick and choose from even that written response, to try to find further flaws and ammunition for your "stealth attack" and character assassination!

It doesn't really matter, what part you choose to mutilate, the response in it's entirety will be broadcast on seventeen television platforms around the world, and made available to hundreds of magazines and periodicals, for their comparison edification. I will utilize my relationship with these media platforms to counter your evil intent.

In addition to that, I am challenging "Channel 4 and Hard4Cash (or HardCore) Ltd. to an unedited open-ended interview, to discuss my views and responses to their media productions, past and present! If you do not accept, hundreds of millions viewers will be aware of your one-sided, prejudicial campaigns against Islam and Muslims!

I await your response, whatever it may be...

Shaykh Khalid Yasin

Chairman
Purpose Media Group
 
Greetings,

Shaykh Khalid Yasin is certainly a character, isn't he?

The bit about the 'vomit factory' made me laugh.

Some people would probably call this joker a "scholar". Remarkable, really.

Peace
 
Well I think this is a good place to ask everyone.

In a mainstream mosque, do your speakers say "Kill the Homosexual" "Kill the infidel" "Islam will reign supreme" "Shun the Kuffar"?

Is this something that is a regular feature or that ever features in any mosque you have been in?
 
Greetings,

Shaykh Khalid Yasin is certainly a character, isn't he?

The bit about the 'vomit factory' made me laugh.

Some people would probably call this joker a "scholar". Remarkable, really.

Peace

Shakyh Khalid Yasin is a great peaceful scholar. I watched the first undercover mosque majority of what the shakyh said was taken out of context.
 
Well I think this is a good place to ask everyone.

In a mainstream mosque, do your speakers say "Kill the Homosexual" "Kill the infidel" "Islam will reign supreme" "Shun the Kuffar"?

Is this something that is a regular feature or that ever features in any mosque you have been in?

The mosque I go to is open. So anythings goes Imams from extremist to modernist and all in between can speak. I personally never heard any of the Imams call out for murder of anyone. The mosque I go to is probably the most diverse mosque.
 
Well I think this is a good place to ask everyone.

In a mainstream mosque, do your speakers say "Kill the Homosexual" "Kill the infidel" "Islam will reign supreme" "Shun the Kuffar"?

Is this something that is a regular feature or that ever features in any mosque you have been in?
I visit 3 different mosques in Leicester; in all the times I have been to those three, nothing of the like of ''Shun the kuffar'', ''Kill the homosexual'', ''kill the infidel'' etc has been stated. Often, the issues that ARE raised in the mosques that I visit are: follow Islam, Pray, Do charity, Love the Prophet etc etc. Sometimes, they are repeated!
 
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Greetings,

Osman said:
They already did that though. Why are they doing it again?
To show that it's still going on.
Dispatches has raised serious issues on several different topics throughout the course of it's series. Do you feel that they should also do follow-ups on these episodes to show that the issues are still going on? For example, there was an episode called Sandwiches Unwrapped which showed that there were serious violations of the law taking place in the sandwich making industry which poses a health risk to consumers.

Regards
 
Well I think this is a good place to ask everyone.

In a mainstream mosque, do your speakers say "Kill the Homosexual" "Kill the infidel" "Islam will reign supreme" "Shun the Kuffar"?

Is this something that is a regular feature or that ever features in any mosque you have been in?

At my local mosque, the Imaam does sermons in urdu/punjabi or something so I don't really have a clue what he is saying. He speaks some English though and he's a really nice chap so I doubt he is preaching extreme messages at the Friday sermons.
 
Greetings,

Dispatches has raised serious issues on several different topics throughout the course of it's series. Do you feel that they should also do follow-ups on these episodes to show that the issues are still going on? For example, there was an episode called Sandwiches Unwrapped which showed that there were serious violations of the law taking place in the sandwich making industry which poses a health risk to consumers.

Regards

Perhaps it's really all about the ratings. They are a business after all. I doubt people will tune in to watch concerns about sandwiches. Kind of hard to gauge what their purpose is really.
 
Just as a sidenote, I visited a mosque in Springfield, Missouri this weekend. Not to worship obviously. The people were very friendly and I felt welcome there. It is called the Shine Mosque, for any who happen to visit that area. Good experience for me. It is a shame if some mosques ruin the image for the rest.
 
another message from khalid yasins website



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Dear Hardcash production,

I, the undersigned, call on hardcash production, to cease and desist your continuous development of Islamophobic and Xenophobic programmes. Furthermore I demand that hardcash production broadcast a Live and unedited interview with Shaykh Khalid Yasin, where you can pose these allegations directly to the Shaykh and allow him the opportunity to respond in an appropriate and fair manner.

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Only together as a muslim mass can we act as an authority and demand our voice to be heard.

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Waleikum salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu
 
As for the constant use of the words "intolerant" and "extremism", I think that you, and your colleagues at Channel 4, or HardCash Productions, have been indelibly and consistently exhibiting the most vehement and malicious religious intolerance and journalistic extremism, of nearly anyone in the entire television industry of the United Kingdom!

With regards to hatred and violence, peace and tolerance, I can find on the net, many lists of verses from the Qur'an supporting hatred and violence, I accept that much of this has been posted by those who are no friend to Islam, I am unable to find similar studies producing lists of sura verses advocating peace and tolerance (to non Muslims); could anybody point me to them or list for me the sura and verse number of verses promoting peace and tolerance to non Muslims?
 
With regards to hatred and violence, peace and tolerance, I can find on the net, many lists of verses from the Qur'an supporting hatred and violence, I accept that much of this has been posted by those who are no friend to Islam, I am unable to find similar studies producing lists of sura verses advocating peace and tolerance (to non Muslims); could anybody point me to them or list for me the sura and verse number of verses promoting peace and tolerance to non Muslims?

That is a topic in and of itself. I would recommend creating a new thread about that so we may all discuss it properly.
 
Originally Posted by Thinker
With regards to hatred and violence, peace and tolerance, I can find on the net, many lists of verses from the Qur'an supporting hatred and violence, I accept that much of this has been posted by those who are no friend to Islam, I am unable to find similar studies producing lists of sura verses advocating peace and tolerance (to non Muslims); could anybody point me to them or list for me the sura and verse number of verses promoting peace and tolerance to non Muslims?

That is a topic in and of itself. I would recommend creating a new thread about that so we may all discuss it properly.

I am happy to start a new thread with this question but I do think this thread is an appropriate place for it – why?

To start with you have to make some allowances for me being knew to a lot of this (I’m not stupid just knew). I have read a lot of stuff and learnt of lot but there are still a lot of holes in my knowledge and a lot of stuff in my head based upon presumptions which are based upon stuff picked up over time. For example I can recall the question of radical preachers like Izzadeen and Hamza being discussed on TV and the suggestion made that radical Imam’s preaching in Mosques should be replaced by Imam’s preaching peace and tolerance. And, I further presume that someone somewhere, with an in depth understanding of Islamic literature has produced all the arguments with all the evidence to counter the teachings of preachers like Izzadeen and Hamza. Again, I presume from that I have read here that this TV programme (and I didn’t see the earlier one) will show an Imam preaching hatred and again I presume that he will support his preachings with evidence from Islamic literature. So I am presuming that somewhere there are all the counter arguments to the radicals with all the supporting evidence and I’d justy like a pointer to where I can find it - where is it? (Phew – a lot of presumptions in there!!)
 
In my search for evidence of tolerance and accomodation in Islam I have read through a 'Sticky' post tiled Myths of Intolerenace in Islam. That post does not allow me the facility to reply to it so I post my question/observation here. . . . . . .

You say . . . .

Sura 2:256, God declares: "There is no compulsion in religion..."

My copy of the Qur’an says . . . .

Sura 2:256. Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things.

Sura 2:257. God is the Protector of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness He will lead them forth into light. Of those who reject faith the patrons are the evil ones: from light they will lead them forth into the depths of darkness. They will be companions of the fire, to dwell therein (For ever).

The difference is that there’s no compulsion but if you don’t you’ll fry in hell.

You say . . . .

Sura 3:19. "But if they dispute with thee, say: I submit myself entirely to God and (so does) he who follows me, and say to those who have been given the Book and the unlearned (people): Do you submit yourselves? If they submit, then indeed they follow the right way; and if they turn back, thy duty is only to deliver the message..."

My copy of the Qur’an says . . . .

Sura 3:19. The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account

Sura 3:20. So if they dispute with thee, say: "I have submitted My whole self to Allah and so have those who follow me." And say to the People of the Book and to those who are unlearned: "Do ye (also) submit yourselves?" If they do, they are in right guidance, but if they turn back, Thy duty is to convey the Message; and in Allah.s sight are (all) His servants.

The subtle word in you version of ‘only’ is left out in my version so that my version could be read as a compulsion to convert.

Finally if there is no ‘compulsion in religion’ what about apostates is there no compulsion in religion when it comes to them? . . . .

Sura 9:12. But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and taunt you for your Faith,- fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained.

Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.

Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 58:
Abu Musa said, "I came to the Prophet along with two men (from the tribe) of Ash'ariyin, one on my right and the other on my left, while Allah's Apostle was brushing his teeth (with a Siwak), and both men asked him for some employment. The Prophet said, 'O Abu Musa (O 'Abdullah bin Qais!).' I said, 'By Him Who sent you with the Truth, these two men did not tell me what was in their hearts and I did not feel (realize) that they were seeking employment.' As if I were looking now at his Siwak being drawn to a corner under his lips, and he said, 'We never (or, we do not) appoint for our affairs anyone who seeks to be employed. But O Abu Musa! (or 'Abdullah bin Qais!) Go to Yemen.'" The Prophet then sent Mu'adh bin Jabal after him and when Mu'adh reached him, he spread out a cushion for him and requested him to get down (and sit on the cushion). Behold: There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Muisa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers and one of us said, 'I pray and sleep, and I hope that Allah will reward me for my sleep as well as for my prayers.”
 
That sort of question probably needs to be posted in Comparative Religion. There is a "Questions about Islam" thread there that might be appropriate.
 
It seems as though the programme is going to air during Ramadhan.
 
Undercover Mosque: The Return

Broadcast: Monday 01 September 2008 08:00 PM

A year-and-a-half after the critically-acclaimed film Undercover Mosque was first screened, Dispatches goes undercover again to see whether extremist beliefs continue to be promoted in certain key British Muslim institutions.

The film also investigates the role of the Saudi Arabian religious establishment in spreading a hard-line, fundamentalist Islamic ideology in the UK - the very ideology the Government claims to be tackling.

A female reporter attends prayer meetings at an important British mosque which claims to be dedicated to moderation and dialogue with other faiths. She secretly films shocking sermons given to the women-only congregation in which female preachers recite extremist and intolerant beliefs. As hundreds of women and some children come to pray, a preacher calls for adulterers, homosexuals, women who act like men and Muslim converts to other faiths to be killed, saying: "Kill him, kill him. You have to kill him, you understand. This is Islam."

Worshippers are repeatedly told they must lead separate lives from non-believers and not tolerate other religions. Christian teachings are described as "vile and disgusting, an abomination." And at private, invite-only prayer meetings linked to the mosque, the reporter films the leading preacher from the women's prayer circle issuing strict dictats on women's personal freedoms - decreeing they must not travel far without a male member of the family to escort them, and instructing them not to integrate with British society or work in a non-Islamic environment.

In the same mosque, the reporter visits the bookshop and discovers books and DVDs still on sale, promoting extremist, anti-Semitic, misogynistic and intolerant messages. Unbelievers ('kuffaars') are described in one DVD as: "Evil, wicked, mischievous people - you can see the evil in their face". Whilst Jews, "have abominated, filthy, disgusting gross belief - their time will come like every other evil person's time will come." Moderate Muslims and Islamic academics tell Dispatches they reject and condemn these teachings. Dispatches traces the links between the teachings and materials at the mosque and the Saudi Arabian religious establishment, and examines the extent to which Saudi Arabia exports such teachings around the world through the funding of literature, schools, mosques and other organisations.

Dispatches also interviews a former teacher at a Saudi-run faith school who describes how the official Saudi educational curriculum was taught in the school. He shows Dispatches official Saudi textbooks from the school which featured anti-Semitic and anti-Christian teachings.

As part of the investigation, the undercover reporter also films inside a key Saudi-funded Muslim organisation which claims to promote tolerance and integration yet distributes literature which promotes intolerance for non-Muslims, an extreme version of Sharia law and teachings which support discrimination against women.

The Government claims Saudi Arabia is its partner in tackling extremism, but a former Foreign Office Minister tells Dispatches he believes the Government should take a stronger line. The film also features interviews with Islamic academics who condemn these messages of intolerance and segregation and warn of the impact this version of Islam is having on British society. One imam at a leading university accuses the Saudi religious establishment of the: "distortion of Islam itself, the abuse and misuse of this great faith of mine and not only mine but of my children as well."

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